Nov 04, 2024 City Council

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WELCOME, EVERYBODY.

[A.  Speak Up Program - Matt Davis]

THANK YOU.

TURN THE MICROPHONE ON SO IT TURNS GREEN.

OKAY. PERFECT.

VERY GOOD. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

CHIEF MATT DAVIS WITH COUNCIL BLUFFS POLICE DEPARTMENT.

TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO PROVIDE A QUICK OVERVIEW AND BRIEFING FOR THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC ON THE POTTAWATTAMIE COUNTY THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAM.

AND WHAT'S KIND OF BEEN MARKETED OUT IN THE WORLD AS SPEAK UP, OUR THREAT REPORTING PORTAL.

SO REAL QUICKLY TO GO OVER THE TOPICS OF THE BRIEFING, WE'RE GOING TO COVER WHAT OUR THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAMS, WHO IS PART OF THE POTTAWATTAMIE COUNTY THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAM, WHAT SPEAK UP IS AND THE ROLE THAT IT PLAYS IN THE THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAM.

AND WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? SO REALLY, WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT WHEN WE LOOK AROUND THE COUNTRY AND SEE ACTS OF TARGETED VIOLENCE, MANY OF WHICH INVOLVE OUR SCHOOLS.

IN THE AFTERMATH OF THOSE INCIDENTS, THERE ARE ALWAYS WARNING SIGNS THAT ARE MISSED.

WE SEE THAT IN MICHIGAN.

WE SEE THAT IN MULTIPLE MASS SHOOTINGS AROUND THE COUNTRY, THAT WE HAVE THESE TERRIBLE ACTS OF TARGETED VIOLENCE, AND THEY'RE PREVENTABLE.

THERE'S WARNING SIGNS THAT HAVE GONE, MISSED, UNSANCTIONED, AND EVEN IN THE PRAIRIE SCHOOL SHOOTING IN OUR STATE, IN IOWA, IN THE AFTER ACTION, IN THE FINAL REPORT THAT WAS ISSUED, THERE WERE WARNING SIGNS MISSED.

SO WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO ABOUT THAT? LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS GOTTEN REALLY GOOD AT BEING REACTIVE TO SCHOOL SHOOTINGS AND ACTS OF TARGETED VIOLENCE WITH RESPECT TO SHOOTING DRILLS AT SCHOOLS AND THE TACTICAL TRAINING OF OUR OFFICERS. BUT WE REALLY NEED TO GET IN FRONT OF THIS.

WE NEED TO GET PROACTIVE AND IN KIND OF POLICE JARGON, LEFT OF BANG INSTEAD OF RIGHT OF BANG.

SO WHAT CAN WE DO? BEST PRACTICES HAVE BEEN OUT FOR A WHILE.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

TEAM APPROACHES TO KEEPING POTENTIAL ATTACKERS OFF THE PATHWAY TO VIOLENCE.

THE GOAL OF THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAMS IS TO IDENTIFY AND INTERCEPT THE TRAJECTORY OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE DEMONSTRATING TROUBLING BEHAVIORS.

SO WHAT ARE THE THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAMS? THERE ARE MULTIDISCIPLINARY TEAMS TO SERVE AS PROACTIVE AND PROTECTIVE MEASURES TO PREVENT, NOT NECESSARILY PREDICT.

THERE'S NO CRYSTAL BALLS HERE.

NONE OF US CAN TELL THE FUTURE.

BUT TO PREVENT POTENTIAL ACTS OF TARGETED VIOLENCE, THE AIM IS TO BRING TOGETHER A TEAM OF SPECIALISTS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL TO PROVIDE INDIVIDUALS WITH SUPPORT SERVICES BEFORE BEHAVIORS DEVELOP INTO AN ACTIVE THREAT.

AND THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY GETTING PROACTIVE LEFT OF BANG IN SOME OF THE BEST PRACTICES THAT HAVE BEEN SUMMARIZED ON THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAMS, YOU CAN BASICALLY DISTILL IT DOWN TO THREE STEPS IDENTIFY, ASSESS, AND THEN IMPLEMENT AND MANAGE INTERVENTION STRATEGIES.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE POTTAWATTAMIE COUNTY THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAM ENDEAVORS TO DO.

AND SPEAK UP, AS YOU'LL LEARN ABOUT IN A FEW MOMENTS, IS JUST A REPORTING MECHANISM TO GET CASES FROM THE PUBLIC IN FRONT OF OUR REGIONAL THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAM.

SO THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAMS AREN'T NEW.

LIKE MANY PROFESSIONAL ENDEAVORS, THERE'S AN ASSOCIATION.

THERE'S A CERTIFICATION PROCESS.

THE ASSOCIATION OF THREAT ASSESSMENT PROFESSIONALS WAS FOUNDED WAY BACK IN 1992, SO THIS IS NOTHING NEW.

AT MY OLD AGENCY, WE HANDLED THREAT ASSESSMENTS FROM THREATS AGAINST ELECTED OFFICIALS TO THREATS AGAINST THE PUBLIC TO BROKERING THREATS DOWN FROM THE STATE LEVEL TO THE LOCAL LEVEL. THERE IS AN ATAP CERTIFICATION FOR THREAT MANAGERS.

THERE ARE ONLY CURRENTLY THREE IN THE STATE OF IOWA, ONE IN WEST DES MOINES AND TWO IN IOWA CITY.

THOSE ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAMS DEDICATED TO SPECIFIC EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS.

OUR THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAM IS THE FIRST ONE IN THE STATE OF IOWA THAT IS A MULTIDISCIPLINARY REGIONAL THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAM THAT INCLUDES THE SCHOOLS BUT GOES BEYOND THE SCHOOLS. AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE THE MEMBERS AND THE COMPLEXION OF OUR TEAM.

THE THE THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAMS ARE PROVIDED RESOURCES AND BEST PRACTICES PUBLISHED BY THE NATIONAL THREAT ASSESSMENT CENTER, WHICH IS RUN BY THE SECRET SERVICE, THE FBI, DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.

AND WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT OUR THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAM IS WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THREATS AGAINST OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST SCHOOLS, BUT THREAT AGAINST ELECTED OFFICIALS, THREAT AGAINST EMPLOYERS, ANYTHING THAT THE PUBLIC REPORTS AS TROUBLING BEHAVIOR THAT COULD BE ASSESSED AND MANAGED BY THE THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAM.

SO HOW DID WE GET HERE? IN EARLY 2024, THE CBPD INITIATED DISCUSSIONS WITH SHERIFF BROWN AND THE POTTAWATTAMIE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE ON THE FORMATION OF A TEAM.

THERE WAS BUY IN FROM BOTH OF THOSE AGENCIES.

WE SENT REPRESENTATIVES OVER TO SARPY AND DOUGLAS COUNTY TO SIT IN ON SOME OF THEIR MEETINGS.

THIS IS BEING DONE REGIONALLY.

IT'S BEING DONE ACROSS THE RIVER IN NEBRASKA, AND A LOT OF BEST PRACTICES ARE ALREADY AT PLAY OUT THERE.

SARPY COUNTY HAS BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS PROBABLY THE LONGEST.

THEY WERE ONE OF THE PIONEERS IN THREAT ASSESSMENT AND EARLIER, WE SELECTED WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE SOFTWARE PLATFORM FOR THE INTAKE AND MANAGEMENT OF THREATS.

AND THE FUNDING FOR ALL OF THIS WAS ACTUALLY PROVIDED BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE POTTAWATTAMIE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, PARDON ME, IS PROVIDING THE FUNDS FOR THE SOFTWARE

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THE SPEAK UP PORTION IS ALSO PART OF THE AWAREITY SOFTWARE, AND THERE'S AN INTERPLAY WITH THE STATE.

BUT I'LL SAVE THAT FOR FOR A LATER SLIDE.

SO TO GET ON THE THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAM, THE MEMBERS COMMIT TO CONFIDENTIALITY TRAINING THAT'S PROVIDED BY ATAP AND ACTIVE PARTICIPATION BEFORE MEMBERSHIP IS GRANTED.

AND WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SLIDE IS ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY WHO HAVE TAKEN, RAISED THEIR HAND AND TAKEN THE STEP FORWARD TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAM, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE PD AND I SHOULD PROBABLY PUT IT IN RED.

BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE, THE MOST IMPORTANT AND I WAS VERY, VERY PLEASED WHEN THE POTTAWATTAMIE COUNTY ATTORNEY STEPPED FORWARD AND RAISED HIS HAND TO PUT ONE OF HIS ASSISTANTS IN THE ROOM.

HAVING A COUNTY ATTORNEY IN THE ROOM IS CRITICAL, IN MY EXPERIENCE, BECAUSE YOU WANT LEVER PULLERS IN THIS ROOM.

YOU WANT PEOPLE WHO CAN BRING REMEDIES FROM THEIR RESPECTIVE SILOS, IF YOU WILL.

YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS CAN BRING SUSPENSION AND ALL OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE REMEDIES THAT COME WITH THE SCHOOLS, COURTS AND PROBATION CAN BRING PAROLE, PROBATION, MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES CAN HELP WITH COMMITTALS.

BUT HAVING THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IN THE OFFICE, IF WE COME CLOSE TO CRIMINAL THRESHOLDS, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO CAN, YOU KNOW, SAY, HEY, ISSUE A WARRANT, ISSUE A SEARCH WARRANT.

WE'VE REACHED CRIMINAL THRESHOLDS HERE FOR FOR CERTAIN THREATS.

SO REALLY ALL OF THESE TEAM MEMBERS ARE IMPORTANT.

BUT I REALLY WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, YOU KNOW, MATT WILBUR'S WILLINGNESS TO STEP FORWARD AND TAKE A LEADERSHIP ROLE HERE IS IS CRITICAL.

IN MY FORMER EXPERIENCE MANAGING AT THE STATE LEVEL.

IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, 102 COUNTIES IN ILLINOIS, I THINK 99 IN IOWA, IF I IF I HAVE THE NUMBERS RIGHT, YOU HAVE 99 DIFFERENT PROSECUTORIAL PHILOSOPHIES.

SO HAVING THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE REPRESENTED IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHAT WE WANT TO AVOID AT THE END OF THE DAY IS FOR THESE TEAMS TO BE PAPER TIGERS.

THEY CAN'T BE PAPER TIGERS.

WE CAN'T JUST BE SCRATCHING OUR HEADS AND CLUTCHING OUR PEARLS AND WORRYING ABOUT THESE INDIVIDUALS.

WE HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO CAN, WHO CAN BRING RESOURCES AND REMEDIES TO THE TABLE TO INTERRUPT THESE DANGEROUS TRAJECTORIES.

SO REALLY, IF THESE TEAMS ARE DOING THINGS RIGHT, WE TAKE CONFUSION AND WE TAKE ALL OF THE CONCERNS AND THE NOISE THAT MIGHT BE OUT THERE.

WE FILTER IT THROUGH THE INSIGHT OF ALL OF THESE VARIOUS PERSPECTIVES, AND THEN WE GET ACTIONABLE NEXT STEPS TO TRY TO INTERRUPT INTERRUPT THESE VIOLENT TRAJECTORIES.

SO HOW DOES IT WORK? YOU HEARD ME MENTION SAFE AND SOUND IN THE STATE LEVEL AND SPEAK UP.

AND THE POTTAWATTAMIE COUNTY THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAM MEMBERS, THIS IS HOW THE THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAM IS GOING TO GET THEIR THREATS.

SO YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT SPEAK UP IN SOCIAL MEDIA.

WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF A SOFT LAUNCH AROUND COSTUME NIGHT AND SOME FOOTBALL GAMES TO GET PEOPLE AWARE, AND ASHLEY CRUZ HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN HELPING BRAND THIS AND COMMUNICATE THIS.

SO ALL OF THESE ARE OUTLETS, OR RATHER INTAKE POINTS WHERE THE THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAM CAN GET THEIR THREATS.

NOW, THE STATE, LIKE MANY STATES IOWA, IMPLEMENTED SAFE AND SOUND IN OUR SCHOOLS.

AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO GET THE AWAREITY SOFTWARE.

SO WHEN THE STATE OF IOWA IMPLEMENTED SAFE AND SOUND PROGRAM.

AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT AREN'T FAMILIAR, IT'S A THREAT REPORTING SYSTEM, BUT JUST FOR SCHOOLS.

THE STATE BOUGHT THE REPORTING PART OF THAT SOFTWARE, LIKE THE PORTAL, THE WEB PORTAL WHERE YOU CAN GO REPORT SAFE AND SOUND.

AND THE STATE MAINTAINS THAT WHEN WE GET A SAFE AND SOUND ALERT, IT GOES TO POTTAWATTAMIE COUNTY DISPATCH, IT GOES TO A CBPD COMMAND GROUP, AND THEN WE PUT RESOURCES ON IT, IF IT'S WITHIN THE CITY, THE COUNTY PUTS RESOURCES ON IT, IF IT'S IN THE COUNTY.

BUT IT'S ONLY A REPORTING MECHANISM.

THE STATE ONLY BOUGHT A REPORTING MECHANISM.

THE REAL MEAT OF THE THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAM IS NOT JUST REPORTING, IT'S WHAT GOES ON IN THAT CENTER BOX WITH THE THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAM, AND IT'S THE CASE MANAGEMENT AND THE THREAT MANAGEMENT.

THE AWAREITY SOFTWARE PLATFORM HAS BOTH A REPORTING COMPONENT, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY IT HAS THE CASE MANAGEMENT COMPONENT.

AND I'LL GIVE YOU A VIEW INTO THAT HERE SHORTLY.

SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY FOR THINGS TO BE REPORTED AT THE STATE LEVEL TO GET TO THE TEAM, TO BE REPORTED AT OUR LOCAL SPEAK UP REPORTING PORTAL.

AND THEN REALLY, CANDIDLY, THE MAJORITY OF THE THREATS ARE GOING TO COME FROM OTHER TEAM MEMBERS.

THE SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO BRING US THEIR THREATS.

THE PD IS GOING TO BRING INDIVIDUALS THAT WE ENCOUNTER WITH THREATS.

SO IN LOOKING TO SOME OF THE OTHER TEAMS THAT FUNCTION AROUND THE COUNTRY, IF YOU COULD BREAK THOSE DOWN TO PERCENTAGES, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE ABOUT 70% OF THE THREATS THAT MEET THE CRITERIA TO BE EVALUATED BY THE TEAM ARE GOING TO COME FROM MEMBERS, WITH MAYBE 30% OR LESS COMING FROM THE PUBLIC.

BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE ABILITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE AWARE AND REPORT.

SO WHAT IS SPEAK UP? SPEAK UP IS THE PUBLICLY FACING PORTAL WHERE BOTH ANONYMOUS AND ELECTRONIC.

AND BOTH OF THOSE THINGS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.

I'LL TALK ABOUT THEM IN A MOMENT HERE.

THREATS CAN BE REPORTED TO THE TEAM, AND TO EMPHASIZE SPEAK UP IS FOR EMERGENT OR DEVELOPING THREATS, NOT IMMINENT THREATS.

IF YOU SEE AN INDIVIDUAL, YOU KNOW GOING INTO A SCHOOL PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, WITH A FIREARM OR SOMETHING, THAT'S AN IMMINENT THREAT THAT'S HISTORICALLY ALWAYS GOING TO BE A

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SO REAL QUICK, I WANT TO SHOW YOU WITH LINKS TO THE WEBSITE.

SO ALL OF OUR MARKETING MATERIAL AND EVERYTHING WE'RE PUTTING IN THE PUBLIC THAT GOES TO THE SPEAK UP LANDING PAGE, WE'RE NOT EVEN PUBLISHING THE REPORTING URL DIRECTLY. WE'RE HAVING ALL MARKETING AND MEDIA DIRECT TO FIRST A LANDING PAGE WHERE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING GUIDANCE TO THE PUBLIC.

WHAT IS SPEAK UP? WHAT CAN BE REPORTED? GIVING EXAMPLES OF DIRECT THREATS CONCERNING BEHAVIORS.

WHY TO USE IT? HOW TO REPORT.

OUR MAIN LEAD ON THIS AT THE PD IS SERGEANT MIKE HERNANDEZ.

AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO SUBMIT A REPORT, YOU'LL CLICK TO THE LINK HERE.

AND THIS IS THE SECOND LINK TO THE ACTUAL THE AWAREITY PLATFORM.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE WHAT THE PUBLIC SEES IF THEY CLICK THROUGH TO REPORT A THREAT.

SO YOU CAN IDENTIFY THE LOCATION GROUP AS TO WHERE THIS THREAT IS DIRECTED TOWARDS.

IT COULD BE LAW ENFORCEMENT.

SO WE'LL JUST GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AND WE WORKED WITH ALL OF OUR PARTNERS.

THEY ALL HAD A SAY HERE IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PORTAL.

SO IT'S GOING TO GO TO THE COUNCIL BLUFFS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND IT COULD BE AN INCIDENT TYPE.

AND HERE ARE ALL OF OUR RELATED INCIDENTS.

SO YOU CAN CLICK THROUGH AND THEN IT'S BASIC INFORMATION.

YOU CAN CHOOSE TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS, WHICH IS IMPORTANT IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES.

PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO COME FORWARD.

THEY JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WE EMPHASIZE, SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING, SPEAK UP.

BUT THE OTHER BIG IMPORTANT PART IS, ESPECIALLY IN THIS DAY AND AGE, AS WE'RE ALL PROBABLY AWARE, THE ABILITY TO UPLOAD SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION TO INCLUDE SCREENSHOTS, VIDEOS, ELECTRONIC MEDIA, THINGS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, DEMONSTRATING AND ILLUSTRATING THE THREAT.

SO WHEN YOU HEAR SPEAK UP, THAT IS THE PUBLICLY FACING PORTAL.

IT'S THE VECTOR INTO THE POTTAWATTAMIE COUNTY THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAM.

AND THAT'S A REAL QUICK WALK THROUGH OF BOTH THE LANDING PAGE AND THE REPORTING PAGE.

ONE OF THE THINGS, AND WE LEARNED THIS MOST RECENTLY WITH THE INCIDENT WE HAD IN COUNCIL BLUFFS, PROBABLY ALMOST A LITTLE MORE A MONTH AND CHANGE AGO, WE HAD A BUNCH OF SCHOOL THREAT MISINFORMATION BEING CIRCULATED ONLINE.

IT CAUSED A BUNCH OF OF CONCERN.

HUNDREDS OF KIDS DIDN'T EVEN GO TO SCHOOL THAT DAY.

WE WERE INVESTIGATING IT, RUNNING EVERYTHING TO GROUND.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO EMPHASIZE TO THE PUBLIC, AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS IN SOME OF THE SUBSEQUENT MESSAGING, IS USE SPEAK UP FOR A PLACE TO ALMOST QUARANTINE THESE ONLINE THREATS, DON'T REPOST IT, DON'T RETWEET IT, DON'T FORWARD IT, DON'T SHARE IT, DON'T SPREAD THE MISINFORMATION.

IF YOU WANT TO REPORT IT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOU CAN DO IT ANONYMOUSLY.

YOU CAN REPORT WHO YOU ARE.

SEND US A SCREENSHOT, BUT DON'T MAKE THE PROBLEM WORSE AND CAUSE MORE FEAR BY SPREADING, YOU KNOW, THE MISINFORMATION FAR AND WIDE.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF VERY DELIBERATE MESSAGING ON COMING UP.

NOW TO QUICKLY GET TO THE MEAT OF THE SANDWICH.

THIS IS WHAT THE PUBLIC CAN'T SEE.

THIS IS THE CASE MANAGEMENT COMPONENT BEHIND THE SCENES, REALLY EMPHASIZING THE ASSESSMENT AND THE IMPLEMENTATION AND MANAGEMENT OF INTERVENTION STRATEGY.

ONGOING THREAT MANAGEMENT IS THE CRITICAL TASK.

THIS IS THE MEAT OF THE SANDWICH.

ONCE A MONTH, THE TEAM COMES TOGETHER WITH ALL OF THOSE EXPERTISE'S AT THE TABLE.

AND WE REVIEW THE THREATS.

AND THEY'RE MANAGED, THEY'RE TRACKED, THERE'S ACCOUNTABILITY AS TO WHO TAKES INTAKE.

AND YOU GET ALL OF THOSE PERSPECTIVES AROUND THE ROOM.

I THINK WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THIS TEAM, AS OPPOSED TO A TEAM THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, CONTAINED WITHIN A SCHOOL, I'VE GOT JUVENILE PROBATION AT THE TABLE.

I'VE GOT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AT THE TABLE, I'VE GOT LAW ENFORCEMENT AT THE TABLE.

EVERYONE'S ROUND TABLING IT AND THROWING IDEAS AND REMEDIES.

AND THAT WAY NOTHING SLIPS THROUGH THE CRACKS AND EVERYONE'S ACCOUNTABLE.

FURTHERMORE, TOWARDS THE ASSESSMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION, I KIND OF ALLUDED TO THIS.

EVERYONE'S EXPERTISE IS BROUGHT TOGETHER TO REVIEW BEHAVIORS, THE IMPACT OF THE INFORMATION, INTERVENTION STRATEGIES, WHETHER WE'RE BEING SUCCESSFUL, WHETHER THE THREAT IS INCREASING OR DECREASING, OR WHETHER ANY ADDITIONAL MITIGATION ACTIONS ARE WARRANTED, AND WHAT'S REDACTED OUT, OR THE STEPS THAT WE TAKE AT EVERY MEETING WHEN IT'S COLLECTIVELY REVIEWED AND DOCUMENTED.

SO AGAIN, THE CASE MANAGEMENT IS THE REAL MEAT OF THIS SANDWICH.

IT ENSURES FOLLOW UP AND MULTIPLE PERSPECTIVES.

AND OUR GOALS MOVING FORWARD IS THE CASE MANAGEMENT NEVER STOPS.

SINCE THE LAUNCH WE'VE GOTTEN I WANT TO SAY UNDER 20 COMPLAINTS, AND WE'RE MANAGING SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF FIVE OF THESE COMPLAINTS HAVE ACTUALLY MADE IT TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S A THREAT OF TARGETED VIOLENCE.

AND THE THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAM IS LOOKING AT IT.

WHAT WE'RE ALSO GETTING ARE SOME MORE LIKE CRIME STOPPER THINGS THAT ARE BEING REPORTED THAT ISN'T TERRIBLE.

IT'S STILL GOOD. YOU KNOW, THIS THIS IS A PORTAL WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SEE SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS ON YOUR PHONE AND YOU GET A VIDEO, IF YOU SEND IT IN TO SPEAK UP, AND IT MIGHT NOT MAKE IT TO THE REGIONAL THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAM, BUT IT MIGHT GO TO THE POTTAWATTAMIE COUNTY DETECTIVES OR THE COUNCIL BLUFFS DETECTIVES.

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WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO EDUCATE OUR PARTICIPATING ENTITIES ON AWARENESS AND PROTOCOLS, AS WELL AS TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC.

SO WHERE ELSE TO GO FROM HERE? MANY IN MANY STATES, THREAT ASSESSMENT TEAMS HAVE BEEN REQUIRED AT THEIR SCHOOLS AND TO BE IMPLEMENTED, YOU KNOW, AT A REGIONAL LEVEL OR INVOLVING, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC PARTNERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, COUNTY ATTORNEYS.

WE'VE SEEN IT IN NORTH CAROLINA, WE'VE SEEN IT IN NEW JERSEY.

WE'VE SEEN IT IN VIRGINIA.

CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO MANDATE TO DO IT HERE IN IOWA, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE AHEAD OF THE CURVE.

AND THE GOAL HERE AGAIN IS TO GET IN FRONT OF THESE THREATS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE WARNING SIGNS, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO BE ON THEM AND TO MANAGE THEM.

SO BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

SO, CHIEF DAVIS, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THIS AND BRINGING THE INFORMATION TOGETHER.

I KNOW WHEN IT LAUNCHED, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ON FACEBOOK.

ARE WE TURNING NEIGHBORS IN AND THINGS OF THAT? I DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY.

I THINK THE WAY HOW YOU JUST ENDED IT IS PERFECT.

WE'RE TRYING TO BE AHEAD OF THE CURVE.

WE DON'T WANT A MASS SHOOTING IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I LOOK AT THIS AS A UPDATED SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING TYPE OF APPROACH IN COMMAND.

AND, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE IN THAT DAY AND AGE.

BUT I WOULD RATHER US BE PROACTIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND IF WE SEE SOMETHING OUT OF THE NORM OR OVERHEAR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.

WE GET AHEAD OF IT. SO WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH A CATASTROPHE HERE IN OUR IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THANK YOU. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT I SAW IN MY FORMER EXPERIENCE, BEING AT THE STATE LEVEL AND HAVING TO DEAL WITH THINGS LIKE THE HIGHLAND PARK 4TH OF JULY PARADE SHOOTING OR THE HENRY PRATT BUSINESS PLAY SHOOTING IN AURORA IS 200 MILES AWAY AT, YOU KNOW, IN SPRINGFIELD OR HERE IN DES MOINES. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO RELY ON AUTHORITIES WHO ARE 100 MILES AWAY.

THE REAL THE REAL EYES AND EARS OF THE COMMUNITY IS HERE.

YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY, THE CITY.

THAT'S WHY HAVING THE COUNTY ATTORNEY ON BOARD, IN MY OPINION, WAS WAS CRITICAL.

AND THAT IF YOU'RE NOT DOING THIS, IT'S ALMOST, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T GO SO FAR AS TO SAY NEGLIGENT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I GO TO THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CHIEFS OF POLICE AND, AND I TALK WITH MY PEERS AROUND THE COUNTRY, IF YOU'RE NOT DOING THIS, YOU'RE YOU'RE ALMOST AGAIN.

I WOULDN'T SAY NEGLIGENT, BUT YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT DOING EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO STAY IN FRONT OF IT.

I LIKE THAT THE THE TEAM YOU ASSEMBLED UP THERE WAS MORE THAN JUST LAW ENFORCEMENT AND PAROLE OFFICERS AND THINGS THERE WERE SOME MENTAL HEALTH STUFF THERE AND WORKING WITH THE SCHOOLS AND AND POSSIBLY IN GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, MAYBE SOMEONE THAT SOMETHING WOULD COME UP AND THEY WOULD GET THE HELP THAT THEY MIGHT NEED TO, YOU KNOW, CIRCUMVENT THINGS EARLY THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY GO ONE WAY OR, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND THEY'VE GOT A WHOLE LIFETIME TO LIVE THAT THINGS MAY HAVE GOTTEN BRUSHED UNDERNEATH THE RUG, YOU KNOW? SO. YEAH.

THIS IS GOOD WORK, LIKE YOU SAID NOT MAYBE NOT NEGLIGENT, BUT FOR SURE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL.

SO WAY TO BE PROACTIVE.

WE HAD IRONICALLY THE IT WAS IN REACTION TO THE OMAHA INCIDENT, BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL COPYCATS THROUGHOUT THE METROPOLITAN AREA, AND TWO OF THE STUDENTS WHO REPORTED THE THE STUDENT AT KIRN WHO WAS MAKING VEILED OR NOT SO VEILED THREATS REALLY WERE I WAS UNAWARE HOW IMPACTFUL THAT IS ON THE STUDENT.

YOU KNOW, THEY WERE SAYING, WELL, WHAT IF SHE SAW ME GO INTO THE PRINCIPAL'S OFFICE? WHICH ONE DID AND THE OTHER ONE WENT INTO THE TEACHER'S OFFICE AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TOMORROW IF SHE FIGURES OUT IT WAS ME? AND AND SO IT GIVES A LITTLE COVER TO I THINK.

ABSOLUTELY. THE ANONYMOUS REPORTING IS A IS A HUGE BENEFIT.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. REVIEW AGENDA.

[B.  Review Agenda]

YOU WANT TO? WE HAD AN UNUSUAL PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND SO COURTNEY WANTS TO KIND OF REPORT OUT WHAT, BECAUSE IT PROBABLY DOESN'T COME THROUGH IN THE WRITTEN NARRATIVE.

RIGHT. SO PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ORDINANCE ON THE ORDINANCE CHANGES WITH REGARDS TO THE SIGNS.

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AND SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAD ACTUALLY DONE SOME RESEARCH, TALKED TO SOME OTHER COMPANIES, SIGN COMPANIES TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY THOUGHT OF THE LANGUAGE.

ONE PERSON REPORTED BACK THAT THE SIGN COMPANY ACTUALLY LIKED IT HOW WE HAD IT, AND SAID IT WAS VERY CLEAR AND CONCISE AND EASIER TO FOLLOW THAN SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS WE HAD.

THE FIRST VOTE WAS TO, THE FIRST MOTION WAS TO REJECT THE CHANGES PROPOSED, AND A VOTE WENT THROUGH WITH THAT THAT FAILED.

AND A SECOND MOTION WAS MADE TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE IN CERTAIN WAYS, BUT THEY COULD NOT COME TO A CONSENSUS ON HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO AMEND IT SO THAT MOTION DIED.

IN THE END, THEY MADE NO RECOMMENDATION AND JUST PROPOSED IT TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO WHICH THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO IF THEY CAN'T COME TO ANY CONSENSUS.

WHAT WE ASK IS, IF YOU DO DECIDE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, WE NEED TO HAVE A DEFINITION OF TEMPORARY.

SO WE IS THAT 60 DAYS? IS THAT 90 DAYS SO THAT WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE ORDINANCE ITSELF SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND HOW TO ENFORCE THAT, THAT LANGUAGE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TEMPORARY SIGNAGE.

THANK YOU. IT ALSO SAID THEY THEY WANTED TO REVISIT THE NOTION OF DENYING IT, BUT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO REVISIT THAT VOTE.

CORRECT. SO ONCE THEY'RE ONCE THE FIRST MOTION DID NOT PASS, THEY COULD NOT BRING BACK SOMEONE COULDN'T BRING BACK THE MOTION TO REJECT.

THEY ONCE WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY WOULD AMEND IT, THEN THEY REALIZED THAT YOU COULD RABBIT HOLE IF WE WERE TO AMEND THIS AND TRY TO SAY, WELL, WE WANT THIS SIGNAGE TO BE THIS HEIGHT. OKAY. WELL, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO GET ALL THOSE CLARIFYING POINTS.

AND THEN THEY SAID, HANG ON, THAT SOUNDS REALLY CUMBERSOME FOR STAFF TO TRY TO ENFORCE.

AND THE ANSWER IS THAT WAS CORRECT.

SO THEY SAID, YEAH, IF WE CAN'T BRING IT BACK FORWARD, WE'RE JUST GOING TO NOT VOTE AT ALL.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THAT? HOW ABOUT THE RESOLUTIONS? APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS AND CANCELLATIONS.

SAM FOOD MART, IS THAT A NEW ONE? YES. IS IT THE OLD ORDER OR IS IT? I THINK SO. IT IS? YEAH. YEAH.

ANY OTHER BUSINESS? CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT FIRST ORDINANCE? SURE. FIRST READING. SO THEN WITH A TEMPORARY, I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH A 90 DAY FOR A TEMPORARY.

DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY FEELING AS TO IF WE NEED TO DEFINE WHAT TEMPORARY IS? I THINK 90 IS GOOD.

NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S OUT OF LINE.

I WOULD JUST I WOULD RECOMMEND DENYING THE ORDINANCE COMPLETELY.

I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE THE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN THAT IT CREATES ON OUR STAFF AND THE CONFUSION THAT IT CREATES IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. IT I THINK THE MAIN IDEA BEHIND THIS IS THAT WE WOULD CREATE A PERMITTING PROCESS FOR TEMPORARY SIGNS.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE UNDERSTOOD BY SOME PEOPLE, BUT THEN CREATE AN ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN ON ENFORCEMENT THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT AND CATCH THE PEOPLE THAT WERE NOT PULLING THE PERMITS, AND THEN THE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN OF PERMITTING THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY ARE GOING THROUGH PERMITTING. BIG PICTURE I AM I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN ON STAFF, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD HAVE TIME TO TO IMPLEMENT THAT.

THE SECOND MAJOR CONSIDERATION IS THE CONFUSION WITHIN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND PERHAPS THE THE BAD WILL THAT THAT WOULD CREATE BETWEEN THE CITY AND A LOT OF THESE BUSINESSES THAT ARE EITHER ONE BEING TOLD THAT YOU NEED TO PULL A PERMIT FOR THIS, FOR THIS TEMPORARY SIGNAGE OR TWO, THEY DIDN'T PULL THE THE PERMIT AND THEY'RE GETTING SOME KIND OF CITATION.

SO YOU KNOW, AND HONEST BUSINESS OWNERS WOULD WOULD MAKE THAT MISTAKE.

THEY'LL SEE THE SIGNAGE THAT'S OUT THERE NOT KNOWING THAT THAT OTHER BUSINESS OR THEIR COMPETITOR DOES HAVE A PERMIT FOR THAT TEMPORARY SIGNAGE.

SO THEY'LL JUST PUT OUT THEIR OWN SIGNAGE AND THEN WE'RE OUT THERE CHASING THEM.

WE'LL JUST BE GOING IN CIRCLES WITH BUSINESSES.

WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND? BECAUSE THE REAL REASON THAT I THINK THIS CAME UP IS BECAUSE ALL THOSE FLAGS WERE ON BROADWAY AND ON ALL ALONG SAM'S CLUB, AND THAT I DON'T REMEMBER THE STORE.

I THINK IT WAS A VAPE STORE.

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YES. YEAH. WELL, YEAH, I, I KIND OF FORGOT ABOUT THAT.

I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE GUY ON BROADWAY, THAT SPECIFIC EXAMPLE.

THOSE SIGNS WERE ON CITY PROPERTY, RIGHT? AND SOMETIMES A LOT OF THE SIGNAGE THAT YOU SEE OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY IS ACTUALLY IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

THIS THIS STILL DOESN'T ALLOW FOR SIGNAGE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, BUT IT WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE OF THAT TYPE OF SIGNAGE OUT THERE.

AND WE'RE OUT THERE CHASING IT AND THEN IT BLOWS AROUND.

YOU GET INCLEMENT WEATHER THAT BLOWS THIS STUFF ALL INTO NEIGHBORS YARDS AND DOWN TO OUR STORM SEWERS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

IT'S JUST NOT A GREAT LOOK FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

AND REALLY, MY NUMBER ONE CONCERN IS THE HOW WE'RE WE WOULD END UP PROBABLY CONFUSING A LOT OF BUSINESS OWNERS AND AND JUST CHASING, CHASING OUR TAILS ON IT.

I THINK WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS OR I GUESS IF A NEW BUSINESS OPENS, WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO PUT SOME FLAGS UP TO DRAW ATTENTION TO IN THE COMMUNITY.

RIGHT. THAT'S THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL REASON WHY THIS CAME UP.

I OR IF THEY'RE RUNNING A SPECIAL I SUPPOSE I DON'T KNOW IF LABOR DAY OR MEMORIAL DAY SALE.

I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE CAR LOTS PUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS UP TOO ALL THE TIME, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT A LOT OF TIMES IT MAY BE ON THEIR PROPERTY.

I AGREE, YOU CAN'T PUT STUFF IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

YOU KNOW, IT'S ELECTION SEASON.

THERE'S SIGNS ALL OVER IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO TO BE CLEAR, ONE, WE DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH ELECTION SIGNS NOT ALLOWED.

SO WE DO ALLOW FOR NO, I KNOW, OPENING SIGNAGE TO GO IN.

AND WE WE GIVE FOLKS ONCE WE SEE SOMETHING, WE GIVE THEM SOME GRACE WITH THAT.

WE NEVER STOP ANYBODY FROM PUTTING UP GRAND OPENING SIGNAGE.

NOW, IF THEY HAVE A GRAND OPENING IN MARCH AND IT'S JULY AND THEY STILL HAVE THAT SIGNAGE UP, WE'RE GOING TO REACH OUT AND SAY, HEY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS UP ANY LONGER. CAN YOU PLEASE TAKE IT DOWN? AND MOST PEOPLE COMPLY.

OKAY. SO I'M JUST GOING TO BACK UP FOR A SECOND AND ASK YOU, JILL, WHEN YOU SAY 90 DAYS, DO YOU MEAN 90 DAYS PER SIGN OR PER YEAR? BECAUSE THAT IF YOU'RE SAYING LIKE, LET'S SAY I HAVE A A SPECIAL SIGN AND THEN YOU COULD ROTATE OUT.

SO YOU'RE ROTATING.

SO DO YOU SAY IT'S PER SIGN OR DO I GET 90 DAYS PER YEAR THAT I'M ALLOWED TO HAVE A SPECIAL SIGN UP? THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TEMPORARY SIGNAGE.

SO IF WE IF WE DECLINE THIS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, CAN IT GO BACK TO ZONING AND WE CAN WORK THROUGH OR IS IT UP TO THEM THAT THEY THEY FEEL LIKE WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE. AND IT WAS JUST A IT WAS BROUGHT FORTH AND YOU CAN REJECT IT AND ASK US TO REVISE THEN IT WOULD GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION.

PLANNING COMMISSION WAS VERY MUCH UNDECIDED.

THERE WAS ZERO CONSENSUS.

AND ONCE THEY REALIZED THE BURDEN OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE NUANCE OF THE LANGUAGE, THEY SAID, WOW, WE SHOULD JUST REALLY NOT MESS WITH THIS WAS THE WORDS. WE HAVE ORDINANCE WE THINK WORKS.

AND BECAUSE ONE GUY INSISTS ON VIOLATING THE ORDINANCE, NOW WE'RE WE'RE TAKING AN ORDINANCE THAT WORKS AND TRYING TO MAKE IT INTO AN ORDINANCE THAT WON'T WORK.

WELL IN COURTNEY'S EXAMPLE THERE.

YOU KNOW, I JUST HAVE GOING THROUGH MY HEAD SOME KIND OF TERRIBLE, MASSIVE SPREADSHEET WHERE WE'VE GOT SOMEONE DRIVING AROUND TOWN OR MAYBE MORE THAN ONE PERSON DRIVING AROUND TOWN TRACKING EVERY SINGLE LITTLE TEMPORARY SIGN OUT THERE AND AND WRITING DOWN WHAT DATE THEY PUT IT UP AND WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.

WELL, THEY HAD THE GREEN ONE UP ON THAT DAY.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HIT 92 DAYS ON THAT GREEN SIGN, AND NOW THEY GOT THE YELLOW SIGN OUT THERE.

AND I, I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THAT ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN.

IF WE'RE GOING TO BE TASKED WITH IMPLEMENTING A, SOME KIND OF PERMITTING PROCESS FOR TEMPORARY SIGNAGE THAT JUST RELIES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT. WE'VE GOT EMPLOYEES THAT ARE EITHER OUT THERE ADMINISTRATING PERMITS OR GOING OUT ON AN ENFORCEMENT AND CITATION KIND OF SITUATION, AND I DON'T THINK THAT EITHER OF THOSE IS VERY BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND ONLY CAUSES CONFUSION, I THINK. SO MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO STICK WITH THE ORDINANCE AS IT IS. I THINK, AS COURTNEY EXPLAINED, WE DO HAVE THAT THAT KIND OF GRACE PERIOD WHERE WE RECOGNIZE WHEN THERE'S A NEW BUSINESS OUT THERE, WE'RE WE'RE STILL SMALL ENOUGH COMMUNITY WHERE WE KNOW THERE'S A NEW BUSINESS IN TOWN.

I THINK THERE'S A GREAT EXAMPLE JUST A COUPLE OF BLOCKS AWAY, THE PICKLEBALL PLACE JUST AROUND THE CORNER.

THERE'S SOME SIGNAGE ON THE FENCE THERE THAT SAYS NOW OPEN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE'RE NOT ENFORCING ON THAT IN THIS MOMENT.

NOW, IF IT COMES AROUND, YOU KNOW, FEBRUARY AND IT'S STILL OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THEN, YOU KNOW, COME ON, YOUR GRAND OPENING IS OVER, RIGHT?

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BUT THE, WHEN YOU SAY GRACE PERIOD, THAT I THINK THAT LEAVES US OPEN TO PEOPLE LIKE BRIAN SAYING, WELL, THIS GUY GOT GRACE AND I DIDN'T. RIGHT. I THINK OUR GOAL WAS TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT SOMETHING WHERE IT'S PRETTY SET IN STONE.

SO NOBODY THINKS THERE'S PLAYING FAVORITES.

AND IF THAT'S. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I MEAN, AND IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL TO GO IN AND SOMEHOW DEFINE WHAT THAT GRAND OPENING GRACE PERIOD IS OR WHATEVER WE CAN TAKE, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ON THAT EXAMPLE OF YOU MENTIONED THE LOANS PLACE.

I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THAT SIGNAGE WAS ACTUALLY IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

IT WAS THE BIG FEATHER SIGNS.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU WORRY ABOUT THOSE SIGNS A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL PROTRUDE INTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE TRYING TO WALK BY ON THE SIDEWALKS, OR IT FALLS OVER INTO THE STREET, THAT SORT OF THING.

SORRY. YOU HAD SOMETHING. YEAH.

FOR THE GRAND OPENING.

WE CAN DO THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY, THOUGH.

THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN OUR CODE.

WE CAN SAY WE'RE GIVING FOLKS 90 DAYS AND WE CAN JUST STAND BY THAT.

THAT CAN BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY.

IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

OR IF YOU WANT AN ENFORCEABLE MAKE THEM ALL ILLEGAL.

NO TEMPORARY SIGNS ANY TEMPORARY SIGNS' ILLEGAL.

UNPERMITTED. WE THINK THE WAY IT IS TODAY IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THE AGENDA? ALL RIGHT.

SEE YOU AT 7.

07:15. YEAH.

PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

I CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

[2.  CALL TO ORDER]

CHRIS PETERSON IS ONLINE, AND I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[3.  CONSENT AGENDA]

IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

TONIGHT WE HAVE 6 OR 7 PUBLIC HEARINGS 4 5 7 . IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS COUNCIL IN REGARDS TO ANY OF THESE, PLEASE STEP FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE.

GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

NOW YOUR COMMENTS MUST NOT BE ARGUMENTATIVE, REPETITIVE OR CUMULATIVE.

MUST FOLLOW THE RESTRICTIONS OF TEN MINUTES FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, AND NO OTHER PERSON IS ALLOWED TO SPEAK EXCEPT THAT PERSON WHO IS AT THE PODIUM.

NOW IT'S TIME AND PLACE FOR PUBLIC HEARING IN REGARDS TO RESOLUTION 24-306.

[A.  Resolution 24-306]

ANY WRITTEN PROTESTS RECEIVED? NONE RECEIVED. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS COUNCIL IN REGARDS TO THIS MATTER.

IS THERE A MOTION FROM THE COUNCIL? MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND. IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

NOW IT'S TIME AND PLACE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING TO RESOLUTION 24-307, A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE PLAN SPECIFICATION, FORM OF CONTRACT AND COST ESTIMATE FOR THE

[B.  Resolution 24-307]

IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

NOW IS THE TIME AND PLACE FOR PUBLIC HEARING IN REGARD TO RESOLUTION 24-308, A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE PLAN SPECIFICATION, FORM OF CONTRACT AND COST ESTIMATE FOR THE STATE ORCHARD

[C.  Resolution 24-308]

IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. AYE.

OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

NOW IS THE TIME AND PLACE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IN REGARDS TO RESOLUTION 25-309, A RESOLUTION DETERMINING AN AREA OF THE CITY TO BE A BLIGHTED AREA AND THAT THE

[D.  Resolution 24-309]

[00:35:09]

24-309. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.

ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS.

NO PROTESTS. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL? IS THERE A MOTION FROM THE COUNCIL? MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND. IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE.

OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

NOW IT'S TIME FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON RESOLUTION 24-310.

[E.  Resolution 24-310]

SECOND. IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

NOW IT'S TIME AND PLACE FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON RESOLUTION 24-311.

[F.  Resolution 24-311]

IS THERE DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

NOW IS THE TIME AND PLACE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IN REGARDS TO RESOLUTION 24-312.

[G.  Resolution 24-312]

SETTING A DECEMBER 4TH, 2024 AT 2 P.M.

AS THE DATE FOR THE TIME.

DATE AND TIME FOR THE BID OPENING OF THE PROJECT, IS APPROVED PUBLICATION ON FILE? YES IT IS. ANY WRITTEN PROTESTS RECEIVED? NONE RECEIVED. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS COUNCIL IN REGARDS TO THIS MATTER? IS THERE A MOTION FROM THE COUNCIL? MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND. IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

[A.  Ordinances 6615, 6616, 6617 and 6618]

6616, 6617 AND 6618 ARE ORDINANCES AMENDING FOUR SEPARATE SECTIONS OF TITLE 15 ZONING OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE BY AMENDING CHAPTERS 15.16, 15.17, 15.32A AND 15.33 WITH REGARDS TO SIGNS.

MOTION TO DENY.

SECOND. IS THERE A DISCUSSION? YEAH. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER IN THE STUDY SESSION AND THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION HAD A DIFFICULT TIME COMING TOGETHER. WE ALSO SPOKE WITH COURTNEY AND BRANDON AS WELL, AND IT SEEMED LIKE WE WERE TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT WE PROBABLY DON'T HAVE. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO THANK COURTNEY AND HER TEAM AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR TAKING THE TIME TO TO LOOK THROUGH THESE ORDINANCES.

BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE THE PROBLEM TO TRY TO SOLVE FOR THIS.

FURTHER DISCUSSION? I, I THINK THERE'S SOME STUFF WE COULD WE COULD MAKE CHANGES TO.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I AGREE WITH IT AS IT SITS ON HERE.

DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF IT THAT I COULD SEE IT AS A, A USEFUL TOOL FOR BUSINESSES.

SO I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING PUT IN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MORE OR LESS TO THE EFFECT THAT IF THE BUSINESS IS OPEN, NOT OPEN FOR BUSINESS, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE ANY TEMPORARY SORT OF SIGNAGE OUT.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT WOULD BE AN EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KEEP ALL THEIR SIGNS IN GOOD, CLEAN WORKING ORDER.

[00:40:07]

NOW I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MAY CAUSE FOR ENFORCEMENT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT, IN MY MIND MAKES IT RELATIVELY SIMPLE THAT IF THEY'RE NOT OPEN FOR BUSINESS AND THERE'S NO NEED TO HAVE ANY SIGN OUT ADVERTISING FOR YOU TO COME IN.

NOW, THERE'S SOME WORDED SOME VERBIAGE HERE TO DO WITH A PERIOD OF TIME WHEN THAT SOMEONE COULD, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT 30 VERSUS 90 AND STUDY SESSION AND I GUESS THAT I COULD SEE IT IN REFERENCE TO PERHAPS SOMETHING OF A GRAND OPENING.

I THINK THE PROBLEM WE HAVE, THOUGH, IS, AS WAS NOTED EARLIER TODAY ADMINISTRATIVELY TAKING LEAVE TO DO THINGS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

IT DOES LEAVE US OPEN TO INTERPRETATION, WHICH ALSO THEN LEAVES US OPEN TO SOMEONE FEELING AS THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN SLIGHTED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

THE OTHER PROBLEM I SEE WITH THAT IS DOWN THE ROAD, SHOULD THAT ADMINISTRATIVE, YOU KNOW, POWERS THAT BE, FOLKS IN CHARGE OF THAT DEPARTMENT NO LONGER BE THERE, THEIR INTERPRETATION WILL BE DIFFERENT.

I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR US TO CODIFY THIS IN SOME MANNER DOWN THE ROAD, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WHICH WE ARE BY WOULD BE BY DENYING.

BUT AGAIN, I COULD SEE USE OF IT IN SOME CAPACITY STILL SO WELL.

SO I MEAN, SO YOU'RE SAYING IF THEY'RE OPEN THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT IF IT'S ON THEIR PROPERTY? YES, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING IT.

ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS KIND OF HAD TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST WAS, WELL, IF IT'S ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, WE CAN'T DO THAT.

WELL, NONE OF THIS DOES THAT ANYWAYS, YOU CAN'T CURRENTLY DO IT IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THAT'S STILL ILLEGAL.

SO BY ALLOWING THEM USE OF SOMETHING SUCH AS THIS, YOU KNOW, AND I WAS CONTINUALLY THINKING JUST ABOUT THE, THE FEATHER SIGNS, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS LIKE A SANDWICH BOARDS OR DIFFERENT OTHER THINGS YOU MIGHT PUT UP FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

AGAIN, I LIKE THE IDEA OF IT, IT BEING ON THEIR PROPERTY, SO LONG AS IT'S NOT IMPEDING THE RIGHT OF WAY AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SOME SEMBLANCE OF SAFETY THERE, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE GETTING INTO AN ACCIDENT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SEE THROUGH THINGS.

BUT AGAIN, IF YOU DON'T ALLOW IT, WHICH WE CURRENTLY DON'T ON PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS, THEN THAT THAT WOULD BE NEGATED THERE.

IF THERE'S NO BUSINESS OPEN CURRENTLY, THERE'S NO REASON TO HAVE SIGNAGE OUT THERE SHORT OF MAYBE A GRAND OPENING OR SOMETHING.

AND THAT'S THE PIECE WHERE WE HAD DISCUSSED THAT WE GIVE SOME LEEWAY.

I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO FIGURE A MEANS OUT OF, AGAIN, CODIFYING THAT.

AND IS THAT SOMETHING WE MAYBE DO NOW OR BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN TO THIS FAR, OR DO WE? WELL, IF WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN A BUNCH OF PEOPLE'S TIME, DO WE.

IF WE SEND IT ALL THE WAY BACK TO TRY AND FIGURE THOSE PIECES OUT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S OUR BEST USE OF TIME.

IF WE'VE GOT THREE READINGS, CAN WE JUST KIND OF CHANGE IT? SO, BRANDON, IF YOUR CONCERN, IS THE ADMINISTRATIVE PART OF IT, MOST I MEAN, MOST I KNOW THERE'S OTHER CONCERNS. BUT SO IF WE IF YOU GO BACK TO ORIGINAL OR MORE ORIGINAL, I GUESS, AND WE AND THEN IF LIKE FOR THE FEATHER SIGNS IN PARTICULAR WHAT JOE IS TALKING ABOUT IF OR STEVE OR JOE BECAUSE YOU SAID NO OR YOU KNOW, IF WE IF YOU JUST MADE IT SO THEY CAN ONLY HAVE THEM OUT ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY, NOT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, BUT ONLY WHEN THE BUSINESS IS OPEN.

WHAT'S WHAT'S THE APPETITE FOR THAT FOR YOU? THAT, THAT'S ALMOST JUST AS TRICKY.

WE WE TYPICALLY OPERATE CURRENTLY DURING BUSINESS HOURS, 8 TO 5 P.M..

YOU KNOW, I COULD SEE, YOU KNOW, A TYPICAL RESTAURANT AT LEAST RUNNING UNTIL 8 P.M.

OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. A LOT OF BUSINESSES ARE OPEN THAT LATE, SO WHO'S TO KNOW IF THEY EVER TAKE THEM DOWN OR PUT THEM UP? I'D HATE TO. WHICH IS THAT RIGHT. SO LOOKING FOR THESE, WHICH IS THAT WAY NOW THEY CAN PUT THEM OUT RIGHT NOW.

WE WOULDN'T KNOW ANYTIME AFTER 5:00 ANYWAY.

RIGHT. SO, SO IF WE ACTUALLY PUT IT IN THE CODE THAT IT'S ONLY 8 TO 5, THEN WE ACTUALLY KNOW.

AT LEAST IT'S AT LEAST THAT WE HAVE SPECIFIC HOURS DURING NOT 8 TO 5.

BUT WE PUT WHEN THEY'RE OPEN FOR BUSINESS THEY HAVE TO TAKE THEM IN AT NIGHT BASICALLY, OR WHEN THEY'RE WHEN THEY'RE NOT OPEN, IF THEY'RE NOT OPEN ON SATURDAYS, THEY CAN'T HAVE THAT. THERE'S THERE'S STILL THE OVERARCHING CONFUSION THAT IT CREATES BY HAVING A PROLIFERATION OF THESE KINDS OF SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY WHERE SOME PEOPLE, VERY FEW PEOPLE HONESTLY WOULD KNOW THE LAW AND BE LAW ABIDING, AND THEN MOST OTHERS, SEEING THAT THESE TYPES OF SIGNS ARE OUT THERE AND APPARENTLY ACCEPTABLE, SO THEY JUST HAVE THEM UP ALL HOURS OF THE DAY.

SO WITH WITH.

NO. AND HOW MANY?

[00:45:02]

THAT'S WHY I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS LIKE PEOPLE PUT THEM OUT AND THEN THE OTHER GUY THINKS HE CAN PUT THEM OUT.

I THINK WE'RE NOT CHANGING.

I THINK OUR COMMUNITY IS ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES, IS A LOT CLEANER LOOKING IN REGARDS TO THE OVER USAGE OF THAT SIGNAGE, YES, WE HAVE THINGS THAT POP UP FROM NOW AND NOW AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TEMPORARY KIND OF THINGS. THEY'RE NOT GENERATING A HUGE NUMBER OF OF COMPLAINTS.

WE'RE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT VOLUME AS IT IS NOW BECAUSE WE'LL EITHER SEE THOSE OR GET A PHONE CALL OF, YOU KNOW, THESE TYPES OF SIGNS ARE OUT THERE.

WE HAVE THE STAFFING, I THINK, THAT IS ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH A LOT OF THAT VOLUME.

AND IT'S A VERY SLOW PROCESS BECAUSE THERE WERE COMMENTS MONTHS AGO ABOUT, WELL, WE'RE NOT EVEN ENFORCING WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.

OUR ZONING CODE ENFORCEMENT IN REGARDS TO THIS TYPE OF SIGNAGE IS THE PROPERTY OWNER RECEIVES A LETTER AND THE THE, THE, THE ADDRESS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE SAME.

THE BUSINESS IS NOT ALWAYS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.

SO THE PROPERTY OWNER OF RECORD GETS A LETTER AND THEN THE BUSINESS GETS A LETTER IN REGARDS TO IT.

YOU HAVE A ILLEGAL SIGNAGE OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, AND YOU HAVE THIS MANY DAYS TO TO TAKE IT OUT.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEAR AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, YOU DIDN'T MAKE MY NEIGHBOR OR MY COMPETITOR PULL THEIR SIGNAGE OUT, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY WE'VE WE HAVE RECORD OF YEAH, WE'VE WE'VE ALREADY SENT THEM THE LETTER.

THEY'RE NOT COMPLYING WITH THAT NEXT STEP.

YOU KNOW, AFTER THEY GO THROUGH A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, THEY DO WORK THEIR WAY UP TO GETTING A CITATION.

IT'S IT'S A VERY TIME CONSUMING PROCESS, AS IT IS WITH THE FEW THAT WE HAVE TO HANDLE NOW.

IT'S JUST SIMPLER IN REGARDS TO PERMITTING, WHETHER IT'S PERMITTING OR ENFORCEMENT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN TYPE OF SIGNAGE THAT'S THAT'S NOT ALLOWABLE.

THAT JUST MAKES IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND.

SO AND I MEAN, IF THE SIGN JUST BECAUSE THIS IS THE WAY THIS READS, [INAUDIBLE] IF IT IS, THE FLAG IS LESS THAN THREE FOOT, IT'S OKAY, BECAUSE IT SAYS THREE FOOT, ANYTHING ABOVE THREE FOOT, I DON'T KNOW ALL I KNOW.

THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT READS. I DON'T KNOW EVERY PIECE I KNOW.

YEAH. I'M NOT TRYING TO CATCH YOU.

I'M JUST SAYING, IF THE FLAG.

NO. I'M NOT. I'M JUST SAYING IF IT SAYS ANYTHING OVER THREE FOOT.

I THINK THE CHANGE READS THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE DOES.

I THINK THE ORIGINAL MIGHT HAVE READ THAT TOO, BUT THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD AT THE.

[INAUDIBLE].

WE WE HAVE A GOOD HANDLE ON HOW THE ORDINANCE IS TODAY.

I HEARD SOME THINGS IN STUDY SESSION AND THEN HERE IN DISCUSSION TONIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEEDED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF LEGAL COMFORT OR REFUGE FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ADMINISTRATIVE ABUSE OF, YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON'S GOT AN INTERPRETATION OR ANOTHER IN THE FUTURE WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT ONE.

WE CAN SOLIDIFY THOSE KIND OF THINGS OR CODIFY IN THAT INTO CODE SO THAT THOSE ASSURANCES ARE MADE.

I GUESS I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE AT.

I GUESS I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S CLEAR TO THE TO THE BUSINESS OWNER, LIKE IT'S NOT ALLOWED, BUT THERE'S PEOPLE DOING IT.

THERE'S NOT PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING CAUGHT.

THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT GETTING CAUGHT.

AND IT'S JUST IF WE HAVE SOMETHING IN HERE AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS RIGHT.

I'M NOT I'M NOT SAYING IT IS.

BUT IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SAY, HEY, LOOK, THIS IS THE CODE, RIGHT? RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST SURE THEY DIDN'T GET CAUGHT.

SORRY. WE HAVE A CODE.

I MEAN, BUT IF THEY PUT IT OUT AT 7:00 OR 6:00 WHEN EVERYBODY GOES HOME FROM 6 TO 9, AND THEN PEOPLE ARE TAKING PICTURES AND SENDING THEM IN, AND THEY'RE NOT OPEN, YOU KNOW, OR THE BUSINESS IS ONLY OPEN AT NIGHT, RIGHT? LIKE, WE DON'T WE CAN'T WE JUST LET THEM GO BECAUSE WE'RE NOT IT'S NOT DURING BUSINESS.

CITY HALL TO CLOSE TO SNEAK OUT AND PUT THEIR SIGNS UP.

BUT FOR WEEKENDS, I'M NOT HEARING THAT IT'S A WIDESPREAD ISSUE.

AND IF IT BECOMES A WIDESPREAD ISSUE, THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ONCE OR TWICE A MONTH, WE WE HAVE TO ASK ONE OF OUR ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO, YOU KNOW, WIGGLE THEIR SHIFT, YOU KNOW, COME IN THREE HOURS LATE AND STAY THREE HOURS LATE OR SOMETHING.

GO DO THE. YEAH.

DO THE I GUESS I JUST I JUST WANT IT TO BE CLEAR AND I WANT, I WANT IT TO BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY TOO, NOT TO CREATE CONFUSION.

[00:50:05]

BECAUSE IN STUDY SESSION, YOU YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE HAS BEEN OUTREACH TO BUSINESSES AND THAT THEY FEEL THAT THE WAY HOW IT IS WRITTEN NOW IS UNDERSTANDABLE AND FAIR.

CORRECT. FROM WHAT I HEARD COURTNEY CARTER SAY, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

THE THERE WERE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS THAT TOOK THAT UPON THEMSELVES TO REACH OUT TO SIGN COMPANIES.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS OTHER BUSINESSES.

I THOUGHT I HEARD HER SAY SIGN COMPANIES.

YOU DID. OKAY. SO I JUST DON'T WANT TO CREATE I WANT US TO CONTINUE TO BE A BUSINESS FRIENDLY COMMUNITY. I DON'T WANT TO CREATE A BARRIER OR HAVE THE CITY BECOME SOME KIND OF UNUSUAL OBSTACLE.

MAINLY THROUGH CONFUSION WHERE WE'RE EITHER TELLING PEOPLE THEY NEED TO GET PERMITS TO GET THIS SIGNAGE, OR WE'RE TELLING PEOPLE YOU HAVE ILLEGAL SIGNAGE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A CITATION BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR PERMIT TO HAVE THESE TYPES OF SIGNAGE WHERE THEY SEE ONCE YOU ONCE YOU PROVIDE A PATHWAY TO HAVE THESE TYPES OF SIGNS PROLIFERATE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY MORE AND MORE PEOPLE WILL SAY, OH, WELL, THIS IS OKAY NOW.

AND SO I'M JUST GOING TO START PUTTING IT OUT THERE.

A LOT OF TIMES WHAT WE SEE IS A LOT OF THE CHAIN STORES, REGARDLESS OF WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS, RESTAURANT OR RETAIL OR WHATEVER, I THINK FROM CORPORATE, THEY GET A PACKAGE IN THE MAIL AND THE MANAGER IS TOLD IN THE LETTER IT SAYS, PUT THESE, PUT THESE FLAGS OUT.

THIS IS PART OF OUR FALL CAMPAIGN TO.

WELL, YEAH, I THINK WHATEVER LIKE HOT TOPIC IN THAT BABY STORE AND STUFF.

THEY HAVE SPOTS IN THE CONCRETE THAT ARE FOR THE POLES.

SO I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO BLAME THOSE STORE MANAGERS.

THE STORE MANAGERS ARE DOING WHAT THEY WHAT THEY'RE TOLD BY CORPORATE.

AND THEY THEY DON'T KNOW THE CITY ORDINANCE FOR THE SIGN CODE, BUT IT MAKES IT A LOT SIMPLER FOR US ON THE CITY SIDE TO WHERE WE CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST SAID HOT TOPIC OR, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE A LOAN PLACE OR WHATEVER.

WE CAN MAKE THAT PHONE CALL AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE PRETTY SURE YOU PROBABLY DON'T REALIZE THAT WE HAVE THIS CODE THAT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THIS, THIS TYPE OF SIGNAGE THAT YOU'VE PUT OUT.

WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE THAT DOWN? AND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T, WE REVISIT IT IN A COUPLE OF DAYS.

WE FIND OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, NOTHING HAS HAPPENED.

WELL, THEN THEN MAYBE THAT FIRST LETTER GOES OUT TO TO LET THEM KNOW.

AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF OWNERS OR MANAGERS ARE VERY COMPLIANT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN REQUEST A REPORT FROM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT FOLKS IN REGARDS TO THIS.

BUT I THINK WHEN WE WHEN WE REVAMPED OUR ZONING ENFORCEMENT CODE ABOUT, OH, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS ABOUT 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO, I THINK GRAHAM HELPED US ON THAT.

I THINK WE'VE BEEN ACHIEVING WELL ABOVE 90% COMPLIANCE, PROBABLY MORE LIKE 96% COMPLIANCE BEFORE ANYONE'S GETTING THESE CITATIONS.

WE DO NOT ISSUE VERY MANY CITATIONS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE COMPLYING WITH THAT.

SO BY AND LARGE, WE DON'T GET A LOT OF FOLKS GETTING TO THAT POINT, AND WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO GET TO THAT POINT.

THAT'S NOT IN OUR BEST INTEREST EITHER AS A BUSINESS FRIENDLY COMMUNITY.

I GUESS MAYBE IT'S THE MAYBE FOR ME, IT'S I DON'T MIND THE FEATHER FLAGS OR WHATEVER, LIKE THE ONE I SENT YOU A PICTURE OF.

I DON'T MIND THAT IF THEY'RE OPEN TO DOING BUSINESS, IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME.

MAYBE THAT'S MAYBE THAT'S WHY IT'S IT JUST IT SEEMS LIKE WE DON'T WANT THEM AT ALL, RIGHT? LIKE THAT'S THE CITY'S POSITION, RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT THE FEATHER. I THINK IT MAKES IT TEMPORARY SIGNS.

YEAH. IT'S TEMPORARY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THE CITY IS SAYING.

THE CITY IS SAYING THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF WE GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, THE TEMPORARY SIGN IS NOT A PERMANENT SIGN.

THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PERMANENT AND A TEMPORARY SIGN.

AND BEING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND NOT IN THE RIGHT.

YEAH, NOT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. THAT'S NONE OF THIS SAYS RIGHT OF WAY.

BUT I GUESS TO ME, LIKE I SAID, I THINK THOSE FEATHER FLAGS ARE.

PLUS WE'VE GOT AN ORDINANCE BASED ON THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY, HOW BIG YOUR SIGNAGE CAN BE.

AND THESE FOR EXAMPLE, THE THE BUSINESS WHERE THAT STARTED ALL THIS HAD TEN OF THOSE FEATHER SIGNS OUT.

YEAH. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE VOTE THEN.

SO THE IT'S A MOTION TO DENY.

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CHRIS ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY? I MEAN, I'M KIND OF IN AGREEANCE WHERE WE COULD REWORK SOME THINGS TO MAYBE MOVE IT ON TO A SECOND READING AND NOT KILL IT TONIGHT.

BUT IT'S KIND OF WHERE I MISSED, YOU KNOW, I MISSED A BIG CHUNK OF CONVERSATION AND STUDY SESSION.

SO I'M JUST KIND OF GOING OFF ON WHAT I JUST HEARD AND WHAT I'VE READ.

CAN WE CAN WE CHANGE? WE CAN CHANGE PRETTY MUCH WHATEVER WE WANT, EVEN IF IT GOES TO A SECOND OR THIRD READING.

RIGHT? IF YOU GO TO A THIRD READING AND THE CHANGES ARE CONSIDERED MATERIAL, YOU NEED TO TAKE IT TO A FOURTH READING.

FOR POINT OF PROCEDURE, THOUGH YOU DO HAVE AN ACTIVE MOTION RIGHT NOW FOR PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, RIGHT NOW, THOUGH, YOU DO HAVE AN ACTIVE MOTION TO DENY THAT HAS BEEN FIRST AND SECONDED.

SO THAT IS BEFORE THE COUNCIL AT THIS TIME.

SO YOU CAN SO WE'RE VOTING ON THAT.

YEAH. WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE DENIAL, AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE ON TO SECOND SHOULD THAT BE THE COUNCIL'S CHOICE 100%.

ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION IS TO DENY ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

AYE. AYE. I HAVE A QUESTION.

WAIT, I HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION.

ARE YOU ALLOWED TO VOTE ON THIS? YEAH, I ASKED IT.

OKAY. WHEN ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER IS IN PLACE IT'S INCUMBENT UPON THE OFFICER IF THEY HAVE A PERSONAL, VESTED OR PECUNIARY INTEREST IN WHATEVER MOTION IS BEFORE THE COMMISSION OR BEFORE THE COUNCIL, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO GIVE AN UNBIASED, UNABLE TO GIVE AN UNBIASED OPINION, THEY SHOULD ABSTAIN FROM THE VOTE.

HOWEVER, UNDER ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, YOU CANNOT COMPEL SOMEONE TO ABSTAIN.

IT'S ON THEM TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEIR ABSTENTION IS APPROPRIATE.

OKAY. I ASKED WHICH OWNERSHIP OF SIGN COMPANY PRETTY MUCH WOULD PRECLUDE THAT I ASKED DICK, THIS IS AFFECT EVERYBODY, NOT JUST ME.

AND I DON'T AND I HONESTLY, I'VE NEVER I'VE NEVER SOLD A SIGN IN MY LIFE AFFECT HIM.

IT DOESN'T AFFECT HER. IT DOESN'T AFFECT HIM BECAUSE THEY DON'T OWN SIGN COMPANIES.

I'VE NEVER DONE A FEATHER FLAG, EVER.

NOT ONCE. IT DOESN'T AFFECT FEATHER FLAGS.

IT'S ALL THE SIGN ORDINANCE.

IT'S. YOU'RE SPLITTING HAIRS THAT THAT IT ARE FOUR SECTIONS OF OUR CITY SIGN ORDINANCES THAT AFFECT THE WAY THAT YOUR WIFE DOES BUSINESS.

AND YOU ARE THE SECRETARY OR THE TREASURER OF THAT BUSINESS.

I GUESS WHEN I ASKED DICK IF HE THOUGHT I HAD A CONFLICT, I DIDN'T THINK I DID.

I ASKED HIM, HE SAID, I DON'T THINK YOU DO EITHER.

HE TOLD ME YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T HAVE OWNERSHIP INTEREST IN THE BUSINESS AND YOU DIDN'T SELL FEATHER FLAGS.

AND ON MONDAY THAT'S NOT TRUE.

I DO HAVE OWNERSHIP. WE COULD GO.

YEAH, WE COULD GO MONDAY.

[INAUDIBLE] I SAID TO DICK, THIS IS MORE THAN FEATHER SIGNS AND THEY OWN THE BUSINESS. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE UNTIL NEXT SECOND.

TABLE THE FIRST CONSIDERATION TABLE.

ORDINANCE. CORRECT.

AND YOU SECONDED STEVE.

IS THERE A DISCUSSION? SO YOU'RE TABLING IT, OR ARE YOU CONTINUING IT TO NEXT MEETING? JUST TABLE UNTIL NEXT MEETING.

I GUESS WHAT'S THE.

SO TABLING IT IS TAKING IT OFF THE AGENDA AND NOT SPECIFIC TO A DATE.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.

THE FIRST. I GAVE THE DATE.

OKAY. SO CONTINUE. YEAH, BECAUSE I SAID THE DATE OF THE NEXT MEETING.

NOVEMBER 18TH.

CORRECT. OKAY. SECOND.

CONCUR. I CONCUR.

DISCUSSION? WE'LL GET SOME CLARITY ON SOME THINGS.

ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

AYE. SO IF IT WOULD HAVE WENT TWO, TWO AND I ABSTAINED, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE [INAUDIBLE]? JUST BE DONE. YEAH.

MAJORITY DIDN'T VOTE FOR IT.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT NEXT TIME.

YEP. AND IT'LL BE ON THE FIRST CONSIDERATION AGAIN NEXT TIME.

SO IT'LL STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ITS READINGS.

THANK YOU. RESOLUTION 24-313A RESOLUTION PERMITTING POLICE OFFICERS STAFFING IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO TEMPORARILY EXCEED

[A.  Resolution 24-313]

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MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND. IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE.

OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

RESOLUTION 24-314, 24-315, 24-316, 24-317, 24

[B.  Resolutions 24-314, 24-315, 24-316, 24-317, 24-318 and 24-319]

OUR RESOLUTIONS AUTHORIZING INTERFUND LOAN APPROVAL FOR FY 26 TIF CERTIFICATIONS.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND. IS THERE A DISCUSSION? I BELIEVE THIS REDUCES OUR TIF OBLIGATIONS BY ABOUT $800,000 COMPARED TO LAST YEAR SO.

FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE.

OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

RESOLUTION 24-320, A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE ANNUAL CERTIFICATION FOR TAX INCREMENT FINANCING INDEBTEDNESS.

[C.  Resolution 24-320]

SECOND. IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE.

OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS AND CANCELLATIONS 7A1 AND 2 AND 7B.

[A.  Liquor Licenses]

[B.  Cigarette/Tobacco/Nicotine/Vapor Permit]

SECOND. IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE.

OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

MADAM CLERK, ANY OTHER BUSINESS? I HAVE RECEIVED NONE.

ANY CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL? SEEING NONE.

ANYONE FROM THE COUNCIL? TOMORROW'S ELECTION DAY.

GET OUT AND VOTE.

WE'LL ALL BE HAPPY IT'S DONE.

YES. AND STOP GETTING THE TEXT MESSAGES AND PHONE CALLS.

ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.