Nov 18, 2024 City Council

[A.  Courtney Harter - Housing RFP Responses and E Manawa Grant App]

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UP FIRST ON THE STUDY SESSION IS COURTNEY HARTER HOUSING RFP RESPONSES IN EAST MANAWA GRANT APPLICATION.

OKAY, SO WE HAVE THREE RFPS THAT WE RELEASED EARLIER THIS YEAR.

AND JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK RUNDOWN OF THE THE PROPOSALS THAT WE RECEIVED AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE BEFORE WE GET GOING.

JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE THREE SITES.

THE ONE BIG BLOCK IN RIVER'S EDGE AND THEN TWO ON 1ST AVENUE.

THE 30TH BLOCK IS SPANNING BOTH SIDES OF FIRST AVENUE, AND THEN THE 2800 BLOCK IS THE ONE WE ORIGINALLY PURCHASED SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

WAS AN OLD AGRIBUSINESS THAT WE TORE DOWN IN THE EARLY 2010S, MAYBE.

WE PROVIDED RFP RESPONSES OR SENT IT OUT TO OVER 70 DEVELOPERS IN THE MIDWEST AND JUST OUR DESIGN STANDARDS OR OUR STANDARDS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS OUR RIVER'S EDGE BLOCK.

IT'S ABOUT 1.7 ACRES AND IS PROPERLY ZONED FOR R-4.

SO IN RIVER'S EDGE WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT WE WILL ACTUALLY, THEY HAVE TO PURCHASE THE LOT AND THEN A PORTION OF THAT COST GOES BACK TO THE PARKING GARAGE.

SO THE APPRAISED VALUE OF $300,000, 35% OF THAT GOES BACK TO THE PARKING GARAGE ASSOCIATION.

IT DID HAVE A MINIMUM EVALUATION REQUIREMENT OF $32 MILLION ORIGINALLY.

AND OBVIOUSLY WE'VE RELEASED THIS RFP MULTIPLE TIMES AND HAD A CONVERSATION WITH IOWA WEST.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GIVE ON BECAUSE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO SUPPORT THE PARKING GARAGE.

WE'RE JUST NOT GETTING THAT LEVEL AFTER THE THIRD RELEASE.

SO THE PROPOSAL THAT WE RECEIVED WAS FROM BROADMOOR.

IT CAME IN AT $24.5 MILLION, AND IT'S A AN L-SHAPED BUILDING WITH 91 UNITS AND UNDERGROUND PARKING FOR THE FIRST TWO LEVELS SO THAT THE UNITS THEMSELVES ACTUALLY START ABOVE OUR PAVILION TO GIVE PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT OF LINE OF SIGHT.

IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE DEVELOPMENT LEVEL THAT WE WERE HOPING FOR AS FAR AS THE ASSESSED VALUE.

BUT AT THIS POINT, AFTER THE THIRD RELEASE, OUR TIF AGREEMENTS AND ALL THAT STUFF BEING IN PLACE, WE'RE ON A CLOCK THAT IF WE WANT TO CAPTURE ANYTHING, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET THAT DONE. AND WHAT THEY PROVIDED US IS A VERY NICE PRODUCT.

WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH BROADMOOR, WE KNOW THAT THEY CAN BUILD IT.

WE KNOW THAT THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD.

THEIR TIF REQUEST IS WITHIN REASON THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND TRY TO GET THIS PROJECT STARTED ON THEIR TIMELINE.

SO IT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BROADMOOR REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT, I WAS PAID FOR THE GARAGE AND THEN THEY GET REIMBURSED BY 25% OF THE TIF ON THIS PROJECT.

YEAH. SO AT $32 MILLION, THEY COULD HAVE GOT FULLY REIMBURSED IF IT SOLD A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

RIGHT. AS THE CLOCK TICKS DOWN.

THAT'S ONE LESS YEAR OF INCOME.

AND SO WE JUST THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO TAKE LESS AND GET MORE THAN WANT MORE AND GET LESS.

YEAH. THE TIF ON THIS ONE IS 15%.

I FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN, 10% HAS BEEN PRETTY STANDARD.

LIKE THERE'S THE OTHER ONES, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS 12 TO 15% YEAH. IT'S JUST GETTING BIGGER EVERY I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE EVERY TIME THESE COME I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAVE TO TIF SOME OF THESE THINGS, BUT 15% IS A BIG NUMBER.

I MEAN, AND THEN ON SOME OF THE OTHER ONES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ON TOP OF ANOTHER $2 MILLION AND WE'RE GIVING THEM SOME OF THE LAND.

IT'S. YEAH.

AND I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE HOVERING BETWEEN 12 AND 15% OF TOTAL PROJECT COST PLUS OR MINUS.

WE HAVE SOME OF OUR INDUSTRIAL ONES THAT WE'RE GOING A LITTLE BIT HIGHER ON.

WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS WE LOOK AT WHAT THE PROJECT NEEDS TO CLOSE THE GAP, AND IF THEY'RE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL THINGS, PROVIDE US WHY? AND SO THAT WE CAN JUSTIFY IF THEY'RE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL ABOVE WHAT OUR STANDARD IS.

AT THIS POINT, THE 15% IS KIND OF THE MINIMUM THAT WE'RE SEEING.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S JUST THE THE STANDARDS FOR HOW MUCH CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE GONE UP AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THE MINIMUM ASSESSMENTS.

SO I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE A HIGH NUMBER THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR.

SO 25% OF THE TIF, LIKE MAYOR SAID, HAS TO GO TO IOWA WEST FOUNDATION.

SO THEY'RE REQUESTING A 65% REBATE.

THAT MEANS WE'RE PUTTING 10% BACK INTO THE TAXING ENTITIES OVER THE 14 YEAR PERIOD.

AND IF WE HOW WE STRUCTURE OUR AGREEMENTS IS IT'S EITHER A TIME CLOCK OF 14 YEARS AND WHEN YOU HIT THAT, IT TURNS OFF OR IT'S I HIT $2 MILLION AND I HIT THAT IN YEAR 10 SO THEN MY INCENTIVE TURNS OFF. SO WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE THE WINNER IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT THAT WAY EITHER DIRECTION.

BUT $3.6 THOUGH RIGHT, NOT $2 MILLION.

OH SORRY 3.6 MY BAD.

YEAH. CORRECT. THANK YOU.

I HAVE $2 MILLION ON THE BRAIN FROM ANOTHER A DIFFERENT PROJECT.

YEAH. YEAH, YEAH.

OKAY. [INAUDIBLE] IT'S JUST AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION WITH TOMMY FELDMAN.

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AND HE CALLED UP AND SAID, YOU KNOW, I WANT 65%, I NEED 65% TIF.

AND I SAID, NO, YOU DON'T, TOMMY.

I SAID, YOU USED TO NEED IT WHEN MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WAS TAXED AT THE COMMERCIAL RATE, WHICH IS DOUBLE IN IOWA VERSUS NEBRASKA, AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT.

BUT NOW THE STATE HAS ROLLED BACK MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO THE RESIDENTIAL RATE.

SO NOW YOU'RE ONLY PAYING TAXES ON 47%.

HE SAID, I DON'T CARE WHAT MATH YOU'RE DOING.

I'M PAYING MORE HERE THAN I AM IN OMAHA.

SO I WENT AND PULLED UP HIS SITE AT AKSARBEN VILLAGE, WHICH IS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO WHAT HE'S BUILDING HERE, AND HE'S 100% RIGHT.

AND THE REASON IS THAT THE ASSESSOR IN OMAHA HAS GIVEN HIM A SOFTER ASSESSMENT THAN WHAT HE'S GETTING OVER HERE.

AND SO IT'S ASSESSED HIGHER HERE.

HE'S STILL PAYING MORE HERE THAN HE IS THERE.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT JUSTIFIES THE TIF, BUT THAT'S A FACT.

BECAUSE LIKE I SAY, I DID THE RESEARCH ON IT.

YEAH. I JUST WHEN I WAS THINKING ABOUT OTHER PROJECTS, I FEEL LIKE MOST OF THEM ARE UNDER 12% THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS.

YEAH. I, I DON'T THINK SO.

THE AMOUNT NOW IS ESPECIALLY ON THE MORE RECENT PROJECTS HAS REALLY CREEPED UP THAT WE'RE CLOSER BETWEEN 15 AND 18%.

AND THAT'S YEAH.

BUT I THINK AN IMPORTANT THING FOR US ALL TO REMEMBER WITH TIF IS IT'S NOT JUST A POT OF MONEY THAT COMES OUT OF OUR EXISTING GENERAL FUND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THESE ARE TAXES THAT THEY PAY THAT ARE A PORTION OF WHICH ARE REBATED BACK TO THEM AFTER THEY PAY.

SO WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM MONEY UNLESS THEY HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL PROJECT SUCH AS THIS.

SO A COMMON SAYING THAT'S ACTUALLY IT'S SIMILAR IN IOWA, BUT I THINK IT'S IN NEBRASKA SPECIFICALLY THAT PROJECTS DO NOT HAPPEN BUT FOR TIF, YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAPPEN UNLESS YOU HAD TIF AVAILABLE.

AND I THINK THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF MOST PROJECTS THAT COME FORWARD TO YOU.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE A PROJECT LIKE THIS IF TIF WASN'T THE INCENTIVE TOOL THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US IN IOWA.

AND THE REST OF THE STORY, ONE RESPONDENT, ONE RESPONDENT.

AND SO IF WE DON'T TAKE THIS RESPONDENT, WE GO FIVE MORE YEARS, WE GET NOTHING AT LEAST WE'RE GETTING 10% OF SOMETHING.

YEAH. AND IT'S SLIDING, RIGHT? [INAUDIBLE] NO, THAT WOULD BE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT URBAN REVITALIZATION.

YEAH. NO, THIS WOULD BE THE 65% REBATE FOR THE 14 YEARS UNTIL THEY HIT THE $3.668.

WHICHEVER COMES FIRST, YEAH WHICHEVER COMES FIRST.

AND AT THE END OF THAT TIF PERIOD, WE'RE COLLECTING 100% OF THE PROPERTY TAXES OFF OF THAT.

AND THAT'S THAT'S I DIDN'T SEE THAT PROJECTED IN HERE.

WHAT IS THAT NUMBER? I DON'T REMEMBER.

OKAY. I DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE IN THE RFP FOR THIS ONE OR THEIR PRESENTATION, I SHOULD SAY.

YEAH, I CAN'T REMEMBER BECAUSE NOT ALL OF THEM PROVIDED THEIR MINIMUM ASSESSED VALUES.

THEY KIND OF SAID, WE'RE GOING TO DO A TOTAL PROJECT COST AT THIS.

SO I DIDN'T PUT THAT NUMBER IN THERE.

ONCE WE HAVE THE FINAL ONES AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

SO THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE ALL THOSE NUMBERS.

SO THIS IS A MORE QUALITY PROJECT THAN THAT HORSESHOE PIECE THAT THEY HAVE DOWN THERE IN THE SAME AREA THAT'S ON 4.25 ACRES OF GROUND.

IT'S VALUED AT $24 I THINK 0.2 MILLION.

AND AND IT WOULD IT PAYS ABOUT $560,000 WITH THE ROLLBACK OF OVERALL TAXES.

SO THAT'S THE COUNTY AND THE WESTERN SCHOOL DISTRICT.

SO IT WOULD BE A LITTLE NORTH OF THAT, BUT I COULDN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH.

OKAY. OUR NEXT SITE, WE'RE GOING TO WORK OUR WAY EAST IS THE 30TH AND 1ST AVENUE.

ZONING IS ON HERE.

WE ACTUALLY PROPOSED THAT THEY REZONE THIS PROPERTY SO THEY'LL UNDERSTAND THAT TO OUR MIXED COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL MCR OR R-4 HIGH DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH WOULD BE 40 UNITS PER ACRE.

LAND APPRAISED AT $880,000 AND WE RECEIVED TWO RESPONSES ON THIS ONE.

FIRST RESPONSE IS FROM LOCKWOOD DEVELOPMENT 264 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS WITH A BREAKDOWN THERE, AND THEIR TOTAL PROJECT COST IS AROUND $58 MILLION.

THAT INCLUDES THEIR SOFT COSTS.

JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND ONCE WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE CHOOSING IF WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH LOCKWOOD, THEY'LL GIVE US A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE EXPECTING THEIR ASSESSED

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BUT THEY'RE HOPING TO BE COMPLETED BY 2027.

AND THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, AGAIN, 12 TO 15% OF THE TIF.

AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY SO WE'RE ABLE TO FORGIVE LAND COSTS IN 1ST AVENUE, WHICH WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, ONCE THEY CONSTRUCT.

SO WE CAN BACK INTO THAT NUMBER BASED ON IF YOU DO FOUR PHASES, WE'LL FORGIVE THIS OVER FOUR PHASES OF TIME, THE COST FOR THAT LAND.

ONE, I WAS WONDERING, SINCE WE GOT TWO ON THIS ONE, WHEN YOU SEND OUT THE RFP, IS THE FORGIVABLE LAND IN THERE? WHEN THEY.. DO, THEY KNOW THAT'S AN OPTION? WE PROVIDE A LIST OF ALL THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, AND THAT IS AN INCLUDED OPTION HERE.

SO THIS DEVELOPMENT IS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY IN THE LAND IT WAS GIFTED TO US.

CORRECT. YEAH. SO YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN HERE.

AND IF THAT GETS US A LITTLE BIT LIKE A BETTER DESIGN STANDARD OR THEY'RE MORE IN COMPLIANCE, IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR US TO ASK FOR THINGS IF WE'RE DOING THINGS LIKE THAT. SO YEAH, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS IF THEY, IF IF THEY KNEW BEFORE THEY APPLIED.

CORRECT. THAT WAS THE QUESTION.

YEP. SO THE OTHER ONE THAT CAME IN ON THIS PROPERTY WAS FROM K.C.

KNUDSEN. HE IS PROPOSING A COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, JUST OVER 27,000FT² OF COMMERCIAL BUSINESS SPACE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BLOCK, AND 170 APARTMENTS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, FOR AN APPROXIMATE VALUE OF $48.4 MILLION.

HIS CONSTRUCTION COMPLETION DEADLINE IS A YEAR AFTER, AND HE'S ASKING FOR SIMILAR THINGS [INAUDIBLE] THE TIF, HE HAD A NUMBER IN THERE.

YOU KNOW, OUR, NOTHING AGAINST THE DESIGN, WE THINK IT LOOKS NICE.

WE ARE WORKING WITH K.C.

ON ANOTHER PROJECT, AND IT IS NOT DONE.

SO OUR THOUGHT WAS THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, FROM A DEVELOPMENT TIMELINE PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE NOT SURE THAT HE CAN MAKE IT.

WE BELIEVE THAT LOCKWOOD CAN, AND GET US SOMETHING ON THOSE SITES SIGNIFICANTLY FASTER, WITH PERHAPS LESS ISSUES THAN WE'VE HAD ON THE 34TH STREET SITE.

SO IT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION TO AWARD LOCKWOOD THAT DEVELOPMENT.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? OKAY. THE LAST ONE IS OUR 28TH AND 1ST AVENUE SITE.

AND SO THIS ONE JUST HAS AN ENCUMBRANCE WITH CDBG ON HERE.

SO THIS ONE HAS TO BE AFFORDABLE.

IT HAS TO HAVE 51% OF THE UNITS AT OR BELOW 80% OF THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME.

IT CURRENTLY HAS A PR OVERLAY ON IT FROM WHEN WHITE LOTUS WAS ON THIS SITE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDED TO COME IN WITH THE NEW PROJECT.

TWO AND A HALF ACRES STILL THE 40 UNIT REQUIREMENT AND THE APPRAISED VALUE CAME IN AT $415.

THIS IS THE FOURTH TIME THAT WE HAVE RELEASED THIS RFP.

THE BIG ISSUE THAT FOLKS HAVE HAD IS THEY'VE WANTED TO APPLY FOR LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS.

AND WE STRUGGLE IN OUR 1ST AVENUE CORRIDOR.

LET ME REPHRASE THAT. WE STRUGGLE IN COUNCIL BLUFFS TO GET WORKFORCE OR LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS.

THIS IS NOT IN A QUALIFIED CENSUS TRACT, SO IT DOESN'T GET EXTRA POINTS.

AND IT JUST HAS BEEN A BIT OF A BEAR FOR US TO GET ANYTHING HAPPENING HERE.

SO HOPPE DEVELOPMENT OUT OF LINCOLN SUBMITTED A DESIGN THAT MEETS THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO IN FOR LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS.

THEY'RE WANTING TO PUT IN 89 UNITS, WHICH IS JUST SHY OF WHAT WE WOULD REQUIRE FOR THE 40 UNIT PER ACRE.

BUT THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN ABOUT A $19 MILLION PROJECT, 18.5.

THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING SOMETHING A SMIDGE DIFFERENT.

THEY DO NOT WANT TIF THEY WOULD LIKE URBAN REVITALIZATION, THE 10 YEAR 100% ABATEMENT.

AND I THINK THAT WE'RE SEEING THAT COME IN MORE COMMON WITH OUR LARGER MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.

SO THIS WILL BE THE SECOND ONE THAT'S REQUESTED THAT VERSUS GOING THROUGH THE TIF PROGRAM.

AND JUST SO THAT FOLKS UNDERSTAND IT'S ON YOUR INITIAL INVESTMENT.

SO IF THEY PUT IN $17 MILLION OR THEIR ASSESSED VALUE OF $17 MILLION IN YEAR ONE, THEY GET THE 10%, THE 100% ABATEMENT ON THE 10 YEARS ON THAT $17 MILLION.

IF THE ASSESSOR COMES BACK AND SAYS, OKAY, WELL, NOW IT'S WORTH $20 MILLION, THEY HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON THAT $3 MILLION.

THEY DON'T GET THAT PIECE FORGIVEN ALONG WITH OTHER ABATEMENT.

SO THERE IS SOME BENEFIT TO GOING THIS ROUTE.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE INTO IT.

AND THEN THE NEXT DAY IT'LL GO UP TO $19.5 BECAUSE IT'LL HAVE APPRECIATED BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.

AND THEN IN 10 YEARS WHEN IT'S WORTH $27, BECAUSE IT'LL HAVE GONE UP AT WHATEVER THE RATE IS AT THAT POINT, THEY'LL WE'LL STILL GET THE TAX FROM THAT $10 MILLION OF INCREASE.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

NOW IN THE EVENT WE DO IT PERCENTAGE BASED, IT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION? CORRECT. IT'S IRRELEVANT TO THE ASSESSMENT BECAUSE IT'S A PERCENTAGE, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. WE WOULD AGREE TO THE PERCENTAGE OF REBATE THAT THEY WOULD PAY AND GIVE BACK.

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SURE. SO THEY WANT THE CONSISTENCY OF, OF MOSTLY UNDERSTANDING WHERE THEIR TAXES ARE GOING TO FALL AND HOW MUCH THEY'RE GOING TO BE REBATED BACK VERSUS OR ABATED, I SHOULD SAY, VERSUS THE REBATE SIDE.

THEY ARE ALSO ASKING FOR OUR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT FUNDS.

IN THIS AREA WE JUST PASSED AT THE LAST MEETING ON OUR URBAN RENEWAL PLAN TO ALLOW OURSELVES TO LOAN OURSELVES OUR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT FUNDS, SO WE WOULD BE WOULD BE ABLE TO REPLENISH THAT ACCOUNT SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.

THE OTHER THING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 1ST AVENUE, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S TRANSIT THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN THERE, BUT TIMELINE WISE WE'RE NOT SURE WHEN THAT WILL BE.

SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING A PUMP TRACK AS A COMMUNITY AMENITY THAT THEY WOULD MANAGE, AND THAT WOULD BE PUBLIC SPACE THAT FOLKS COULD COME AS THEY'RE RIDING BIKES DOWN THE TRAIL, THEY COULD HOP OFF RIGHT ON THE PUMP TRACK AND THEN HOP BACK ON.

AND SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD TAKE, IT WOULD BE A TEMPORARY ONE, SO THAT ONCE THE TRANSIT'S COMING THROUGH, THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE IT.

THIS SITE, THE JUST TO GIVE FOLKS A LITTLE BIT OF COMFORT, CURRENTLY DOES NOT MEET OUR DESIGN STANDARDS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM ON MATERIALS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS OUR WEST BROADWAY OVERLAY REQUIREMENTS.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT ON THIS THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE MATERIALS AND THE DURABLES THAT WE NEED.

SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS ONE AS WELL.

WHEN THINGS COME BACK, THEY'LL STILL HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH AND WE'LL HAVE TO APPROVE THEN ALL OF THOSE THOSE PIECES.

CORRECT? YEP. OKAY.

AND YOU SAID THIS IS THE FOURTH TIME WE'VE PUT THIS ONE UP.

THIS THIS IS THE FOURTH DEVELOPER THAT WE'VE TRIED TO GET MOVING FORWARD.

AND IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE NOT GOING AFTER THE UNICORN THAT THE LAST THREE HAVE TRIED.

YES. OKAY.

SO THE OTHER THING IS THAT THEIR MIX OF UNITS, THEY'RE TRYING TO SHOOT FOR 50% AND 60% MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME, BUT THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING MARKET RATE.

SO IT WILL NOT BE A FULL AFFORDABLE TYPE PRODUCT.

IT WILL HAVE A MIXED INCOME.

THEY'RE ASKING FOR SOME OF OUR HOME FUNDS.

WE DID TALK TO OMAHA ABOUT THAT.

AND OMAHA IS ON BOARD WITH US, BORROWING AHEAD OF OUR HOME ACCOUNT SO THAT WE COULD MAKE SURE THIS PROJECT WOULD HAPPEN SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD.

THIS ONE'S GETTING A LOT.

I MEAN, 10 YEAR ABATEMENT, 100%, $2 MILLION FROM THE FUND.

WE PUT TOGETHER HOME FUNDS 10% 10 YEARS ZERO INTEREST LOAN.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT TO THIS.

I GUESS, IS IT FAIR TO ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPERS? LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO FEEL LIKE WE'RE GIVING THIS.

I KNOW THE LOT. IT'S NOT THE DEVELOPERS, THE LOT, BUT IT'S JUST THIS IS A LOT TO GIVE SOMEBODY I FEEL LIKE.

YEAH. AND THE REAL PROBLEM IS THAT WE HAVE THE WE HAVE THE CDBG FUNDS IN HERE, AND WE HAVE IT INCOME BASED, AND WE HAVE STRUGGLED WITH ANY KIND OF DEVELOPER THAT'S INTERESTED IN DOING A PRODUCT THAT ACCOMMODATES THE AFFORDABILITY REQUIREMENT.

THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO DO IT. THEY DON'T WANT IT TIED TO IT.

THEY WANT IT, IF THEY ARE THEY WANT THE TAX CREDITS.

AND WE HAVE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL MAKING IT HAPPEN WITH THE THREE PREVIOUS DEVELOPERS.

AND I THINK THAT IF WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT DEVELOPING ON 1ST AVENUE AND THIS DEVELOPER HAS SAID I CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND I DON'T NEED THE TAX CREDITS. IN MY OPINION, IT'S A IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GET MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE MIX THAT WE WANT AS WELL ON 1ST AVENUE.

OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SIT ON THIS AND AT SOME POINT HUD IS GOING TO BE LIKE, WHY HAVEN'T YOU PERFORMED ON THIS PROPERTY? YOU'VE HELD THIS FOR 10 PLUS YEARS AND YOU HAVE NO YOU HAVE NO OUTCOMES TO REPORT ON THIS.

SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO MOVE THIS FORWARD? WHEN WE WERE PUTTING TOGETHER THESE INCENTIVE FUNDS, WE TALKED TO THE SOUTHWEST IOWA FOUNDATION AND THEY WERE ONE OF THE THEY, ALONG WITH IOS FOUNDATION, BOUGHT SOME DILAPIDATED PROPERTY ON BROADWAY AND GAVE IT TO THE CITY.

AND SO WE ASKED SOUTHWEST IOWA FOUNDATION, WILL YOU PUT SOME MONEY INTO THIS PROGRAM THAT WE CAN INCENT DEVELOPERS TO BUILD HOUSES? AND THEIR RESPONSE WAS, WE GAVE YOU THAT LAND IN 2014 AND YOU'VE DONE NOTHING WITH IT, AND SO NO.

AND SO IT'S AGAIN BEEN SITTING THERE FOR 10 YEARS, NOT GENERATING ANYTHING.

IT'S MAYBE TIME TO GET THE CLOCK TICKING.

60 AND SOME MARKET RATE.

BUT THEN THERE'S DISCUSSION DOWN BELOW OF 51% OF THESE UNITS MUST BE RENTED TO INCOME QUALIFIED HOUSES AT OR BELOW 80%.

YEAH. SO 51% OF THEIR UNITS HAVE TO MEET THE AT OR BELOW 80% OF THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME IS WHAT THAT MEANS.

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CORRECT. ORIGINALLY BECAUSE IT WAS.

OKAY. SO NO MATTER WHAT WE DO WORSE.

NEVER MIND. WELL I MEAN, IT'S LIKE THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG, I GUESS.

SHOULD WE MAYBE NOT USE CDBG FUNDS MAYBE. BUT I MEAN, IF WE IF WE USE CDBG FUNDS THEN WE CAN'T GET THE PROJECTS WITHOUT GIVING 100% ABATEMENT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T USE CDBG FUNDS SPEAKERS]. THE THING IS, WE ALREADY DID.

YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE PRETTY CHOOSY WITH WHERE WE PUT OUR BLOCK GRANT DOLLARS.

SO IT'S THIS LOT, THIS IS THE ONLY LOT ON 1ST AVENUE THAT HAS OUR BLOCK GRANT DOLLARS.

WE HAVE THE BATTERY FACTORY SITE, WHICH AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT REALLY CAN SUPPORT THE AFFORDABILITY.

AND WE HAVE EAST MANAWA, WHICH WE'VE ALSO BEEN CHOOSY ABOUT, THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE CDBG IN THAT UNTIL OUR PHASE THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT NEXT.

OTHERWISE THERE'S NONE IN THAT LOT.

SO EVEN THOUGH AND WE DID HILLSIDE, HILLSIDE HAD IT IN THERE TO MEET THAT AFFORDABILITY.

WE ARE REALLY PICKY ABOUT WHERE WE DO THAT BECAUSE OF THIS EXACT REASON.

WE DON'T WANT TO ENCUMBER IT.

AND FIGURING OUT HOW DO WE HOW DO WE REPAY THOSE.

BIGGER SWATHS OF LAND THAT HAVE THAT IS UNDER THE VIADUCT, WHICH WE USED IT FOR SLUM AND BLIGHT AND DOING THE CLEANUP.

IT STILL HAS THE QUALIFICATIONS.

IT DOES. AND WHEN WE'RE READY TO DO SOMETHING DOWN THERE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EVALUATE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

BUT AS FAR AS FOR HOUSING SPECIFIC AREAS, THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES WE HAVE OUR CDBG FUNDS IN, OTHER THAN THE ONESIE/TWOSIES THAT WE HAVE AROUND, A LOT OF IT'S REHAB, A LOT OF IT'S OUR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS. AND THE OTHER SPORADIC THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.

I GUESS WE NEED ALL THESE PROJECTS, WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IS ALL OF THIS, YOU KNOW, THE 15% TIF, THE $2 MILLION, THE 10% OR THE 10 YEAR INTEREST FREE LOAN, IS THAT BEING PASSED ON TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO RENT THESE PLACES? I MEAN, SOME OF IT IS BECAUSE ESPECIALLY THIS ONE WITH THE WITH, YOU KNOW, 80%, 51%, 51% BEING BELOW 80%.

BUT SOME OF THESE OTHER ONES, I GUESS I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW TO LOOK AT IT.

RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE NOT I'M NOT A FINANCE EXPERT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE SOMEBODY'S NOT.

IT'S BEING PASSED ON.

RIGHT. WE'RE GIVING A LOT OF FUNDS TO A LOT OF PROJECTS, AND IT'S GOT THE RENT HAS GOT TO BE PASSED ON THE RENT TO SOME OF THESE PEOPLE, RIGHT? YEAH, I WOULD THINK OF IT MORE AS ON THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE, THESE PROJECTS AREN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.

THE HOUSING IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BUT FOR US PUTTING IN THESE, THESE DOLLARS.

SO WHETHER YOU'RE CONSIDERING IT PASSED ON OR JUST BEING ABLE TO GIVE THEM HOUSING OPTIONS IS HOW I WOULD LOOK AT IT.

WE'RE GIVING PEOPLE HOUSING OPTIONS BY MAKING SURE THESE PROJECTS HAPPEN.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO FIT IN SO THAT EVERYONE CAN AFFORD UNITS IN THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF AREAS.

BUT IF WE DON'T GIVE THE TIF, IF WE DON'T GIVE THE REBATE OR THE EXTRA DOLLARS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE ANYTHING HAPPEN.

SO WE CAN HAVE THE HOUSING AND WE CAN SUPPLEMENT TO THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE IT, OR WE CAN BASICALLY JUST SIT ON IT FOR LONGER AND HOPE THAT THE COSTS COME DOWN, WHICH THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE CONTINUOUSLY INTERESTED IN COUNCIL BLUFFS, EVEN THOUGH WE DECLINE THEIR OFFERS WHEN THEY COME TO US.

YEAH, I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL.

ALL THESE PROJECTS ARE GOOD PROJECTS.

I JUST DON'T KNOW, I UNDERSTAND, I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND.

I MEAN, I SPENT YOU KNOW, WE ALL DID WE SPENT MULTIPLE HOURS LOOKING AT THIS STUFF AND IT'S LIKE, IS IT THE RIGHT CHOICE? RIGHT. I MEAN, THESE ARE BIG DECISIONS.

AND WE, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS SPEND MORE TIME THAN WE DO LOOKING AT IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THESE PROJECTS FOR MONTHS, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST SINCE SEPTEMBER WHEN THE RFP CAME OUT COME, COME AROUND. YEAH.

SIMILAR. WE JUST FINISHED GETTING THROUGH THE CHEAPEST MONEY HISTORICALLY AVAILABLE IN US HISTORY, AND WE COULDN'T GET SOMEONE TO JUMP ON BOARD WITH SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.

AND I AND I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME, BUT IN THE GRAND SCHEME, 10 YEARS IS REALLY QUICK.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT JUST SAYING, OH MY GOSH, 10 YEARS AWAY, IT GOES SO FAST WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE DEVELOPMENTS, AND THEY ARE GOING TO INCREASE IN VALUE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ATTRACT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL TAX BASE THAT'S GOING TO COME INTO COUNCIL BLUFFS.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S PAYING TAXES ON 1ST AVENUE RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S VACANT IN RIVER'S EDGE THAT'S PAYING TAXES RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S CITY OWNED.

SO THE MORE THAT WE GET ON THE BENEFIT IS TO EVERYONE IN COUNCIL BLUFFS AS WELL, JUST FROM THE TAX BASE PERSPECTIVE.

AND THEN THE LOCKWOOD PROJECT LOOKS REALLY NICE.

THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING IN TOWN, RIGHT.

THAT'S NEW. NO, NO, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT INITIALLY WERE LOOKING AT THE 34TH.

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AND THEN HE WENT TO OMAHA TO DO CROSSROADS.

AND KREJCI, HIS PARTNER DIED.

AND SO I THINK HE'S OFF THE CROSSROADS DEAL AND REFOCUSING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE RFPS? OKAY. EAST MANAWA.

SO THE OTHER THING ON YOUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT IS THE APPROVAL OF OUR APPLICATION TO THE EAST MANAWA, PHASE ONE IDA GRANT THAT WE ARE APPLYING FOR.

AND A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO, WE SELECTED JARED AS OUR BUILDER.

SO THANKS, JARED, FOR STICKING AROUND FOR A FEW MINUTES AFTER OUR OTHER MEETING.

JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT THE GRANT ITSELF.

IT IS SPECIFIC TO LOW AND MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS, AND ORIGINALLY WE HAVE NOT EVEN THOUGH WE WERE IMPACTED BY THE 2019 DISASTER WHERE THIS MONEY ORIGINALLY CAME FROM, WE WERE NOT ELIGIBLE UNTIL THIS ROUND.

SO HOW THE STATE STRUCTURED THINGS, IT'S FINALLY SOMETHING THAT'S COME AVAILABLE TO US.

RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE ABOUT $8 MILLION.

THEY'RE EXPECTING ADDITIONAL COMMUNITIES TO HAVE TO RETURN FUNDS.

SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT MY BUDGET, JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.

WE'RE PLANNING FOR SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS WILL COME IN THE FUTURE.

AND EVERYTHING HAS TO BE COMPLETED BY JULY OF 26, THAT INCLUDES THE HOUSE SALES.

SO THIS PROGRAM IS OWNER OCCUPANCY ONLY.

EACH APPLICATION CAN SUBMIT UP TO 40 UNITS, AND 7% OF THOSE HAVE TO GO TO OR BE AVAILABLE TO FAMILIES THAT HAVE ACCESSIBILITY NEEDS.

AND WE'RE ABLE TO APPLY FOR ABOUT $255,000 PER UNIT, AND WHICH IS A LOT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR.

ALL THE HOUSES HAVE TO BE 80% OF THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME SOLD.

AND THEN THEY HAVE TO SELL THEM FOR $175,000.

SO THERE'S $125,000 CONSTRUCTION OFFSET.

JUST TO KEEP THAT IN MIND SO THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE AFFORDABILITY AVAILABLE TO THE INCOMES THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SERVE, AND THEY HAVE TO LIVE THERE FOR 5 YEARS, AND THEN THAT'S FORGIVEN.

INCOME QUALIFICATION INFORMATION.

SO 80% OF THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME, I PROVIDED THOSE UP THERE FOR YOU.

THEY HAVE TO QUALIFY FOR A FIRST MORTGAGE FROM CONVENTIONAL FINANCING OR A CONVENTIONAL BANK, I SHOULD SAY.

CREDIT UNIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE AVAILABLE.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CREDIT SCORE OF 640.

THAT'S OUR RULE. IT'S NOT THE STATE RULE.

WE THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT.

IN OUR CURRENT PROGRAM THAT WE'D LIKE TO CARRY THAT OVER.

AND LIKE I SAID, THEY HAVE TO LIVE THERE FOR 5 YEARS.

AND IN THIS PROGRAM YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE UP TO A $500 EARNEST DEPOSIT.

OUR CURRENT PROGRAM IS $1,000, BUT IT DOESN'T ALLOW US TO GO UP TO THAT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THEIR RULES ON THIS ONE.

SO WE'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THAT SOUTHERLY CONNECTION.

AND WHAT WE'RE APPLYING FOR IS THE CONNECTION FROM MOHAWK TO EAST MANAWA, THE SOUTHERLY, WHICH IS ABOUT 200, 2500FT OF INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS.

AND THEN THIS ACTUALLY SHOWS AN ATTACHED PROJECT OF TWO UNITS ATTACHED.

WE'RE PROPOSING A FOUR UNIT ATTACHED TO MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN ON THERE.

THE FOCUS IS GOING TO BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE ONLY.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY AT THIS POINT.

WE JUST WANT TO FOCUS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, AND JARED IS COMMITTED TO THE 40 UNITS, AS LONG AS WE CAN GET THE FUNDING UP TO THAT AMOUNT.

SO SORRY, THIS IS A LITTLE SMALL.

I SHOULD HAVE CUT OFF MY LOCAL MATCH COLUMN.

SO WE ARE APPLYING FOR $9.225 MILLION FROM THE STATE OF IOWA.

$1.6 OF THAT WILL BE FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS.

I HAVE SOME CDBG FUNDS THAT WE NEED TO THAT WE'VE ALREADY ALLOCATED TO THE SITE, AS WELL AS OUR EDI GRANT, WHICH IS THE LEFTOVER MONEY THAT WE HAD FROM OUR AWARD FROM OUR FORMER CONGRESSWOMAN AXNE'S OFFICE THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US OF $900 AND SOME ODD THOUSAND.

SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT LEFT OVER THAT WE'D LIKE TO SPEND THERE.

AND THEN WE ARE APPLYING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OFFSET, THE, THE MAXIMUM THAT WE CAN.

THESE UNITS ARE ALSO HAVE A MITIGATION PIECE TO IT, UP TO $25,000.

AND THAT IS GOING TO GO TOWARDS STORM SHELTERS IN EACH OF THE UNITS.

SO THAT NUMBER RIGHT THERE IS A LITTLE BIT UP IN THE AIR WITH THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION NUMBER IS, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT, WE'LL HAVE IT SOLIDIFIED BEFORE THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED. EACH HOUSEHOLD GETS UP TO $35,000.

EXCUSE ME. THEY GET $35,000 IN DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.

AND THEN WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE FEE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THE UNDERWRITING AND ALL OF THAT PIECE.

THE LAST THING IN THERE IS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE ADMINISTRATION THAT WE'LL TAKE FOR OUR STAFF TIME.

SO WE'RE GETTING ABOUT $225,000 STAFF ALLOCATED TIME.

AND THEN THE REST OF IT IS GOING TO GO TOWARDS THE PROJECT ITSELF.

STORM SHELTERS ARE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWING BASEMENTS.

CORRECT. AND THESE UNITS WILL COUNT TOWARDS THAT 51% REQUIRED WITHIN THE EAST MANAWA DEVELOPMENT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

YEP. WHICH IS PART OF OUR ARPA REQUIREMENTS TOO.

ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS WHAT OUR HOUSE PLAN LOOKS LIKE.

AND SO THE END UNITS ARE SINGLE STORY TWO BEDROOM TWO BATH MOBILE UNITS ARE THREE BEDROOM TWO BATH.

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AND THEN LIKE I SAID, THEY'LL HAVE A STORM SHELTER, WHICH IS ACTUALLY AT THE BACK OF THE GARAGE.

JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE FLOOR PLAN LOOKS LIKE.

AND THEN THE UPPER IN THE MIDDLE.

SO. AND THEN, JODI, I MIGHT NEED YOUR HELP.

OH, WE'LL SEE IF I CAN DO IT.

[VIDEO] SO SINCE THESE ARE GOING TO BE ON INDIVIDUAL LOTS, FOLKS WOULD BE ABLE TO FENCE THEIR YARDS IF THEY WANT TO.

THEY'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN YARD MAINTENANCE.

THEY WILL HAVE A HOA OVER THIS SPECIFIC SITE.

AND THAT'S ONLY SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING REGIONAL STORMWATER DETENTION.

SO THEY'LL HAVE TO HAVE THEIR PIECE PAYING FOR THAT AS WELL.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO LET ME ADVANCE, JODI.

WE'LL SEE IF IT PLAYS IT AGAIN.

OH, NOPE. [VIDEO] THIS IS THE ONE STORY.

OH. TOO FAR. THERE WE GO.

ALL RIGHT, SO APPLICATION IS DUE NOVEMBER 30TH.

IT'S OUR INTENT TO SUBMIT IT BEFORE THANKSGIVING.

NONE OF US WANT TO WORK ON FRIDAY OR EXCUSE ME, SATURDAY.

WE SHOULD FIND OUT IN MID-DECEMBER.

IF WE'RE QUALIFIED, WE'LL START INCOME QUALIFIED INCOME QUALIFYING FAMILIES RIGHT AWAY.

OR AT LEAST ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS SO THAT WE MAKE SURE WE HAVE A GOOD POOL.

JARED AND I WERE TALKING, WE WANTED A POOL OF ABOUT 50 UNDERSTANDING THAT FOLKS ARE GOING TO FALL OFF.

AND THE SALE OF THE HOUSE HAS TO BE DONE AT JULY OF 26.

SO IT'S NOT JUST WE HAVE THE UNITS CONSTRUCTED, THEY HAVE TO BE INCOME QUALIFIED AND SOLD BY THAT DATE.

THE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL BEGIN SPRING OF 25.

THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE HOUSE CONSTRUCTION, WE'RE WORKING OUT WHEN EXACTLY THAT WILL START AND THEN WE'LL BE DONE BY JULY OF 26, AS REQUIRED BY THE GRANT.

ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

REVIEW AGENDA. ANYTHING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA?

[B.  Review Agenda]

I JUST HAD A CLARIFYING QUESTION? ON CHIEF DAVIS ON YOUR ADDING THE POSITION.

IS THEY'RE ABOLISHING A POSITION AT THE SAME TIME? MOST OF THE TIME IT SAYS THAT IN THERE, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE DOING IT CORRECTLY.

I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T DONE MANY OF THESE [INAUDIBLE].

YEAH. THE INTENT IS THAT THE IT WOULD BE DONE OUT OF THE EXISTING ALLOCATION AND THAT THERE FROM AN HR TRANSACTION STANDPOINT, THERE WOULD BE AN ASSOCIATED ABOLISHMENT.

I'M STILL KIND OF LEARNING THE NEW LANGUAGE OF THE CITY AS OPPOSED TO MY OLD LANGUAGE.

THE, THE OVERALL ALLOCATION NUMBER WOULDN'T CHANGE.

AND WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S MORE THAN ONE OBVIOUSLY, POLICE OFFICER TITLE.

SO THE POLICE OFFICER TITLE WOULD NOT BE ABOLISHED.

WE WOULD JUST BE YOU KNOW, TAKING ONE OF THOSE HEADCOUNT AND REALIGNING IT AS A, AS A SERGEANT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

THAT DOES MAKE SENSE.

OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS, DO WE, MICHELLE, MAYBE DOES IT NEED TO SAY THAT?

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DOES IT NEED TO SAY ANYTHING DIFFERENT IN THE RESOLUTION? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT RIGHT AND DON'T HAVE TO BRING IT BACK AGAIN.

SO WHEN I RECEIVED THE RESOLUTION FROM CHIEF DAVIS, I REACHED OUT TO LEGAL AND ASKED IF WE CAN PROCEED, KNOWING THAT THAT WAS WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, WE WOULD ABOLISH A POSITION AND ADD A SERGEANT FOR HIM.

SO HE'S GOOD? YEAH. SO HIS HEAD COUNT IS GOING TO REMAIN THE SAME.

PERFECT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE TO BRING IT BACK.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ANYWHERE ON THE AGENDA? THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS LAST MEETING ON ITEM 6A, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WERE CONTINUED OR ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THAT ITEM.

I GOT A QUESTION.

GO FOR IT.

WELL, I ASKED COURTNEY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ENFORCEMENT.

AND SO. THE PLANNING CODE COMPLIANCE TEAM DID PULL SOME NUMBERS ABOUT HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING ON ENFORCEMENT.

AND FROM 22 TO 24 CURRENT AS OF WHATEVER, NOVEMBER 13TH, WHEN CHRIS PULLED THESE NUMBERS.

WE HAD APPROXIMATELY FROM SIGN VIOLATION CASES, 56%, WHICH IS ABOUT 18% OF OUR TOTAL CODE COMPLIANCE CASES AND COMPLIANCE, VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE.

I MEAN, LIKE WITHOUT WRITING A CITATION, WE HAVE A 99.95% SUCCESS RATE.

WE ALSO ON THE WEEDS, WE HAD ABOUT 15,000, ALMOST 16,000 WEED CASES THAT WE HEARD.

WE ONLY WROTE 20 CITATIONS.

AND WE DID HAVE SO THAT'S ABOUT A 99.9.

SO I'M GOING TO BACK UP FOR A SECOND.

WE DO HAVE ZONING VIOLATIONS, THAT IS ABOUT 300.

OF THOSE WE'VE WRITTEN 2 ILLEGAL SIGN CITATIONS.

THE REST WERE FOR ZONING ENFORCEMENT, WHICH IS 14.

SO OVERALL, WE GET REALLY GREAT COMPLIANCE WITH OUR TEAM SENDING LETTERS, WORKING WITH THEM DIRECTLY WITHOUT HAVING TO DO THE CITATIONS BASED ON THE CODE THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.

SO ONE OF THE PREMISES OF WHY WE NEEDED TO CHANGE IS THAT THAT WE HAVE A LAW WERE NOT ENFORCING WHICH WE WOULD DISPUTE.

YEAH. WHEN I GO...

AND I SPENT SOME TIME THIS WEEKEND ACTUALLY THESE PAST TWO WEEKENDS DRIVING AROUND DIFFERENT PARTS THAT WERE REFERENCED AS FAR AS LIKE SPENCER OR STUFF LIKE THAT, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WAS OUT, UP, GOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY GOING INTO THE HOLIDAY TIME.

SO I THINK I'M GOOD FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

WHEN I LOOK AT THE RED LINE VERSIONS.

[INAUDIBLE] I DON'T SEE ANY RED LINE.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THERE ISN'T A RED LINE ATTACHED.

I DON'T SEE ONE EITHER.

WE'LL HAVE. THIS ACTUALLY CAME FROM LEGAL.

SO IF YOU WANT THE RED LINE VERSION, WE'LL HAVE TO GET IT FOR YOU.

I DON'T THINK I HAVE IT HANDY, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU GET IT.

WHEN YOU UPLOAD IT, WHEN IT CHANGES IT TO A PDF, I THINK IT TAKES THAT OUT.

SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WE EITHER HAVE TO SCAN IT DIFFERENTLY OR SO WE CAN WORK TO SEND THOSE OUT.

WE CAN GET IT FOR YOU BEFORE THE MEETING TONIGHT.

I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT.

I WAS GOING THROUGH IT TODAY AND I'M GOING, WAIT A MINUTE.

MAKE SURE YOU GET IT.

PUT IT BACK, TO PUT IT AWAY.

YEAH, I, I WOULD JUST SAY MY ONLY COMMENT TO THAT IS IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY HARD FOR US TO ENFORCE BECAUSE OUR HOURS ARE 8 TO 5.

AND IF YOUR BUSINESS IS OPEN UNTIL 6, 10, 12, WHATEVER THE AMOUNT THE TIME IS.

I WILL NOT HAVE STAFF TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO GET CALLS SO AND SO DIDN'T DO THIS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ENFORCE ON SOMETHING.

IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT.

WELL YOU WOULD GET THE SAME CALL TODAY IF THEY PUT IT OUT AT 6:00 TONIGHT AND THERE'S NOBODY TO ENFORCE IT.

RIGHT? CORRECT.

EXCEPT RIGHT NOW IT'S HEY, WE DON'T ALLOW THOSE.

JUST SO YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE THOSE SIGNAGE UP.

AND WE'RE ABLE TO GET THE VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE MOST OF THE TIME THAT WAY.

IF WE'RE ALLOWING IT AND SOMEBODY SAYS, WELL, THEY JUST DON'T TAKE IT DOWN AND YOU'RE JUST NOT SEEING IT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT IS ABLE TO CHECK THAT AT ODD HOURS.

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SO ON ON ONE END OF ADMINISTRATION, ET-CETERA IS WE'LL HAVE HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE DOING INTAKE OF THESE NEW APPLICATIONS, PERHAPS EVEN GOING OUT TO CONFIRM THAT THEY EXIST OR, OR ARE BEING APPLIED PER THE PERMIT THAT WAS APPLIED FOR.

AND THEN WE'LL ON THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE OF THINGS, ONCE PEOPLE START TO SEE MORE AND MORE OF THESE SIGNS OUT THERE, THEY WILL INNOCENTLY START PUTTING MORE, OTHER BUSINESSES, ETC. WILL START PUTTING MORE SIGNAGE OUT THERE AND THEY WILL NOT HAVE THE PERMITS.

SO THEN WE'RE SENDING PEOPLE OUT TO THESE MORE THAN LIKELY INNOCENT BUSINESSES THAT ARE NOT AWARE OF THE PERMIT.

NOW WE'RE SENDING THEM ENFORCEMENT LETTERS, AND I DON'T THINK THIS DOES WELL FOR US IN TERMS OF GOODWILL WITH OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE EITHER, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING THE PERMITS FOR THE TEMPORARY SIGNAGE OR WE'RE ENFORCING ON PEOPLE THAT ARE PLACING PERMANENT SIGNAGE OUT THERE THAT DIDN'T GET THE PERMIT.

I THINK IF IF THERE'S IF THE THE MAIN DESIRE HERE IS TO FIND WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO FORMALIZE WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING FROM A CODE ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT ON GRAND OPENINGS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

THEN LET'S LOOK AT THAT PART OF THE CODE AND NOT CREATE A WHOLE NEW ADMINISTRATIVE NIGHTMARE THAT THAT DOESN'T DO MUCH FOR THE CITY.

IT CREATES MORE BURDEN ON STAFF, MAYBE EVEN REQUIRES MORE STAFF, AND DOESN'T DO MUCH TO HELP OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH BUSINESSES. I'D PIGGYBACK ON THAT AND JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, BASED OFF OF THE NUMBERS WE WERE JUST PROVIDED AND I KNOW WE JUST RECEIVED THEM, BUT IT TO ME, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO CHANGE THE POLICY FOR TWO ILLEGAL SIGNAGE ISSUES.

THE POLICY IS WORKING.

THE STAFF IS DOING THEIR JOB.

OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS ARE WHEN WE REACH OUT TO THEM, THEY'RE BEING RESPECTFUL AND AND SAYING, YEP, MY BAD, I WILL TAKE THEM DOWN.

TO ME, THIS JUST SEEMS LIKE A WHOLE LOT OF WORK FOR TWO SIGNAGE ISSUES.

WELL, THERE WAS 56 SIGN VIOLATIONS, NOT TWO.

THERE WAS TWO CITATIONS ISSUED.

TOTAL SIGNAGE. YEAH, RIGHT.

56 56 BUT THEY, THEY'RE IN VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE.

CORRECT. SO IT SHOWS US ALMOST 60 DIFFERENT ATTEMPTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO USE THIS TO HELP FURTHER THEIR BUSINESS.

SO THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A NEED OR A WANT, A PERCEIVED NEED OR WANT FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO DO THIS.

YEAH. SEE I'M SEEING THE OPPOSITE, OF WHAT YOU THINK IT'S A DETRIMENT, I THINK IT'S AN ASSET TO THEM.

LIKE YOU'RE SAYING IT'S WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET GOODWILL WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

I THINK WE ARE. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WELL, THE THE OTHER WHOLE END OF IT IS, IS JUST THE, THE ESTHETICS AND THE PERCEPTION OF OUR COMMUNITY.

ONCE ONCE YOU OPEN THIS WIDE OPEN EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS THAT GETS THE THE BANNERS ARE SIGNED FROM CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS COMES IN, YOU KNOW, MY MY LOAN PLACE OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.

THEY'LL THEY'LL PUT THEIR, THEIR SIGNAGE OUT.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD REFLECTION OF OUR COMMUNITY.

A LOT OF THAT SIGNAGE, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR HIGH WINDS, THE WEATHER THAT WE HAVE HERE, THAT STUFF BLOWS EVENTUALLY OUT INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY, GETS INTO OUR STORM SEWER, IT GETS OUT INTO TRAFFIC AREAS, AND NO ONE PICKS IT UP.

SO I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO PROCEED WITH, WE NEED A DEFINITION OF TEMPORARY.

IS THAT HOW MANY DAYS, HOW MANY CONSECUTIVE DAYS? HOW MANY TIMES A YEAR? JUST SO THAT WE CAN SET THE PARAMETERS, WE IT NEEDS TO BE PRETTY SPECIFIC AS TO THE TIME SO THAT WE CAN RELAY THAT, IF THAT IS THE INTENT.

AND THAT WAS THE OPINION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT IT WAS UNENFORCEABLE.

CORRECT. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE STAFF.

YOU'RE TRACKING IF YOU GET IT.

BUT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE TRACKING IT.

IT'S COMPLAINT BASED. RIGHT? ONCE WE ALLOW IT, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE MORE.

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I MEAN, THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT THAT THE COST WILL COME BACK TO THE TAXPAYERS.

WE'RE ENFORCING IT NOW, AND PEOPLE ARE DOING IT NOW THOUGH, LIKE IT'S BEING USED.

AND YES, WE HAD TWO THAT DIDN'T TWO CITATIONS THAT GOT CITATIONS.

BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW IS WE WILL GIVE SOME GRACE WHEN IT COMES TO, SAY, A GRAND OPENING.

BUT THEN IF YOU'VE ALREADY OPENED OR YOU'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS AND YOU CHOOSE TO TRY AND DO THE SAME THING AS THE GUY THAT JUST OPENED ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU, WE'RE SAYING, NO, YOU DON'T GET TO DO THAT, BUT IT'S NOT IN ANY SORT OF CODE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

WE'RE SAYING IT'S OPEN TO INTERPRETATION OR OPEN TO INTERPRETATION AND THEN ADMINISTRATIVELY.

WHAT THAT LEADS TO IS A IS A POSSIBILITY FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE A CASE THAT THEY'VE BEEN UNJUSTLY SOME SORT OF PREJUDICE AGAINST THEIR BUSINESS VERSUS THE GUY PERHAPS ACROSS THE STREET. AND I'M JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.

BUT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING.

I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE IT SO THAT IT IS PRETTY CUT AND DRY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

HOWEVER IT IS, WE DO HAVE THERE'S 60 DIFFERENT TIMES ALMOST, WHERE SOMEONE HAD PUT SIGNAGE OUT.

I WOULD SAY THAT THAT WOULD DENOTE SOME SORT OF OF, YOU KNOW, WANTING FOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO DO THAT. IN GIVING A BY ALLOWING SOMEONE TO GET A PERMIT TO USE SIGNAGE, AT LEAST IT CAPTURES SOME FUNDING INTO THE CITY AND LETS US KNOW WHO'S DOING WHAT.

SAME AS WHAT WE HAVE WHEN YOU GO AND KNOCK ON A DOOR.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO DOOR TO DOOR EVERY DAY.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE REQUIRE THAT YOU GET A PERMIT.

RIGHT. THAT IS ALL.

IT LETS US KNOW WHO'S DOING AND [INAUDIBLE] WHAT'S GOING ON AND IF SO, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, THEN WE CAN SAY, OKAY, LOOK, YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE THE PERMIT SO YOU DON'T KNOW THE PARAMETERS. THESE ARE THE RULES THAT YOU HAVE TO PLAY BY IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS.

THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON IT I GUESS.

SO I WOULD JUST SAY IF THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE LEANING, WE NEED TO DEFINE TEMPORARY VERY SPECIFICALLY THAT WE CAN WE CAN MAKE SURE I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT PUTTING [INAUDIBLE] LETTERS ON A BUILDING.

I'M SAYING TIMELINES LIKE WHAT IS CONSIDERED TEMPORARY IS THAT 30 DAYS, IS IT 30 DAYS, THREE TIMES A YEAR? IS IT LIKE, HOW MANY TIMES CAN YOU COME BACK AND GET A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT OR A TEMPORARY SIGN PERMIT? HOW MANY TIMES ARE YOU ALLOWED? HOW LONG ARE YOU ALLOWED TO KEEP IT UP? THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY, SO THAT IF MY BUSINESS DECIDED TO KEEP MY SIGNAGE UP LONGER, I WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICER SAY NO, YOU TOLD US YOU WERE PUTTING YOUR SIGN UP ON THIS DAY.

IT'S EXPIRED ON THIS DAY.

YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO DO THIS ONCE A YEAR OR YOU'VE ALREADY USED YOUR ALLOTTED TIMES.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE, AND THAT'S WHERE THE ENFORCEMENT IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE A NIGHTMARE, AN ADMINISTRATIVE NIGHTMARE.

BUT IT'S THE SAME NIGHTMARE TODAY, BRANDON.

THEY CAN DO THAT. AND NOBODY KNOWS IF THEY DO IT.

THAT'S A LOT SIMPLER TO JUST TO KNOW THAT THAT EXISTS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, LET US, YOU KNOW, IN THE EXAMPLE OF THE GRAND OPENING AND WE COULD ADD ANOTHER COUPLE OF THINGS IN THERE.

YOU KNOW, LET US CONSIDER CODIFYING PRACTICE TODAY TO MAKE THOSE EXCEPTIONS CLEAR, AND IN BLACK AND WHITE, WHAT THOSE ARE.

THAT'S A LOT EASIER FOR US TO UNDERSTAND, FOR OUR STAFF TO UNDERSTAND IS WHEN THEY'RE GOING BY LIKE, HEY, THAT'S THAT'S NOT AN ALLOWABLE TEMPORARY SIGN.

DON'T WORRY THOUGH, THAT'S THAT'S THE BRAND NEW SHOP THERE ON THE CORNER.

THAT'S THAT'S GOOD FOR A TIME.

WE'LL KNOW WHEN THAT IS.

BUT THREE MONTHS FROM NOW, YOU'RE NOT STILL IN YOUR GRAND OPENING PHASE.

THAT IS A LOT EASIER FOR US TO ADMINISTER THAT KIND OF POLICY.

SPEAKING FOR YOU NOW.

IT WOULD BE EASIER. WOULD YOU WOULD THAT BE EASIER TO DO? AND THEN WE DON'T GET THE ACCUSATIONS OF YOU'RE PICKING ON MY BUSINESS.

WHY ARE YOU LETTING THEM HAVE THEIR GRAND OPENING SIGN UP.

WE JUST DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, THAT TO TURN INTO WELL, IT'S IT'S 20% OFF WINGS NIGHT AND THEN, YOU KNOW.

BUT WHY DON'T WE WANT THEM TO PROMOTE THAT? WHY DON'T WE WANT THE BUSINESSES TO PROMOTE.

WE DON'T WANT A TOWN FULL OF JUNKIES SIGNS OUT ON THE CURB LINE.

FOR A TUESDAY NIGHT, AND THEN THEY TAKE IT BACK IN TILL NEXT TUESDAY? IT'S NOT 20% OFF EVERY NIGHT.

I MEAN, I GUESS.

YOU'VE BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT SHIT DOESN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY.

I AGREE, BUT 20.

BUT IF YOU PUT A TEMPORARY TO ME IS REMOVABLE, WHETHER THAT'S ONE OF THOSE FEATHERS OR A SANDWICH BOARD, OR AS LONG AS IT'S NOT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, I FEEL LIKE TEMPORARY IS.

HOW THIS ALL STARTED WAS THE GUY PUT HIS SIGNS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, HIS TEMPORARY SIGNS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND WOULDN'T TAKE THEM DOWN.

WE'RE NOT ARGUING THAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT THEM IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, THOUGH.

WELL, RIGHT BUT THAT'S HOW THIS ALL CAME TO BE, IS THAT HE WAS THE ONE THAT BROUGHT THE COMPLAINT FORWARD.

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I DON'T I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DOES.

WELL, HOW MUCH OF THE EASEMENT SHOULD IT TAKE UP? IT SHOULD BE ON YOUR PROPERTY.

WELL, THERE'S A SIDEWALK IN FRONT THAT WE PROVIDE.

HOW MUCH OF THAT SIDEWALK SHOULD REMAIN OPEN? THAT'S A PATHWAY FOR FIRE YOU CAN'T BLOCK THE SIDEWALK.

BUT HOW MUCH CAN THEY BLOCK? I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

THERE'S SO MUCH AROUND THIS.

BUT THAT'S NOT IN THE SIGN ORDINANCE, STEVE, THAT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY ORDINANCE.

IT'S IN THE TEMPORARY SIGN ORDINANCE.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TEMPORARY SIGNS GOING IN WHENEVER THEY WANT TO PUT THEM IN, THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF IT.

THEY'RE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. THEY'RE GOING TO BLOCK EASEMENTS.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN PARKING.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE EVERYWHERE.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ENFORCE THIS.

BUT WE ACCEPT THEM UNDER THREE FOOT CORRECT TODAY.

NO, WE DO NOT.

WE OUR CURRENT WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED WOULD LEGITIMIZE SOME OF THE SANDWICH BOARDS.

THIS IS WHERE THE RED LINE BUSINESS WOULD BE.

BECAUSE I WAS READING THROUGH IT AND IT SAID THERE'S PIECES IN THERE WHERE IT SAYS SIGNS SIGNAGE UNDER LESS THAN THREE FOOT.

YEAH. AND I THINK WE WOULD HANDLE SANDWICH BOARDS IN A SEPARATE KIND OF WAY THAN WE WOULD HANDLE THE OTHER, LIKE YOU KNOW, GRAND OPENING TYPE OF THINGS.

YEAH, THE KRATOM, CBD, WHATEVER.

BUT THAT'S I GUESS THAT'S WHERE, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU HANDLE IT IN A SEPARATE WAY.

ONE GUY PUTS OUT A SANDWICH BOARD, ONE GUY PUTS OUT A FEATHER OR A BANNER.

THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE OTHER TEMPORARY TYPES OF SIGNS AND A SANDWICH BOARD IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK OF SANDWICH BOARD, MORE THAN LIKELY IT'S IT'S ON IT'S LIKE ON THE 100 BLOCK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT IS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO THAT JUST REQUIRES A DIFFERENT HANDLING IN THE CODE BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND YOU'RE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.

WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEDESTRIAN WAY CAN BE MAINTAINED AND FOR ADA, ALL THAT SORT OF THING.

THE OTHER TYPES OF SIGNAGE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S TEMPORARY, RELATED TO LIKE GRAND OPENING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT I, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE FOR US TO TO PUT IN A CHANGE TO THE CODE THAT THAT MAKES IT CLEAR THAT THAT IS ALLOWED AND WE CAN WE CAN WRITE PARAMETERS AROUND THAT AND DO NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT FOR IT.

THIS HAS GOT THREE MORE READINGS AT LEAST WE CAN GO TO A FOURTH READING IF WE HAVE TO.

YOU DIDN'T ACTUALLY, YOU TABLED YOUR FIRST READING? YEAH WE'RE STILL ON. WE'RE STILL ON FIRST READING? YEAH. RIGHT. SO YOU GOT SECOND.

THIRD. AND THEN WE CAN GO TO A FOURTH READING IF WE HAVE TO.

I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE A COMPLETED SET OF INFORMATION BEFORE I HAVE ANY LIKE GO MUCH FURTHER.

LIKE IF YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT WE SCANNED THE RIGHT, THE WRONG THING IN HERE, LET'S LET ME GET ME THE OTHER INFORMATION.

IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE. I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.

AND I THINK DEFINITELY THAT THE TIME FRAME FOR GRAND OPENINGS.

I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT YOUR PRESENTATION EARLIER.

IF YOU DRIVE AROUND AND I DRIVE, I TRAVEL ALL THE TIME.

WE'RE GOING TO PUT THESE NICE DEVELOPMENTS ON 100 BLOCK.

WHAT'S THE FIRST THING YOU PUT UP NOW LEASING FEATHERS.

SO WE IF WE DON'T PUT A TIME PARAMETER ON ALL OF OUR NEW DEVELOPMENTS, THAT'S THE FIRST THING I'M GOING TO DO IF I'M THAT LEASING AGENT.

I GOT TO GET YOUR BUTT ON MY PROPERTY AND GET YOU IN.

SO IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT GRAND OPENING TIME FRAME AND I THINK LOCKDOWN BECAUSE THE MORE WE DEVELOP, IT'S GOING TO TAKE OFF I THINK.

WE CAN WE CAN DEFINE THAT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

I MEAN, ANYTIME THERE'S A NEW BUILDING YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN RATHER THAN HANDLING IT, YOU KNOW, IN AN ADMINISTRATIVE, ADMINISTRATIVE FASHION, CODIFYING IT, PUT IT IN THE CODE, BLACK AND WHITE, WHICH THEN DOESN'T EXPOSE US TO ACCUSATIONS, ETC.

WE CAN PUT THAT INTO CODE.

THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT A LOT MORE WORK FOR US.

SO YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S A WAY.

BECAUSE YOU WANT PEOPLE TO GO IN AND TAKE A LOOK AT THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS WE'RE PUTTING OUT.

BUT THOSE FEATHER SIGNS HAVE A TENDENCY IN OTHER AREAS I'VE TRAVELED, THEY LOOK, YOU KNOW, THEY GET BEAT UP BY THE WIND AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE STILL THERE.

AND NOW IT'S NOT NOW LEASING, YOU KNOW.

BUT IF YOU'RE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR 12 YEARS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR NOW LEASING SIGN UP.

CORRECT. BECAUSE ONE APARTMENT CAME OPEN IT'S NOT A GRAND OPENING.

YEAH, IT MIGHT BE A GRAND APARTMENT, THOUGH.

YEAH, I JUST I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, CORPORATE SENDING OUT ALL THESE WHATEVER SIGNS, TEMPORARY NEW SIGNS OR WHATEVER FOR THEY'RE SENDING THEM OUT NATIONWIDE, IT'S NOT JUST COUNCIL BLUFFS SEE THEM ALL OVER WE WANT THE BUSINESSES TO BE SUCCESSFUL, I MEAN.

SIGNS DON'T MAKE THEM SUCCESSFUL, I DON'T THINK.

I HATE TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE IN THAT BUSINESS, BUT.

I DON'T THINK SIGNS MAKE THEM SUCCESSFUL.

BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE USED FOR A REASON.

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YEAH. I MEAN, MILLER LITE USES BUS OR BILLBOARDS, BUT AIN'T NOBODY BUYING MILLER LITE BECAUSE OF BILLBOARDS.

YOU WOULD.

ALL RIGHT, GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT.

SO YOU YOU THINK YOU WANT A TABLE AGAIN? I DON'T HAVE A RED LINE VERSION EITHER.

[INAUDIBLE] YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE US TO, COULD YOU GET US THE [INAUDIBLE] AND THEN, BECAUSE I DON'T TODAY, LIKE I SAID, I READ IT AND IT SAYS THIS AND YOU'RE TELLING ME WELL, THAT'S WE'RE ADDING.

OH, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS SAYS AND THEN THAT'S WHAT THAT SAYS.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. AND SO I AGAIN CAN'T SEE THE RED LINE.

DID IT TAKE OUT TODAY.

YOU CAN PUT UP TWICE, TWICE A YEAR FOR 30 DAYS A TEMPORARY SIGN.

IS THAT CORRECT. THAT'S STILL IN THERE.

WE DO NOT HAVE TEMPORARY SIGNS RIGHT NOW.

SO THE CURRENT POLICY DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING.

I THINK I JUST READ IT, IT SAYS...

THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT TO.

THAT'S THE THAT'S WHAT'S PROPOSED AND THEN THAT'S WHAT WAS READ BY PLANNING COMMISSION WHO SAID [INAUDIBLE] HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ENFORCE THAT.

YEAH. YEAH.

IF YOU COULD SEND THIS TO.

I THINK, I THINK WHAT'S ON THE BOOKS SAY TWICE A YEAR YOU CAN PUT UP A TEMPORARY SIGN WITH A PERMIT.

WE DO NOT HAVE A TEMPORARY SIGN PERMIT.

WE DO NOT HAVE TEMPORARY SIGNAGE.

I FEEL LIKE I'VE PAID FOR THAT PERMIT BEFORE, BUT.

KEEP COLLECTING. MIGHT HAVE BEEN YEARS AGO.

KEEP COLLECTING. MAYBE IT'S NOT ON THE BOOKS NOW, BUT IT USED TO BE.

SO WE'LL GET YOU THE RED LINE VERSION.

AND I THINK WE COULD ALSO PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER ON MORE THAN LIKELY A SIMPLE, A SIMPLE CHANGE TO THE CODE THAT WOULD SHOW YOU HOW TO LEGITIMIZE OUR ADMINISTRATIVE PRACTICE OF ALLOWING THE THE GRAND OPENING TYPES OF SIGNAGE SO THAT THAT'S IN BLACK AND WHITE AND, AND NOT CHARGE A PERMIT AND THEREFORE CREATE A WHOLE NEW ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN FOR STAFF.

I WOULD NOT WRAP THAT INTO THIS ONE, THOUGH I WOULD DO IT SEPARATELY.

I MEAN, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO...

IT WOULD HAVE TO I IT MAY BE SUCH A MAJOR CHANGE THAT IT MAYBE SHOULD GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST TWEAKING THE PROPOSAL. IT WOULD, IT SHOULD PROBABLY GO BACK THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

GREAT. ANYTHING ELSE? SEE YOU AT 7.

ALLEGIANCE] I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

[2.  CALL TO ORDER]

I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[3.  CONSENT AGENDA]

SECOND. IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

NOW TONIGHT WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY, WHICH IS A COMPANION TO BLACK FRIDAY FOR THE HOLIDAYS,

[A.  Small Business Saturday]

THE CITY OF COUNCIL BLUFFS, IOWA OFFICE OF THE MAYOR PROCLAMATION.

WHEREAS THE CITY OF COUNCIL BLUFFS CELEBRATES OUR LOCAL SMALL BUSINESSES AND THE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT THEY MAKE TO OUR LOCAL ECONOMY AND COMMUNITY.

AND WHEREAS, ACCORDING TO THE UNITED STATES SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION, THERE ARE 34.7 MILLION SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE UNITED STATES, SMALL BUSINESSES REPRESENTING 99.7% OF FIRMS WITH PAID EMPLOYEES.

SMALL BUSINESSES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR 61.1% OF NET NEW JOBS CREATED SINCE 1995.

AND SMALL BUSINESSES EMPLOY 45.9% OF THE EMPLOYEES IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR OF THE UNITED STATES.

AND WHEREAS $0.68 OF EVERY DOLLAR AT A SMALL BUSINESS IN THE U.S.

STAYS IN THE LOCAL ECONOMY, AND EVERY DOLLAR SPENT AT A SMALL BUSINESS CREATES AN ADDITIONAL $0.48 IN LOCAL BUSINESS ACTIVITY AS A RESULT OF EMPLOYEES AND LOCAL BUSINESSES PURCHASING LOCAL GOODS AND SERVICES.

AND WHEREAS 59% OF U.S.

CONSUMERS AWARE OF SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY SHOPPED AT OR ATE AT A SMALL, INDEPENDENTLY OWNED RETAILER OR RESTAURANT ON SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY, 2023 AND COUNCIL BLUFFS SUPPORTS OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT CREATE JOBS, BOOST OUR LOCAL ECONOMY AND PRESERVE OUR COMMUNITIES. AND WHEREAS, WHY ADVOCACY GROUPS, AS WELL AS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, HAVE ENDORSED THE SATURDAY AFTER THANKSGIVING AS SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY, THEREFORE, I, MATT WALSH, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF COUNCIL BLUFFS, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM NOVEMBER 30TH, 2024 AS SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY AND I URGE

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WITH THE SEAL OF THE CITY, I DO HEREBY PROCLAIM.

TONIGHT WE HAVE FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL IN REGARDS TO ANY OF THESE, PLEASE STEP FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE.

GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

COMMENTS MUST NOT BE ARGUMENTATIVE, REPETITIVE OR CUMULATIVE.

THEY MUST FOLLOW TIME RESTRICTIONS, WHICH ARE TEN MINUTES FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, FIVE MINUTES FOR ALL OTHER ITEMS, AND NO OTHER PERSON OTHER THAN THE SPEAKER IS ALLOWED TO SPEAK AT THE PODIUM SHALL THE ANYONE ELSE INTERRUPT THE MEETING.

NOW IT'S A TIME AND PLACE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IN REGARDS TO RESOLUTIONS 24-325, A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO ENTER INTO A PERPETUAL, NON-EXCLUSIVE EASEMENT

[A.  Resolution 24-325]

IS PROOF OF PUBLICATION ON FILE? YES IT IS. ANY WRITTEN PROTESTS RECEIVED? NONE RECEIVED. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL IN REGARDS TO THIS MATTER? SEEING NONE. IS THERE A MOTION FROM THE COUNCIL? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND.

IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

NOW IT'S TIME AND A PLACE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IN REGARDS TO RESOLUTION 24-326, A RESOLUTION DECLARING THE INTENT OF THE CITY TO ACCEPT A PROPOSAL RECEIVED IN ACCORDANCE

[B.  Resolution 24-326]

ITS LOCATION IS APPROXIMATELY 6.4 ACRES OF CITY OWNED LAND ON SOUTH 30TH STREET AND 1ST AVENUE.

IS PROOF OF PUBLICATION ON FILE? YES IT IS. ANY WRITTEN PROTESTS RECEIVED? NONE RECEIVED. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS COUNCIL IN REGARDS TO THIS MATTER? IS THERE A MOTION FROM THE COUNCIL? MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND. IS THERE A DISCUSSION? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING WITH THE ONE THAT'S ON HERE, LOCKWOOD.

YEAH, WE GOT TO SAY PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE THERE'S TWO ON HERE.

AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE GOING WITH LOCKWOOD.

FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

NOW IS THE TIME AND PLACE FOR PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING RESOLUTION 24-327.

[C.  Resolution 24-327]

THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 2.5 ACRES OF CITY OWNED LAND AT SOUTH 28TH STREET AND 1ST AVENUE.

IS PROOF OF PUBLICATION ON FILE? YES IT IS. ANY WRITTEN PROTESTS RECEIVED? NONE RECEIVED. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL IN REGARDS TO THIS MATTER? SEEING NONE. IS THERE A MOTION FROM THE COUNCIL? MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND. IS THERE A DISCUSSION? THIS IS A, THESE A, B AND C THE RESOLUTIONS.

I THINK COURTNEY THIS AFTERNOON SAID SHE SENT OUT TO 70 DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS.

WE HAD ONE ON THIS PROPERTY.

TWO ON ANOTHER ONE, APPLY.

THERE'S THESE ARE VERY COMPLEX.

A LOT OF DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES, DIFFERENT AVENUES THAT WE'RE BEING CREATIVE, I SHOULD SAY, AND GETTING EVERYTHING WE CAN FOR THESE DEVELOPERS.

AND THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME GOOD PROJECTS IN COUNCIL BLUFFS.

AND THIS ONE WAS SENT OUT FOR FOUR TIMES.

CORRECT? YEAH.

AND IT'S GOT SOME ENCUMBRANCES WE BELIEVE WE HAVE LESS THAN 1% RENTAL VACANCY.

YEAH. YEAH. AND IN THIS CASE IT'S IT'S GONE, GONE OUT FOUR DIFFERENT TIMES AND, AND EVERY TIME THERE'S DIFFERENT ENCUMBRANCES THAT THAT DISALLOW DISALLOW WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN GOING FOR TO TRY AND MAKE IT WORK.

AND SO IN THIS INSTANCE WE ARE GIVING A BIT MORE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S KIND OF A SITUATION WITH THE ENCUMBRANCES, IT'S A FRUIT OF THE POISON TREE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING IF WE WANT IT TO, TO GO FORWARD BECAUSE OF WHAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.

SO ONWARD AND UPWARD.

FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

NOW IT'S A TIME AND PLACE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING RESOLUTION 24-328, A RESOLUTION DECLARING THE INTENT OF THE CITY TO ACCEPT A PROPOSAL RECEIVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE

[D.  Resolution 24-328]

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IS APPROVED PUBLICATION ON FILE? YES IT IS. ANY WRITTEN PROTESTS RECEIVED? NONE RECEIVED. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS COUNCIL IN REGARDS TO THIS MATTER? BOB STRATTON.

MAYOR WALSH COUNCIL FROM BROADMOOR I NEVER THOUGHT I'D BE STANDING HERE TO TALK ABOUT BLOCK ONE, BUT WE WERE HAPPY, I AM, AND EXCITED TO BE A PART OF IT.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE DOWN THERE.

IT'S AMAZING PROJECT IN THE WHOLE SO.

THANK YOU.

GREAT WORK. THANKS.

ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE AUDIENCE? IS THERE A MOTION FROM THE COUNCIL? MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND. IS THERE A DISCUSSION? JUST TO REITERATE WHAT MAYOR WALSH SAID IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT PROJECT.

FINISH THAT UP DOWN THERE. IT ALREADY LOOKS AMAZING.

THERE'S A LOT OF AMENITIES.

PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO USE IT.

ALL THESE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE APPROVING TONIGHT ARE MUCH NEEDED, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE GREAT MOVING FORWARD FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SO LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING IT.

AND I'D SECOND WHAT ROGER SAID EARLIER.

IF YOU HAVE TIME FOR THE PEOPLE OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC, GO BACK AND LISTEN TO THE STUDY SESSION, BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE, AND YOU KNOW, WHO'S GOING TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE DIFFERENT HOUSING.

SO IT WAS A REALLY INFORMATIVE SESSION, AND I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD REALLY GET A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT OF THAT.

FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

MADAM CLERK. ORDINANCES ON FIRST CONSIDERATION.

[A.  Ordinances 6615, 6616, 6617 and 6618 (Continued from 11-4-24)]

ORDINANCES AMENDING FOUR SEPARATE SECTIONS OF TITLE 15.

ZONING OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE BY AMENDING CHAPTERS 15.16, 15.17, 15.32A AND 15.33 WITH REGARDS TO SIGNS.

MOTION TO DENY.

SECOND. IS THERE A DISCUSSION? DID WE GET THE RED LINE? WE GOT THE RED LINE IN BETWEEN MEETINGS.

I FORWARDED IT.

AT 5:05.

I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE TO ANOTHER READING TO BE ABLE TO DIG INTO IT MORE THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THE FACTS AT HAND.

AS WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE THE RED LINE VERSIONS, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST USER ERROR ON MY PART.

SO WHEN I ASKED TONIGHT AND WE GOT THEM.

SO I WOULD BE AGAINST THE MOTION ON THE TABLE, I GUESS.

YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED FOR SURE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S PERFECT AS IS, BUT I THINK MOVING IT TO A SECOND WOULD WOULD DO GOOD, I THINK WORKING WITH BRANDON AND COURTNEY ON SOME CHANGES I THINK ARE PERTINENT.

IT WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THOUGH.

YEAH, I THINK SO.

THAT'S WHAT THEY STATED EARLIER.

DEPENDING ON THE MAGNITUDE OF THE CHANGE.

YEAH, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH WE CHANGE, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A TON OF CHANGE THAT AND THEN THAT THE CHANGE IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN SOME OF THE CONVERSATION DURING STUDY SESSION, DEPENDING ON HOW SIGNIFICANT THAT IS, BECAUSE THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I THREW OUT THAT MAY OPEN UP OTHER SECTIONS OF THE SIGN CODE THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT'S UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME WOULD WE HAVE TO GO BACK OR NOT.

BUT IF WE'RE OPENING UP SOME DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE CODE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN VETTED YET, I GUESS BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEN WE'D WE'D BRING IT, WE'D BRING IT BACK. BUT IF THEY PERTAIN TO THESE FOUR SECTIONS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO.

I THINK IF WE'RE NOT, IF WE'RE NOT TOUCHING NEW CODE SECTIONS, THEN WE'RE I THINK WE'RE WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW OF BEING ABLE TO TO ACT ON IT WITHOUT GOING ALL THE WAY BACK.

BUT IF WE'RE OPENING UP DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE ORDINANCE, THEN WE SHOULD GO BACK.

BUT YOU HAVE THE RED LINE VERSION NOW.

YOU KNOW, I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER AT STUDY SESSION JUST THE PREFERENCE TO DENY THIS ORDINANCE AS IS AND HAVE US DRAFT UP SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT I THINK AFTER HEARING THROUGH THE CONVERSATION OF, OF SOME OF THE, THE DESIRES OF OF WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO GET AT.

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YEAH. I THINK PART OF THE CHANGE THAT I READ THROUGH A LITTLE BIT IS I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WOULD NEED A PERMIT FOR A TEMPORARY SIGN.

I THINK THAT'S PART OF I DON'T WANT TO CREATE MORE WORK FOR THE STAFF.

AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'M OFFERING TO LOOK AT, IS FOR THE TYPES OF SIGNAGE THAT I WAS HEARING ABOUT OVER DISCUSSION WAS THAT PERHAPS WE COULD CREATE THAT CARVE OUT IN WRITING, BECAUSE I THINK THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME THINGS TODAY THAT WE ARE WE'RE LETTING HAPPEN, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR NEW BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMING TO TOWN OR NEW NEW LOCATIONS OF EXISTING BUSINESSES THAT ARE OPENING UP NEW NEW PLACES OR THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A MAJOR RENOVATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE'VE WE'VE LOOKED WE'VE LOOKED PAST THAT.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THE POINTS THAT WERE MADE EARLIER THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT BUSINESS SHOULD BE ABLE TO RELY ON, ON THE CODE, THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THEN THE CITY WOULDN'T EVER BE ACCUSED OF OF YOU KNOW, FAVORING ONE BUSINESS VERSUS ANOTHER IF WE WERE JUST ENFORCING THE CODE IN AN ADMINISTRATIVE FASHION. SO I THINK AFTER THAT CONVERSATION, I THINK WE COULD CODIFY SOMETHING THAT MEETS THE INTENT OF WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITHOUT WITHOUT CREATING A WHOLE NEW ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN THAT WOULD I, I'M PRETTY SURE, COST US AT LEAST ANOTHER EMPLOYEE TO TO ADMINISTER ALL NEW ALL NEW PERMITS AND TRACK ALL THE PERMITS.

YOU KNOW HOW MANY DAYS YOU HAVE THIS SIGN OUT AND HOW MANY DAYS WAS THAT? I THINK WE CAN GET THERE WITHOUT REQUIRING A NEW PERMIT.

AND KEEP KEEP THINGS TIDY IN OUR COMMUNITY AND AND NOT CREATE SOME KIND OF ADVERSARIAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND CITY CODES.

YEAH. AND I, I TOLD YOU EARLIER, I DISAGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK I THINK THIS IS SUPPORTING BUSINESSES, LETTING THEM DO THIS.

AND I YOU KNOW, I THAT'S WHAT I RAN ON IS BUSINESSES AND SUPPORTING SMALL BUSINESSES IN TOWN.

I MEAN, WE JUST HAD SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY, WE DO EVERY YEAR, IT'S GREAT.

YOU KNOW, YOU THINK ABOUT ALL THESE BUSINESSES, I DROVE AROUND TOWN AFTER AFTER THE STUDY SESSION.

I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT THERE'S A I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE NAME OF THE BUSINESS.

THERE'S, YOU KNOW, 50% OFF OIL CHANGES.

THERE'S A BANNER RIGHT ON BROADWAY.

THERE'S TWO OF THEM. I WANT THOSE BUSINESSES TO BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE THAT.

I MEAN, SCOOTERS HAS GOT THREE TEMPORARY SIGNS RIGHT THERE TODAY, RIGHT NOW.

AND THERE ARE TWO BANNERS AND A FEATHER, AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE SINCE SCOOTERS OPENED.

THEY CHANGE THEM EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS.

AND I THINK IT'S GREAT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE ONE SAYS RED BULL.

AND IF YOU LIKE RED BULL AND YOU DRIVE BY, YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO SCOOTERS AND TRY THE NEW RED BULL DRINK.

I THINK THESE BUSINESSES SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE SPECIALS.

IF PIZZA HUT IS HAVING A TWO MEDIUMS FOR $9.99, DRIVE BY AND GET THEM.

I THINK THAT'S HOW BUSINESSES I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S HOW WE SUPPORT OUR SMALL BUSINESSES.

AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE SOME CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE.

BUT I THINK GOING TO SECOND AND DISCUSSING HOW WE CAN SUPPORT THEM IS, IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST HOW I FEEL.

I ALSO WANT TO SAY, JOE, AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU SAID YOU THINK I HAD A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND ASKED IF THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT IF I COULD VOTE ON THIS OR NOT.

I REACHED OUT TO IOWA ETHICS CAMPAIGN BOARD AND THEY SAID I DO NOT HAVE A CONFLICT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE AS I TOLD MATT, IF I DID HAVE A CONFLICT, I DIDN'T THINK I DID.

I DON'T THINK I DO. AND THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF IOWA ETHICS CAMPAIGN BOARD DOESN'T THINK I DO SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT, BECAUSE AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, YOU THOUGHT I DID. I DON'T THINK I DID.

YEAH, I THINK THAT THERE'S A CLEAR PERCEIVED CONFLICT OF INTEREST SINCE YOU OWN INTEREST IN A SIGN COMPANY.

AND I FULLY DISCLOSE THAT TO THE CAMPAIGN BOARD AND THE CITY ATTORNEY.

YEAH. AND NEITHER ONE OF THEM THINK I HAVE A CONFLICT.

WELL, AND I DON'T EITHER.

I BELIEVE OUR ATTORNEY, WHO IS FILLING IN FOR DICK WADE RIGHT NOW, RESPONDED BACK THAT YOU SHOULD NOT BE VOTING ON THIS TOPIC.

I DIDN'T SEE AN EMAIL SAID THAT.

YOU DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT SAID THAT.

I DIDN'T. MAYBE I DIDN'T.

MAYBE I DIDN'T GET IT OR I DIDN'T SEE IT.

CHECK YOUR EMAIL. WELL, I DON'T THINK I HAVE A CONFLICT.

AND LIKE I SAID, I WENT TO THE LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THE CAMPAIGN ETHICS AND CAMPAIGN BOARD, AND I JUST DON'T THINK I DO.

I'M ADVOCATING FOR BUSINESSES.

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THERE'S NO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME TO ME BECAUSE OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE CHANGE, OR THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO TO ANY SIGN COMPANY IF THEY DON'T WANT TO.

SIGNS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ILLEGAL WOULD BECOME LEGAL, WHICH WOULD GIVE YOU MORE PRODUCT TO SELL.

IT'S CLEARLY, CLEARLY A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

WHY WOULD THIS GUY SAY IT'S NOT AND HE'S AT THE END? BECAUSE HE ONE, BECAUSE OF THE WAY YOU FRAMED IT.

AND TWO, I GAVE HIM MY OPINION.

YOU SAID YOU HAD NO CONFLICTS.

IT DOESN'T BENEFIT NOR DEBT.

IT'S NOT BENEFICIAL NOR DETRIMENTAL TO YOU.

AND LIKE I SAY, YOU'RE A SIGN BUSINESS SELLING SIGNS IF THE INVENTORY OF SIGNS AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO SELL GROWS, THAT BENEFITS YOUR BUSINESS.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN SAY IT DOESN'T BENEFIT YOUR BUSINESS.

IT CLEARLY BENEFITS YOUR BUSINESS.

IT'S CLEARLY A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

IT'S THE MOST BLATANT CONFLICT OF INTEREST I'VE SEEN IN 30 YEARS IN ELECTED OFFICE.

I DISAGREE, AND I KNOW YOU DO.

BUT YEAH, WE GET WE AGREE TO DISAGREE.

YEAH THAT'S FINE. I'M ADVOCATING FOR BUSINESSES, SMALL BUSINESSES IN THIS TOWN, BIG BUSINESSES.

IT DOESN'T MATTER. I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT UP TEMPORARY SIGNAGE SUPPORTING WHETHER THAT'S A SPECIAL OR WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. I THINK WE CAN GET THERE.

WE JUST GOT TO FIND OUT TO THE PODIUM.

WE HAVE TO FIND A HAPPY MEDIUM.

I THINK WE CAN GET THERE.

NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

OH, MY NAME IS PATRICK BARTA.

MY ADDRESS IS REGAL TOWERS APARTMENTS.

IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE STREET ADDRESS, I CAN GIVE YOU STREET ADDRESS, 505 SOUTH 6TH STREET, APARTMENT 409, COUNCIL BLUFFS, IOWA 51501.

AND ACTUALLY, I WOULD PREFER TO TALK ABOUT A DIFFERENT SUBJECT AFTER YOU GUYS FINISH.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I SEE ALL THESE SIGNS ON VEHICLES AND MAYBE EVEN ON BILLBOARDS ABOUT GETTING COVID SHOTS.

AND I THINK ALL THE SCIENTISTS ARE ALMOST IN AGREEMENT THAT THERE'S ALL KINDS OF ILL EFFECTS OF COVID VACCINATIONS. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF INGREDIENTS IN THERE.

THERE'S SOME OF THE INGREDIENTS CAUSE CANCER, MAYBE, OR THEY'RE ACTUALLY INJECTING THEMSELVES INTO THE DNA OF HUMANS.

SO IN A WAY, I FEEL LIKE THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE OF COVID SIGNS SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THEY THESE PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ADVERTISING SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HARM PEOPLE.

AND I THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

THANK YOU. AS FAR AS LIKE I SAID I THINK WE CAN FIND A HAPPY MEDIUM ON THIS.

I DON'T WANT IT TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO PLANNING.

YOU KNOW, OWNING A BUSINESS I WOULD LIKE TO SOMETIMES BECAUSE PEOPLE COME BY AND ASK [INAUDIBLE] I'D LIKE TO THROW UP A FEATHER SIGN OPEN GYM UP, COME ON IN.

BUT WE WOULD DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO TAKE IT IN.

AND I KNOW A LOT, NOT A LOT OF BUSINESS OWNERS WOULD, BECAUSE I DO LIKE TO SEE SOME TEMPORARIES, YOU KNOW, IN MY TRAVELS, I SEE THEM COME DOWN AND GO.

BUT I THINK THERE'S A GROUND WHERE WE CAN MEET TO NOT HAVE TO SEND IT ALL THE WAY BACK AND ESTABLISH SOME DIFFERENT GUIDELINES, BECAUSE, YEAH, ON MY SEVEN MINUTE DRIVE HOME, I COUNTED FIVE TEMPORARY SIGNS THAT ARE ALWAYS THERE.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SUBJECT MATTER OF WHAT THEY CHANGE.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT CORPORATE SENTIMENT.

AND THEY'RE CORPORATE SIGNS THEY'RE NOT LOCAL BUSINESS PUTTING OUT.

IT'S LIKE, HEY, IT'S CANDY CANE, RED BULL, SCOOTERS.

AND THOSE YOUNG LADIES DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.

THEY JUST STORE MANAGER, REGIONAL MANAGER SAYS, GO PUT THOSE UP AND THEY DO IT.

AND I DO GET DRAWN IN BY SOME OF THOSE.

I GET SUCKERED IN. I BUY THINGS THAT I SHOULDN'T ALL THE TIME BUY, THOSE TEMPORARY SIGNS.

BUT WE CAN DRAG THIS OUT ALL WE WANT OR WE CAN.

WE HAVE TO. I THINK WE GOT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO KIND OF APPEASE A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING, AND I DON'T DISAGREE.

AND I MISSED THE LAST MEETING WE HAD THE BIG DISCUSSION ON.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF LATE TO THE TABLE.

BUT I MEAN, I'D BE WILLING TO.

AND I DON'T I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT AT ALL GOING FORWARD WITH THE WAY HOW IT IS, IT'S CHANGING THE ENTIRE POLICY WHERE OUR STAFF AND AND BRANDON SAID, WE CAN GO ABOUT THIS A DIFFERENT WAY, GET RID OF THIS AND LET'S GO TACKLE WHAT WE WANT TO TACKLE.

YEAH. SO I MEAN, I'D ENTERTAIN HEARING SOME OF THE THOUGHTS PER THE CONVERSATION WE HAD IN STUDY SESSION, KIND OF SOME OF YOUR SUGGESTIONS BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I WAS ONE MEETING LATE TO THE TABLE ON THIS, BUT.

BUT THIS NEW THIS NEW PROPOSAL OPENS UP ALL KINDS OF NEW STUFF.

I AM, I AM ALL FOR IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH A SANDWICH BOARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S NOT WHERE I'M COMING FROM.

BUT IF OUR PLANNING COMMISSION, OUR STAFF, EVERYBODY IS SAYING THIS, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS GOING TO CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS, MORE HEADACHE, MORE BUREAUCRACY, WE'RE GOING TO

[01:20:07]

WHY ARE WE EVEN MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS ONE? LET'S JUST KILL THIS ONE.

LET THEM BRING FORWARD SOMETHING NEW.

WHEN THE INITIAL JUSTIFICATION FOR DOING IT WAS WE WEREN'T ENFORCING OUR ORDINANCE, AND WE FIND OUT TODAY WE ARE ENFORCING THE ORDINANCE.

IT'S 2 IN 50 SOME CASES.

SO WHAT ARE YOU YOU'RE OKAY WITH SANDWICH BOARDS, BUT YOU'RE NOT OKAY WITH FEATHERED.

WHAT ARE YOU OKAY WITH? I'M IN FAVOR OF THE ORDINANCE AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.

WHICH DOESN'T ALLOW SANDWICH BOARDS.

YES, BUT I'M OPEN TO IT.

WHAT I'M SAYING, ROGER, IS I'M NOT OPENING TO THIS NEW PROCEDURE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADD STAFF.

IT'S GOING TO BE A TON MORE HOURS.

IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE WORK.

AND AND IT'S BASED OFF OF THE STATS PROVIDED.

THERE WERE 304 ZONING ENFORCEMENT CASES.

THERE WERE 56 SIGN VIOLATION CASES.

OF THOSE, 14 OF THEM RESULTED IN A SIGN CITATION.

EVERYBODY ELSE SELF-SERVED, SELF-CORRECTED TOOK IT DOWN, SAID OOPS, MY BAD, TAKE IT DOWN.

AND ONLY TWO CAME OUT OF ILLEGAL SIGNAGE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO COST THE TAX TAXPAYERS TONS OF DOLLARS FOR TWO.

AND WE KNOW ONE OF THEM.

AND HE WAS PUTTING HIS SIGNS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

WELL, NO, TO ME THAT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL.

A PERMIT FOR A TEMPORARY SIGN THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANOTHER PERSON.

THAT'S THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN HERE.

YOU WOULD. YEAH, RIGHT.

THAT'S WHY I GO TO SECOND AND CHANGE THAT.

WELL, WHAT JILL IS SAYING IS, LET'S KILL THIS, SEND IT BACK TO THEM, LET THEM WRITE SOMETHING AND BRING IT BACK UP SOMETHING.

THAT'S GOING TO WORK. WE CAN'T DO THAT FROM SITTING AT THE COUNCIL HERE.

THAT'S FOR ADMINISTRATION AND THE ZONING PEOPLE TO WORK ON AND GET US SOMETHING UP HERE THAT WE CAN AGREE TO.

I MEAN, THE BOARD WOULDN'T EVEN TOUCH IT.

THEY SAID IT WAS TOO MUCH.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS SO.

WELL. AND THEN AS I'M DRIVING AROUND AFTER COUNCIL, I DRIVE BY BAYLESS, THERE'S A TEMPORARY SIGNAGE ON THREE POLES FOR WINTERFEST COMING UP.

SO WE HAD TO HAVE PUT THAT UP, IN BAYLESS PARK TODAY.

[INAUDIBLE] IT'S LIKE WE WANT TO PICK AND CHOOSE AND I JUST I DON'T DO WELL WITH THAT.

WE GOT TO SUPPORT ALL THE BUSINESSES, INCLUDING THINGS LIKE THIS WINTERFEST.

I THINK THAT'S OKAY TO PUT UP.

RIGHT. I MEAN, WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME TO IT.

WE WANT PEOPLE TO SUPPORT THESE SMALL BUSINESSES.

WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME TO WINTERFEST OR ANY OTHER EVENT.

WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME TO THE FARMERS MARKET.

I DON'T DISAGREE, BUT THE ONES THAT YOU GAVE YOUR EXAMPLES ARE NOT SMALL BUSINESSES.

SCOOTERS IS NOT A SMALL BUSINESS.

I BET IT'S LOCALLY OWNED.

WELL, HERE WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO TO PUT OUT SIGNAGE OR TO ADVERTISE AND BE.

WHAT WE'RE SAYING ON THIS RESOLUTION, IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.

IT'S TOO MUCH. THIS WOULD LET THIS SIGN GO UP.

THE ONE TODAY IF WE DON'T CHANGE IT, THIS WINTERFEST SIGN WOULD NOT BE ACCEPTABLE.

ACCORDING TO THE ONE WE DID TODAY WITHOUT A PERMIT.

IF WE IF WE OKAY THIS TODAY, THEY WOULD NEED A PERMIT.

ACCORDING TO WHAT'S ON THE BOOKS NOTHING TO DO WITH TODAY.

WHAT'S ON THE BOOKS TODAY. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON RIGHT NOW WE WOULD NEED A PERMIT TO DO THAT.

AGREED. AND I'M SAYING THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT.

WE CAN CHANGE THAT ON THE SECOND READING, STEVE.

RIGHT. THAT'S IN THIS CODE WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT WE DON'T LIKE HOW IT SITS, AND YOU GUYS WANT TO TAKE IT TO THE TO THE START.

AND SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THE OTHERS OF US WOULD LIKE TO TRY AND MOLD IT WHERE IT IS.

THE END RESULT IS GOING TO BE THAT IT IS NOT GOING TO BE AS IT SITS.

SO IT'S JUST NOW WE'RE INTO SEMANTICS OF HOW WE GET THERE.

IF WE MOLD IT FROM HERE, WE'RE GOING TO MISS THINGS THAT OUR ADMINISTRATION AND THE PEOPLE THAT FACILITATE THIS WILL SEE.

WELL WE CAN CONTINUE TO BRING BACK OTHER CHANGES BUT IF WE CAN TAKE CARE OF, YOU KNOW, A GOOD A GOOD PORTION OF THINGS, THERE'S SOME GOOD ITEMS IN WHAT WAS DONE, THE WORK THAT WAS DONE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.

I AM SAYING THAT THERE'S THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE, SO PERHAPS WE COULD MAKE CHANGES WHAT WE CAN WITH AS IT AS IT READS OR WHAT WAS WITHIN OUR PURVIEW AT THIS TIME, AND THEN COME BACK AS WE DISCUSSED BEFORE.

OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO CARVE OUT THIS AND THIS SO THAT THOSE PIECES, WHICH ARE LARGE DIFFERENCES, THEN HAVE TO COME BACK UP THROUGH THE PROCESS.

BUT OVERALL, WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, WE'LL ALL ARRIVE AT SOMETHING THAT IS AGREEABLE TO THE COUNCIL.

SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE.

[01:25:04]

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

NAY. NAY.

IS THERE A SECOND MOTION? MOTION TO GO TO SECOND READING SECOND.

IS THERE A DISCUSSION? I THINK WE JUST KIND OF HAD IT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

NAY, NAY. ALL RIGHT.

PASSES SECOND READING.

MADAM CLERK.

YEP. GIVE ME JUST A SECOND, LOTS OF NOTES ON THIS ONE.

OKAY. SO RESOLUTION 24-329, A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK TO EXECUTE AN IOWA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FEDERAL AID AGREEMENT IN

[A.  Resolution 24-329]

MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND. IS THERE A DISCUSSION? YEAH. I JUST WANT TO SAY, IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN DOWN STEVEN ROAD YOU SHOULD TAKE A DRIVE DOWN IT.

THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB.

I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF CONTENTION AROUND IT LONG BEFORE I CAME ON COUNCIL, AND IT'S FANTASTIC.

I MEAN, I TOLD MATT COX TODAY HOW THEY DID IT, HOW THEY SET IT UP FOR OUR GROWTH PLAN AND THEN ADDING ON TO STATE ORDERS AT THE END.

I THINK EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN IT KILLED IT.

AND THE NAYSAYERS, ONCE THEY START USING IT, ARE GOING TO FIND THAT THE SAME WAY.

BECAUSE I MEAN, IT, IT'S REALLY JUST OPENED UP THAT WHOLE AREA.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS BECAUSE, YEAH, IT NEEDS THAT THAT NEEDS SOME WORK DOWN THERE.

FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

RESOLUTION 24-330 A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BID OF K-2 CONSTRUCTION FOR THE KANESVILLE SANITARY SEWER EXTENSION.

[B.  Resolution 24-330]

SECOND. DISCUSSION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

RESOLUTION 24-331 A RESOLUTION AWARDING THE CONTRACT OF MECCO-HENNE CONTRACTING, INC., IN THE AMOUNT

[C.  Resolution 24-331]

MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND. IS THERE A DISCUSSION? I THINK I WAS FUNDED THIS AT $3 MILLION.

SO IT'S UNDER RIGHT? YEAH SO.

BID CAME IN LOWER THAN WHAT THEY FUNDED IT.

YEAH. THAT'S PERFECT.

WE'VE BEEN GETTING SOME REALLY GOOD BIDS.

YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE SECOND ONE HERE, WHICH WE THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE $1,000,004.

REALLY WELL UNDER.

SORRY, I JUMPED AHEAD.

FURTHER DISCUSSION ON 7C? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

RESOLUTION 24-332 A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE BID OF ANCHOR ROOFING AND LANDSCAPING IN THE AMOUNT OF $861,000 FOR THE COUNCIL BLUFFS PUBLIC

[D.  Resolution 24-332]

MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND. IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

RESOLUTION 24-333, A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY CLERK TO CERTIFY ASSESSMENTS AGAINST PROPERTIES TO THE POTTAWATTAMIE COUNTY TREASURER FOR

[E.  Resolution 24-333]

MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND.

IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

RESOLUTION 24-334 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF COUNCIL BLUFFS.

[F.  Resolution 24-334]

MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND.

IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

RESOLUTION 24-335, A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO THE IOWA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT DISASTER RECOVERY

[G.  Resolution 24-335]

MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? THIS IS A HUGE PROJECT.

YEAH, THIS IS A IF WE GET THIS GRANT, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT STEP FORWARD TO STARTING THIS PROJECT IN THE RIGHT MANNER.

$9.2 MILLION.

AND ONCE ONCE WE SELL THOSE LOTS THEN WE CAN PLOW THAT MONEY BACK INTO FUTURE PHASES OF DEVELOPMENT SO.

AND AGAIN, ON THE STUDY SESSION THIS AFTERNOON, THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION.

THERE WAS A TOUR ON THERE OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

AND IT WAS REALLY, REALLY GOOD INFORMATION.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY NICELY CONSTRUCTED AND AND HAVE A HUGE EMPHASIS ON A POPULATION OF OF, YOU KNOW, OUR CITY THAT IS ON THE RISE.

[01:30:03]

SO IT'S A VERY GOOD STEP FORWARD.

AND AGAIN, AS THE MAYOR SAID, THIS WILL ALLOW US TO DO THIS PIECE OF THE PROJECT AND THEN CONTINUE TO USE THOSE FUNDS TO, YOU KNOW, SNOWBALL INTO THE REST OF IT SO.

WELL, AND WE'LL KNOW. WE'LL KNOW IN THE MIDDLE OF DECEMBER IF WE GET THIS GRANT TOO.

IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE TO WAIT TO BE IN SHORT ORDER.

THIS IS GOING TO COME HOT AND HEAVY.

WELL, IT'S GOT TO ALL BE DONE BY JULY 2026.

SO IT'S IT'LL BE A 2025 WILL BE A RUN AND GUN.

FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

RESOLUTION 24-336, A RESOLUTION PERMITTING THE CREATION OF ONE ADDITIONAL SERGEANT POSITION TO THE UNIFORM DIVISION.

[H.  Resolution 24-336]

IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS AND CANCELLATIONS AA LIQUOR LICENSES 1-3.

[A.  Liquor Licenses]

SECOND. IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

MADAM CLERK. COUNCIL ANY OTHER BUSINESS?

[9.  OTHER BUSINESS]

SO BRANDON HAS SOME OTHER BUSINESS.

I HAVE JUST ONE QUICK OTHER BUSINESS JUST SO THAT THE CITIZENS CAN SLEEP TONIGHT.

15 OUR WINTERFEST SIGNS ARE LEGAL UNDER 15.33.080 EXEMPT SIGNS SECTION E SIGNS IDENTIFYING A PUBLIC OR CIVIC EVENT.

SO JUST WANT EVERYONE TO BE OKAY.

AND TO PIGGYBACK THAT, MAKE SURE YOU GO TO WINTERFEST ON FRIDAY NIGHT AT 6 P.M.

FROM 6 TO 8.

THERE'S A LOT OF NEW ACTIVITIES.

SANTA IS GOING TO BE THERE. IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT.

IT'S ALWAYS A GREAT EVENT.

WEATHER LOOKS TO BE GOOD, SO PLEASE COME OUT BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS AWESOME.

THEY DO A GOOD JOB IN THE PARKS.

WE'VE GOT YEAH, SLEIGH RIDES, MOVIE IN THE PARK, ALL KINDS OF GOOD STUFF, ALL KINDS OF FOOD.

IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT EVENT.

COUPLE FOOD TRUCKS AND YEAH.

WHAT DID YOU SAY, 21 FOOD TRUCKS.

I WAS GONNA SAY THERE'S A LOT. 11.

CITIZENS. ROGER, DID YOU WANT.

BLUFFS. TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, I WAS HERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.

I JUST WANTED TO PASS ALONG OUR THANKS FROM OUR SAVIOR'S LUTHERAN CHURCH.

WE'RE IN THE GIBRALTAR NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST A BLOCK DOWN THE HILL FROM THE DODGE HOUSE, AND WE HAD OFFERED EARLIER IN THE YEAR, AS A TOKEN OF OUR APPRECIATION TO PROVIDE A BIBLE TO EACH OF YOU. WE HAD SEVERAL OF YOU ACCEPT THAT, AND I APOLOGIZED LAST TIME.

I THINK, CHRIS, YOU WEREN'T HERE, THAT IN THE MIDST OF ALL THAT, WE HAD OUR PASTOR RETIRE AND WE WERE WITHOUT A PASTOR FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.

SO WE'RE BACK HERE TONIGHT, THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE REQUESTED A BIBLE, I'LL HAVE THEM AFTERWARDS.

BUT WE JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT WE APPRECIATE THE TERRIFIC JOB YOU'RE DOING.

AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW PASTOR, PASTOR DOUG ROTHGEB.

AND I THOUGHT I'D TURN IT OVER TO HIM TO SAY A FEW WORDS.

SO THANKS AGAIN FOR THE WORK YOU'RE DOING HERE.

I JUST WANT TO SAY HI AND LET YOU KNOW THAT I'M NEW TO THE COMMUNITY, AND I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE AND OUR SAVIORS.

I'M LEARNING AND GROWING WITH THEM AND HAVING A LOT OF FUN LEARNING AND GROWING WITH THEM.

AND IT'S WE WANT TO GET MORE PEOPLE INTO THE CHURCH.

SO PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD THAT OUR SAVIOR HAS A NEW PASTOR.

COME CHECK ME OUT, AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, SPEND A LITTLE TIME WITH US AND SEE WHAT WE GOT.

ALL ARE WELCOME, AS THEY SAY, JESUS NEVER TURNED ANYBODY AWAY, SO WE DON'T EITHER.

WELCOME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

WELCOME, WELCOME. SEE YOU AT WINTERFEST.

YES. ANY OTHERS? YES, SIR. AND CAN YOU GIVE NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN ONE MORE TIME?

[10.  CITIZENS REQUEST TO BE HEARD]

APARTMENT. MY APARTMENT NUMBER IS 409, AND IT'S IN COUNCIL BLUFFS, IOWA, ZIP CODE 51501.

AND IT'S LIKE WITHIN TWO BLOCKS OR THREE BLOCKS FROM HERE.

[01:35:01]

AND WE SOMEBODY FLATTENED ALL FIVE TIRES OF MY VEHICLE ON MY VAN THAT I HAVE.

THE FIFTH ONE WAS MY SPARE TIRE THAT I USED TO REPLACE THE VERY FIRST TIRE THAT I FOUND FLATTENED.

AND THE PROCESS HAPPENED LIKE ONE TIRE EVERY 2 OR 3 DAYS.

IT STARTED ON 28TH OF OCTOBER AND THEN IT WENT.

ANOTHER TIRE WAS FLATTENED ON THE 31ST OF OCTOBER.

AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE ON THE 4TH OF NOVEMBER.

AND THEN THERE WERE THERE WAS ONE ON THE 6TH OF NOVEMBER AND THEN ON THE 7TH OF NOVEMBER, SO THAT'S FIVE TIRES.

ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, I TRIED TO COMMUNICATE WITH REGAL TOWERS BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL SAFE PARKING THERE ANYMORE.

I ASKED THEM IF THEY COULD INSTALL CAMERAS.

MORE CAMERAS IN THE PARKING LOT.

THE ONLY ONE THAT THEY THAT I KNOW OF THAT KIND OF POINTS IN THE DIRECTION OF THE PARKING LOT, IT'S KIND OF LOW, AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE IN MY CORNER WHERE MY PARKING STALL IS NO ACTIVITY CAN REALLY BE FOUND ON THE CAMERA.

I WAS ASSIGNED A OR A POLICE INVESTIGATOR STARTED INVESTING, INVESTIGATING, AND AFTER ABOUT TWO AND A HALF WEEKS, HE SAID ACTUALLY, HE CALLED ME UP ON THE PHONE AND SAID, WHAT'S UP? LIKE AS IF HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HE WAS INVESTIGATING.

ANYWAY, HE TOLD ME HE DIDN'T WANT TO EVEN BOTHER LOOKING AT THE VIDEO BECAUSE IT WOULD TAKE TOO MUCH TIME.

AND OF COURSE, I SAID HE CAN WHY CAN'T HE FAST FORWARD THE VIDEO OR SKIP AROUND, YOU KNOW SEE WHERE MAYBE A TIRE OR WHERE.

ANYWAY, I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO MUCH INTO ALL THAT.

THERE'S NEW TECHNIQUES NOWADAYS WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHO GATHERS AROUND A VEHICLE USING THE PINGS TO THE CELL TOWERS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE POLICE KNOW ABOUT THAT NEW TECHNIQUE, BUT IT'S BEING USED.

YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR ABOUT IT IN THE NEWS, DEPENDING ON WHICH NEWS SOURCE YOU LISTEN TO.

BUT ANYWAY SO I WAS WONDERING IF YOU.

OKAY, SINCE NOBODY WOULD HELP ME.

ACTUALLY, THE MAN IN CHARGE OF THE VIDEO CAMERAS CAME OUT AND YELLED AT ME FOR.

HE TOLD ME, DON'T TALK TO HIS OFFICE WORKERS OR MANAGERS OR EVEN TO HIMSELF ANYMORE.

YOU KNOW, HE DIDN'T REALLY SPECIFY THAT I CAN'T GO TO HIM AND JUST TALK ABOUT GENERAL THINGS, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY, THEY GAVE ME A EVICTION NOTICE AND IN THE EVICTION NOTICE THEY SAID I NEEDED TO SIGN A, I FORGET WHAT IT'S CALLED, A LEASE FOR THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.

I LIVED THERE FOR TWO YEARS AND FIVE MONTHS AND ACCORDING TO THE LEASE AND ALSO THE LAW THAT THEY CITED, IT SAYS THAT THE APARTMENT COMPLEX IS SUPPOSED TO AUTOMATICALLY RENEW MY LEASE.

AND AND WHAT THEY WANTED ME TO SIGN PERTAINED ONLY TO PETS.

PETS, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T HAVE A PET.

SO IN A WAY, THIS IS I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE GIVING ME AN EVICTION NOTICE ON THAT SUBJECT.

IT COULD RELATE SOMEHOW TO THE FLAT TIRES, YOU KNOW.

YOU KNOW, HARASSMENT OF ME OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, FOR GOING TO THEM AND ASKING THEM.

BUT ANYWAY, I'M HERE MAINLY JUST TO TELL YOU.

OR ASK YOU, ACTUALLY, SINCE NO ONE ELSE WILL HELP ME.

CAN CAN YOU INSTALL OR SUPPLY MONEY TO HAVE CAMERAS IN OUR PARKING LOT OF REGAL TOWERS THAT ACTUALLY CAN SEE ANY ACTIVITY GOING ON.

A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY THAT THIS IS LIKE A PARTS PLACE, YOU KNOW, WHERE ANYBODY CAN COME THERE AND STEAL PARTS OFF CARS.

ANYWAY SO I'M JUST ASKING YOU, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCEDURE IS, BUT CAN YOU SUPPLY MONEY OR GET OUR APARTMENT COMPLEX TO INSTALL CAMERAS IN THE PARKING LOT.

WE COULD NOT PUT CAMERAS ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY, NOR FORCE THEM TO PUT THEM ON THEIR THEIR COMMUNITY, THEIR PUBLIC HOUSING.

MAYBE YOU GUYS ALREADY SUPPLY MONEY TO THEM.

THEY'RE CALLED MUNICIPAL.

WE DON'T SUPPLY ANY MONEY TO THEM.

OH, YOU DON'T. NO, IT'S IT'S LOOSELY AFFILIATED WITH THE CITY.

I THINK WE I CHOOSE THE BOARD, AND THEN I SIGN THEIR YEAR END ANNUAL REPORT EVERY YEAR.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT HAS NO FUNCTION WHATSOEVER WITH THE CITY.

I THINK MAYBE YOU MAY BE THE BENEFICIARY OF CAMERA SYSTEMS ON THE NEW PUBLIC HEALTH BUILDING, THOUGH.

[01:40:06]

THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING, TOO.

AND I EVEN TOLD THE POLICE, THE POLICE INVESTIGATOR ABOUT THAT, BUT HE SAID HE DIDN'T WANT TO SPEND THE TIME.

KIND OF IN THAT SAME VEIN, WHEN YOU GOT YOUR TIRES FIXED, DID THEY TELL YOU WHAT CAUSED? BECAUSE. OH, YEAH, I OBVIOUSLY COULD SEE IT.

THE FIRST TIRE WAS PROBABLY A BIGGER KNIFE AND THEY TWISTED IT.

SO THERE WAS LIKE A HALF A CIRCLE OF CUT.

SO IT'S IN THE SIDEWALL? YEAH. ALL OF THEM WERE ON THE SIDEWALLS.

MAYBE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW PUBLIC HEALTH BUILDING HAD LEFT SOME NAILS IN THE AREA, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

AND THE OTHER CUTS WERE ALL THE SAME.

THEY'RE SOMEWHAT SHAPED LIKE A T OR AN L, BUT YOU COULD GUESS THAT MAYBE A BOX CUTTER WAS USED OR SOMETHING WITH A REALLY THIN BLADE, BUT IT WAS ENOUGH TO FLATTEN ALL MY TIRES, AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE TO GO TO.

YOU KNOW, IT COSTS MONEY.

I'M A POOR PERSON, THAT'S WHY I'M LIVING IN PUBLIC HOUSING.

AND I HAD TO ASK MY SISTER TO DRIVE ME PLACES BECAUSE I HAD NO TRANSPORTATION TO TRY TO GET TIRES.

BUT I'M AFRAID TO INSTALL THEM ON MY VEHICLE BECAUSE THEY MIGHT JUST BE FLATTENED AGAIN.

AND SO THE REGAL TOWERS MANAGEMENT AND ALL THAT, THEY DON'T SEEM TO CARE WHATSOEVER.

I DON'T EVEN SEE HOW IT'S A SAFE ENVIRONMENT ANYMORE TELL YOU THE TRUTH.

AND THEY TOLD ME TO GO PARK SOMEWHERE ELSE AND SOMEONE ELSE'S PARKING LOT.

GIVE ME A CALL TOMORROW AND I'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE POLICE OFFICER ON DUTY DOWNSTAIRS AND SEE WHAT HE RECOMMENDS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ACTUALLY, THE POLICE DID RECOMMEND THAT I COME HERE.

YEAH. NOT THE INVESTIGATOR, BUT SOME OTHER POLICEMAN.

OKAY. OKAY.

THANK YOU. WE'LL DO THAT.

THANK YOU. NICE TO MEET YOU.

ANYBODY FROM THE COUNCIL? IF NOT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU. HAVE A GREAT WEEK.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.