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>> IS BRENDA MINEWARING WITH THE IOS FOUNDATION CYCLE 2 GRANT AWARDS?
>> AFTERNOON. BEFORE I START, QUICK UPDATE ON THE COUNCIL OF SURVEY.
HOPEFULLY, ALL OF YOU HAVE TAKEN IT.
IF YOU HAVEN'T YET TAKEN IT, IT'S STILL AVAILABLE UNTIL AUGUST 9TH, I THINK.
THE CHAMBER AND THE CITY HAVE BEEN AMAZING PARTNERS, AND WITH THEIR EFFORT TO GET IT OUT THERE AND USING SOCIAL MEDIA EFFECTIVELY, WE HAVE HAD MORE THAN 2000 RESPONSES.
NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS IS TO DO SOME FOCUS GROUPS TO HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RESULTS MEAN.
ALL OF YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN WELL.
ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE GOTTEN AN INVITATION.
THANK YOU TO THE COUPLE WHO HAVE RESPONDED.
BUT THEY'RE ONLY VIRTUAL SESSIONS, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T OVERREPRESENT IN ANY OF THEM IF YOU SIGN UP, BUT WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOUR VOICES IN THAT, TOO.
YOU HAVE AN EMAIL IN YOUR BOX AS OF TODAY.
WE'RE GOING TO SEND IT TO THE NEXT LIST OF FOLKS COMING UP TOMORROW.
HOPE YOU'RE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE.
ON TO THE CYCLE 2 GRANTS, THIS ANNOUNCEMENT SHOULD COME OUT IN THE PAPER TOMORROW.
WHAT YOU GOT WAS SORT OF PRELIMINARY. SAME INFORMATION.
WE HAVE DISTRIBUTED MORE THAN FOUR MILLION IN GRANTS THIS CYCLE TO 40 DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.
WITH A PRETTY SOLID FOCUS ON YOUNG PEOPLE BOTH WITHIN TRADITIONAL SCHOOL SETTINGS, BUT ALSO A LOT OF EXTRACURRICULAR AND ENRICHMENT ACTIVITIES TO HELP THEM GROW, REALLY FROM BIRTH TO GRADUATION.
THEN WE ALSO, OF COURSE, ARE STILL FOCUSED ON REPAIRING HOMES AND ADDING HOMES TO THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S ACTUALLY THE GRANT TO CHILD SAVING INSTITUTE FOR THEIR OPERATING COST IN COUNCIL BLUFFS.
THERE'S A LOT OF CONTINGENCIES.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY A PLEDGE TO CHILD SAVING INSTITUTE.
WE ALSO ARE WORKING WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, BOTH ON THEIR WORKFORCE PROGRAMMING AND TO HELP [INAUDIBLE] TO MOVE FORWARD TO DECIDE WHAT IT IS THAT THEIR PRIORITIES NEED TO BE.
THAT'S REFERRED TO AS A CAPACITY BUILDING GRANT.
AS AN ORGANIZATION, CAN REALLY GET THEIR FEET UNDERNEATH THEM AND MOVE FORWARD.
COUNCIL OF SCHOOLS FOUNDATION, OUR STARS PROGRAM, SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM, WHICH IS THE OLDEST PROGRAM WE HAVE EXISTED FOR ABOUT AS LONG AS IOWA WEST HAS.
EARN WHILE YOU LEARN WITH IOWA WESTERN, WHICH IS ALSO TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE WORKFORCE TO SERVE ALL THE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA.
PROJECT HOUSEWORKS, THAT'S A NEW ORGANIZATION.
WE KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF HOUSES IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT NEED TO BE REHABBED.
WE CONTINUE TO SUPPORT HABITAT AND OTHERS.
BUT WE'RE ADDING A NEW ONE THAT'S APPROACHED US COMING IN FROM OMAHA TO DO SOME HOME REPAIRS FOR OLDER ADULTS.
WE ALSO ARE LAUNCHING A NEW HOUSING STABILITY PROGRAM WITH THE FUNDS MANAGED THROUGH TOGETHER INC. THAT'S 150,000.
IT'S GOING TO WORK A LOT WITH CARING FOR OUR COMMUNITIES THROUGH JENNY EDMONDSON FOUNDATION.
ALL OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT SERVE AT RISK POPULATIONS KNOW THAT THE BEST WAY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM IS TO KEEP PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE, IN THEIR HOME, WHEREVER THEY'RE LIVING.
THIS FUND WILL BE AVAILABLE TO PAY FOR THINGS THAT EVERYBODY CAN UNDERSTAND PUTS PEOPLE AT RISK OF MAKING THEIR NEXT RENT PAYMENT.
IF THEY CAN'T GET TO WORK BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET THEIR CAR FIXED, THEN THEY NEED A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY TO GET THEIR CAR FIXED.
THIS WE MONITORED THROUGH TOGETHER INC TO DO THOSE THINGS TO KEEP RESIDENTS HOUSED.
THEN, ASPIRE IN HIGH SCHOOL WORKFORCE TRAINING SERVES ALL THE SCHOOLS IN [INAUDIBLE] COUNTY AND THE COUNCIL +1 PATHWAYS PROGRAM GETS 325,000 FOR THAT.
>> CAN YOU SEND US AN EMAIL WITH A FULL [OVERLAPPING].
>> I'LL STILL NEED THE PRESS RELEASE.
>> ANYTHING ELSE? WAS THAT INCLUDED IN WHAT YOU SENT ME? THERE'S AN UPDATED ONE.
HAS A SLIGHTLY MORE INFORMATION.
I'LL SEND IT OUT TO EVERYBODY TOMORROW. GREAT. THANK YOU.
[B. Eric Miller - CB Transit Services]
>> WE HAVE ERIC MILLER HERE WITH THE COUNCIL BUS TRANSIT SERVICES.
>> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ERIC MILLER.
I'M CURRENTLY THE STREETCAR OPERATIONS MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF OMAHA.
I JUST RECENTLY HIRED, AND BEFORE THAT, I WAS AN TRANSIT PLANNING CONSULTANT [NOISE] AND LEVIG AND THE PROJECT MANAGER ON THE STUDY.
I FELT BEST TO COME BACK AND GIVE YOU AN OVERALL UPDATE ON THIS.
WE WERE ABLE TO FINISH THIS JUST BEFORE I WENT TO CITY OF OMAHA.
THE COUNCIL BUS TRANSIT STUDY IS BASICALLY A STUDY OF THE EXISTING TRANSIT SERVICES FOR SHORT-TERM IMPROVEMENTS AND ENHANCEMENTS.
ESSENTIALLY, WE TOOK A UPDATED A STUDY THAT WAS DONE IN 2021.
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A LOT OF THE WORK THAT, LIKE OUTREACH AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE DIDN'T INCORPORATE IN THIS STUDY BECAUSE IT MADE THE BUDGET A LOT BIGGER, SO WE WERE ABLE TO USE THAT FROM THE PREVIOUS STUDY.THEN WE UPDATED SOME OF THE METRICS THAT I'LL GO THROUGH WITH YOU.
THEN I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AT THE END.
WE HAD THREE MAIN GOALS FOR THIS STUDY.
FIRST, AN ANALYSIS OF THE EXISTING FIXED ROUTE AND PARATRANSIT SERVICE.
THE BLUE AND YELLOW ROUTES THAT YOU SEE OUT TODAY, IN ADDITION TO THE PARATRANSIT SERVICE.
WE ALSO CREATED A PARATRANSIT OPERATIONS CONTRACT RFP THAT WENT OUT EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND YOU SELECTED A NEW OPERATOR.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE OUTCOMES OF THE STUDY.
THEN ALSO THIRD IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF TRANSIT SERVICE OPTIONS WITH COST ESTIMATES.
IN OTHER WORDS, NOW THAT WE KNOW, FROM THE ANALYSIS OF THE TRANSIT SERVICE, WHAT DO WE DO NEXT, AND WHAT ARE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND OUTCOMES GOING FORWARD? FIRST OF ALL, WITH THE FIXED ROUTE SERVICE ANALYSIS, THESE ARE ALL NEW NUMBERS WE LOOKED AT FISCAL YEAR 2024 DATA.
THE ANNUAL RIDERSHIP WITH THE BLUE AND YELLOW ROUTES IS 118,000.
BUT WE DID A LITTLE BIT MORE IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS OF THIS.
PARTICULARLY WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS TO BREAK OUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN WEST BROADWAY VERSUS THE OUTER LOOPS OF THE ROUTES.
THE RED LINE THAT YOU SEE UP THERE, THOSE ARE MONTHLY AVERAGES OF THE WEST BROADWAY SEGMENT, AND THEN THE GREEN LINE THAT YOU SEE DOWN THERE ARE AVERAGES FOR THE OUTER LOOP PARTS OF THE ROUTES.
WE BROKE IT DOWN INTO WHAT WE CALL BOARDINGS PER HOUR, WHICH MEANS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GETTING ON THE BUS EACH HOUR.
WE FELT THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD WAY TO COMPARE THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE ROUTES.
WHAT WE FOUND OUT IS THAT, NOT SURPRISINGLY, WEST BROADWAY IS DOING REALLY WELL WITH THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS GETTING ON THE BUS.
A THRESHOLD THAT WE TYPICALLY USE IN THE TRANSIT INDUSTRY IS IF A ROUTE HAS BELOW FIVE PASSENGERS BOARDING PER HOUR, IT REALLY DOESN'T REQUIRE FIXED ROUTE SERVICE.
IT'S NOT GETTING ENOUGH PASSENGERS FOR A BUS THAT'S ON A SPECIFIC ROUTE, YOU'RE RUNNING HOURLY LATER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT THE OUTER PARTS OF THE BLUE AND YELLOW ROUTE REALLY DO NOT SUPPORT FIXED ROUTE TRANSIT THAT THEY HAVE TODAY.
YET WEST BROADWAY IS DOING REALLY WELL, AND IT'S ACTUALLY SLIGHTLY ABOVE THE AVERAGE PASSENGER BOARDINGS PER HOUR FOR THE WHOLE OMAHA METRO. THAT WAS REALLY GOOD.
THAT MAP THERE SHOWS LITTLE DOTS IN SIZE OF RIDERSHIP BY STOP.
YOU GET A GOOD IDEA OF THE TRENDING FOR THE RIDERSHIP AND WHERE THE MOST BOARDINGS ARE HAPPENING.
WHAT WE PROPOSED IS CHANGING THE ROUTE STRUCTURE SO THAT YOU'RE REALLY JUST FOCUSING ON WEST BROADWAY AND HAVING REALLY GOOD SERVICE THERE.
BASICALLY HAVING THE SAME SERVICE THAT YOU'RE HAVING TODAY, 30-MINUTE WEEKDAY, 60-MINUTE SATURDAY SERVICE, WE LOOKED AT THE COST FOR INCREASING THAT JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY IN CASE WE WANT TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE, WHICH VERY WELL COULD INCREASE IN THE FUTURE AS RIDERSHIP CONTINUES TO GROW.
THEN ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION THAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS REINTRODUCING SUNDAY SERVICE.
WE LOOKED AT A STUDY THAT WAS DONE AROUND 2010, AND THAT'S WHEN IT RECOMMENDED DISCONTINUING SUNDAY SERVICE, BUT IT LOOKED REALLY STRONG.
THEN WE ALSO DID A VERY SHORT SURVEY THAT WAS DONE IN-HOUSE WITH CITY COUNCIL BUFF STAFF, SURVEYING WRITERS ON THE BLUE AND YELLOW LINES.
AND THAT WAS A PRETTY COMMON ONE THAT CAME UP WAS, CAN WE BRING BACK SUNDAY SERVICE? WE DEFINITELY THINK THAT IT WOULD BE VIABLE.
WE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT COST ESTIMATES FOR THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, AS I MENTIONED, IN ADDITION TO THE 30-MINUTE WEEKDAY SERVICE.
WE LOOKED AT WHAT WOULD 15-MINUTE SERVICE LOOK LIKE, AND THEN WE COSTED OUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO INCREASE SERVICE ON SATURDAYS AND ALSO BRING BACK SUNDAY SERVICE.
AND WE LOOKED AT TWO DIFFERENT TERMINALS, EITHER JUST COMING NEAR DOWNTOWN, BROADWAY AND EIGHTH, OR GOING OUT TO KANESVILLE AND RIDGE.
THERE REALLY WASN'T MUCH DIFFERENCE BECAUSE YOU NEED ACTUALLY THE SAME NUMBER OF BUSES TO GO OUT TO THE KANESVILLE AND RIDGE AREA.
WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD SOLID ROUTE RUNNING BETWEEN THERE AND DOWNTOWN OMAHA.
WE ALSO TOOK A LOOK AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT SUBURBAN ROUTE OPTIONS.
IN OTHER WORDS, JUST HAVING A SEPARATE ROUTE SERVING THE FORMER BLUE AND YELLOW ROUTE AREAS.
THE YELLOW ROUTE HAD SLIGHTLY MORE PASSENGER SERVICE, SO WE LOOKED AT HAVING A ROUTE JUST BY ITSELF THAT WOULD REPLICATE THAT, BUT NOT RUNNING IT ALL THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
WE CAME UP WITH A COUPLE OF COST ALTERNATIVES IN CASE THAT'S AN OPTION TO STILL PROVIDE SOME TRANSIT SERVICE OUT THERE BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE SOME DESTINATIONS AND SOME EXISTING TRANSIT RIDERS, SO ACKNOWLEDGING THAT.
ANOTHER OPTION TO REPLACE THE BLUE AND YELLOW ROUTE SERVICE OUT ON THE FRINGES.
WE LOOKED AT MICROTRANSIT SERVICE.
WE MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH METRO TRANSIT IS GOING TO START MICROTRANSIT SERVICE THIS AUGUST IN THREE DIFFERENT ZONES.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH,
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HAVE DONE AT THE TRANSIT AGENCY THAT I WORKED FOR IN THE PAST.THIS WOULD BE A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE WHERE YOU DON'T NEED THE FIXED ROUTE SERVICE, BUT YOU WANT SOME TRANSIT SERVICE OUT THERE, AND IT'S A WAY TO MAKE IT MORE AFFORDABLE AND EFFICIENT FOR THE TRANSIT SERVICE.
WE LOOKED AT PROPOSING A ROUGHLY THREE-SQUARE-MILE ZONE WITH SOME AREAS WHERE THE BUS COULD GO OUT AND, FOR EXAMPLE, SERVE THE IOWA WESTERN COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS A WAY TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT AND LESS EXPENSIVE AND THEN IT COULD ALSO OPERATE WITH THE PARATRANSIT SERVICE.
THEN WE CAME UP WITH COST ESTIMATES FOR THESE.
ONE OPTION IS JUST RUNNING THE ZONE, AND THEN ANOTHER OPTION WE LOOKED AT IS PROVIDING WHAT'S CALLED THE FLEX ROUTE, WHERE IN THE PEAKS, LIKE THE MORNING AND AFTERNOON, YOU COULD PROVIDE MORE OR LESS A DEDICATED ROUTE THAT WOULD RUN, SAY FROM THE MIKE AND TYSON'S AREA UP TO DOWNTOWN, FOR EXAMPLE.
THAT WOULD COST SLIGHTLY MORE.
LOOKING AT THE PARATRANSIT ANALYSIS, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO DO WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PARATRANSIT PASSENGERS AREN'T LEFT OUT IF WE CHANGE THE ROUTE STRUCTURE.
WE ALSO JUST TOOK A LOOK AT WHERE PARATRANSIT PASSENGERS ARE COMING AND GOING.
THERE'S A LOT MORE DETAIL IN OUR FINAL REPORTS, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN READING THOSE.
ONE THING THAT WE FOUND IS THAT MOST USERS ARE WITHIN THE EXISTING THREE-QUARTER-MILE AREA.
THE PARATRANSIT COVERAGE AREA CURRENTLY COVERS THE CITY OF COUNCIL BLUFFS, AND I SHOULD ALSO NOTE THAT YOU CAN ALSO GET RIDES INTO DOWNTOWN OMAHA, THE VA MEDICAL CENTER, AND UNMC.
WE FOUND THAT THERE WEREN'T AS MANY PASSENGERS ACTUALLY GOING BEYOND DOWNTOWN OMAHA, SO WE RECOMMENDED JUST FOCUSING ON DOWNTOWN OMAHA AND LOOK AT SHRINKING THE COVERAGE AREA, PERHAPS MAYBE A MILE SURROUNDING THE ROUTES, AND THAT WOULD COVER MOST OF YOUR PASSENGERS.
THEN YOU COULD ALSO GRANDFATHER IN EXISTING RIDERS IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY COULD STILL BE CUSTOMERS, BUT JUST TRY NOT TO TAKE IN NEW PASSENGERS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE FIXED ROUTE AREA.
THEN WE CAME UP WITH DIFFERENT COST ESTIMATES FOR EXISTING PARATRANSIT SERVICE, AND THEN ADJUSTING THE ZONES AND HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST.
THEN ALSO REALIZING THAT CURRENTLY THERE'S NOT PARATRANSIT SERVICE ON SUNDAY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT FIXED ROUTE SERVICE ON SUNDAY, SO WHAT WOULD IT COST IF WE ADDED THAT BACK IN? ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT HERE IS THAT THIS WAS OUR COST ESTIMATE WAS ABOUT $750,000 FOR FISCAL YEAR NEXT YEAR WITH A NEW OPERATOR.
BUT ACTUALLY, THE OPERATOR THAT YOU SELECTED CAME IN UNDER THIS COST, SO IT'S ACTUALLY NOT AS EXPENSIVE.
IN GENERAL, HAVING A NEW OPERATOR WITH BETTER SERVICE AND THAT CAN BE RUN MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN THE FORMER OPERATOR, THE OPERATING HOURS SHOULD GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT'LL BE MORE EFFICIENT, BUT THEIR COSTS WILL BE SLIGHTLY HIGHER, SO IT SHOULD BALANCE OUT.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE THINKING, BUT IT CAME IN A LITTLE BIT EVEN CHEAPER THAN THAT.
WE ALSO RECOMMENDED SOME MULTIMODAL IMPROVEMENTS IN THE STUDY, SUCH AS CREATING MOBILITY HUBS WHERE PASSENGERS ARE ABLE TO TRANSFER AND ALSO ACCESS OTHER MULTIMODAL OPTIONS TO HELP WITH THAT FIRST LAST MILE THAT YOU HEAR SO OFTEN, HOW TO GET PASSENGERS TO THEIR DESTINATION OR FROM THEIR ORIGIN TO THE BUS, IF THE FIXED ROUTE DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY THERE.
THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT A POSSIBILITY OF THIS LITTLE MAP SHOWS WHERE THE BUS COULD TERMINATE ON THE EAST END NEAR THE KANESVILLE, RIDGE STOP OUT BY THE HOSPITALS AND LOOKING AT, THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL OPTIONS FOR REUSING THE SURFACE LOTS IF YOU WERE ABLE TO BUILD A NEW PARKING GARAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND TO HAVE MAYBE A PARK AND RIDE OUT THERE, FOR EXAMPLE.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT OTHER MULTI MODAL CONNECTIONS ACROSS THE SYSTEM AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, AND SUCH AS ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE HIGHLY RECOMMENDED IS MAKING SURE THAT ON THE FIXED ROUTE THAT THERE'S SPECIFIC BUS STOPS WHERE THE BUS SHOULD STOP AND PICK UP PASSENGERS AND DROP THEM OFF AS OPPOSED TO THE CURRENT SYSTEM NOW OF BEING ABLE TO PICK PEOPLE UP ANYWHERE ALONG THE ROUTE WHEREVER THEY'RE STANDING.
IT CREATES A BIT OF A HAZARD FOR BOTH THE OPERATOR AND THE PASSENGERS GETTING ON AND OFF.
AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL DETAILED IN OUR REPORT AS WELL.
AS FAR AS ANNUAL COST ESTIMATE SUMMARY, WE ESTIMATED THAT IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2026, STARTING NOW, WOULD BE ABOUT 2.5 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE EXISTING SERVICE, AND THAT'S A CULMINATION OF WHAT YOU'RE PAYING METRO TO OPERATE IN ADDITION TO THE PARATRANSIT SERVICE.
BUT THE OPTIONS THAT WE CAME UP WITH WOULD BE SLIGHTLY CHEAPER THAN THAT, RUNNING SLIGHTLY MORE EFFICIENT SERVICE, BUT STILL BASICALLY HAVING THE SAME OVERALL OPERATING HOURS, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE A BUNCH OF BUS OPERATORS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT SHOULD STILL TAKE THE SAME AMOUNT OF BUS OPERATORS, BUT JUST DONE MORE EFFICIENTLY AND LESS COSTLY, AND THEN HOPEFULLY INCREASE THAT RIDERSHIP.
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THE 2.4 MILLION DOLLAR OPTION THAT WE LOOKED AT INCLUDES ESSENTIALLY KEEPING SERVICE THE SAME ON WEST BROADWAY, BUT ADDING THAT SUNDAY 60-MINUTE SERVICE FOR PART OF THE DAY.THEN, INCLUDING THE MICROTRANSIT ZONE THAT I SHOWED YOU, AND THEN THE PARATRANSIT SERVICE THAT BASICALLY MATCHES WHAT IS RUNNING TODAY.
AGAIN, THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS THAT ARE DETAILED IN THE STUDY.
BUT THIS WAS WHAT WE'VE THOUGHT WOULD BE THE MOST FAVORABLE AFTER THE ANALYSIS AND THE OUTREACH THAT WE DID.
THAT'S BASICALLY A SUMMARY OF OUR STUDY, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
>>NOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT I GUESS ONE.
IN THIS, AND YOU TALK ABOUT THE MICROTRANSIT, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHT YET, OR MAYBE THIS IS A DIFFERENT SET OF WORKS TO BE DOING, BUT CHANGING FROM OUR CURRENT SYSTEM TO MORE OF A RAPID TRANSIT SYSTEM ALONG THE MAIN ARTERIAL FLOWS, AND THEN RUNNING MICROTRANSIT EXTERIOR FROM THAT.
>> I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT.
THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS SETS YOU UP FOR.
>> YEAH. YOU'VE GOT THE MAIN ROUTE CURRENTLY ON WEST BROADWAY, THAT GREEN LINE, THAT SETS YOU UP [OVERLAPPING] AND THEN MICROTRANSIT CONNECTING.
NOTICE THAT WE'VE GOT IT CONNECTING AT THREE OF THE MOBILITY HUBS THAT WE POINTED OUT.
>> THEN, IN THIS CASE, WE WOULD NOT HAVE A SOUTHERN RUNNING ROUTE THEN, WOULD WE? THE GREEN IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WOULD BE THE MAIN, AND EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD SHOOT OFF?
>> EXACTLY, SO KEEP THE FIXED ROUTE BUS RUNNING WHERE IT PROVIDES THE MOST BENEFIT.
>> YEAH, AND HAS THE MOST RIDERSHIP POTENTIAL AND THEN STILL PROVIDES SERVICE DOWN IN THE SOUTHERN AREA, BUT DO IT MORE EFFICIENTLY WITH THE MICROTRANSIT.
>> WAS THOUGHT PUT AT ALL TO THE MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTERS WITH THAT?
>> YEAH, AND THIS COVERS ALL OF THEM.
I SHOULD MENTION THAT WE DID REACH OUT TO IOWA WESTERN COMMUNITY COLLEGE, TYSONS, AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT I'M FORGETTING.
BUT WE DID REACH OUT TO SOME OF THE MAJOR EMPLOYERS TO TRY TO GET THEIR THOUGHTS, EVEN THOUGH, LIKE I MENTIONED, THE PREVIOUS STUDY DID A LOT OF THAT OUTREACH.
BUT WE WANTED TO REFRESH THAT A LITTLE BIT AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY STILL HAD THE SAME EMPLOYEE TIMES AND THAT SORT OF THING.
>> HOW IS OMAHA GOING TO SET UP THEIR MICROTRANSIT? THE THIRD-PARTY CONTRACTOR?
>> GOOD QUESTION. THEY'RE USING THIS COMPANY CALLED VIA.
WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE A SUBGROUP OF VIA, SO THAT'S THE COMPANY THAT YOU SELECTED FOR YOUR PARATRANSIT SERVICE, SO IT'LL BE THE SAME COMPANY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE MADE SURE TO PUT IN THE PARATRANSIT OPERATOR CONTRACT, RFP, IS THE POSSIBILITY OF ALSO ADDING SOME MICROTRANSIT SERVICE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
IT'S A FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT, SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU HAVE TO DO IT IMMINENTLY, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNEW THAT WAS A POSSIBILITY.
>> VIA IS REPLACING STS, RIGHT?
>> I DON'T THINK THIS IS WORKING. THAT'S FINE.
I HAD 118,000 PEOPLE A YEAR RIDE IT, SO IF YOU TAKE OUT SUNDAYS, THAT'S ABOUT, I THINK, 377 PEOPLE A DAY ROUGHLY.
THE COST IS A LITTLE OVER 2.4 MILLION.
WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT, OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A HUGE NEED FOR IT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
PEOPLE NEED TO RIDE THIS AND HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE PLACES THEY NEED TO GO, BUT WHEN YOU BREAK THAT DOWN BY PERSON, THAT'S A HUGE COST PER PERSON.
>> YOU CAN BUY EVERYONE A CAR.
>> YOU CAN LITERALLY ALMOST BUY EVERYBODY A CAR, LIKE YOU SAID.
WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON AROUND THE UNITED STATES? WHAT ARE PEOPLE DOING? IS THIS THE NORMAL? IS THIS THE COST FOR EVERY CITY IN AMERICA?
>> YEAH, I WOULD SAY THIS IS FAIRLY NORMAL.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S PRETTY SIMILAR TO STUDIES THAT WE'VE DONE, AND AT THE PREVIOUS TRANSIT AGENCY THAT I WORKED FOR, WE WOULD GO THROUGH EFFICIENCIES LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME.
WHAT YOU'RE SPENDING NOW IS A LITTLE HIGHER AND NOT AS EFFECTIVE OR EFFICIENT AS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN HERE.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, IS BALANCE THAT OUT BETTER.
BUT IT'S AN INVESTMENT, AND IT'S A PUBLIC SERVICE, IS THE WAY WE LOOK AT IT. IT'S PRETTY COMMON.
>> ERIC, CAN YOU EXPLAIN JUST LOGISTICALLY HOW MICROTRANSIT WORKS FOR
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THE USER AND HOW THAT MIGHT BE THE SAME OR DIFFERENT FROM THE PARATRANSIT? SINCE YOU SAID IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE THE SAME PROVIDER, SINCE OUR PROVIDER OF PARATRANSIT IS THE PROVIDER FOR MICROTRANSIT IN OMAHA.COULD YOU HELP EXPLAIN TO US HOW THAT WORKS?
THANK YOU. PARATRANSIT, MICROTRANSIT ARE FAIRLY SIMILAR IN OPERATION.
THE MAIN DIFFERENCE WITH PARATRANSIT IS IT'S A SHUTTLE AND YOU'RE PROVIDING A BETTER SERVICE TO THE PASSENGER, SO REALLY PICKING THEM UP AT THEIR DOOR AND MAKING SURE THEY GET ON THE VEHICLE CORRECTLY.
WHEREAS WITH MICROTRANSIT, IT'S FAIRLY SIMILAR, SO YOU'RE RUNNING WITH A SMALLER BUS.
YOU'RE NOT CARRYING AS MANY PEOPLE, BUT YOU'RE STILL GROUPING TRIPS LIKE PARATRANSIT.
YOU'RE ALSO USUALLY MAKING PEOPLE COME TO A COMMON MEET POINT OR MAYBE A MORE COMMON INTERSECTION AND NOT PICKING THEM UP RIGHT AT THEIR FRONT DOOR.
IT'S LIKE CURB TO CURB AS OPPOSED TO DOOR-TO-DOOR SERVICE.
IN SOME TRANSIT AGENCIES, THERE'S WHAT THEY CALL CO-MINGLING OF THE TWO SERVICES.
IN OTHER WORDS, SOMETIMES A PARATRANSIT VEHICLE WILL DO A PARATRANSIT TRIP AND THEN DO A MICROTRANSIT TRIP AFTER THAT, BUT NOT ALL VEHICLES CAN DO BOTH.
SOME ARE NOT ABLE TO CARRY THE ADA PASSENGERS, AND THAT SORT OF THING, SO YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT.
BUT THAT IS ONE THING THAT VIA DOES, IS THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO CO-MINGLE.
BUT AGAIN, WITH MICROTRANSIT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROVIDING THAT BASIC SERVICE TO A GENERAL TRANSIT PASSENGER, MAKING THEM WALK A LITTLE BIT FARTHER, AND THAT SORT OF THING, AND THEN GROUPING SIMILAR TRIPS.
WHEN I'VE BOOKED MICROTRANSIT TRIPS IN THE PAST, USUALLY I'LL SAY I WANT TO GO FROM HERE TO HERE AND GET THERE AT THIS TIME, AND THEY'LL SAY, WELL, I'M PICKING UP THESE PEOPLE OR WHATEVER, CAN I GET YOU AT THIS TIME AND MAKE YOU GET THERE? YOU HAVE TO MAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A COMPROMISE, AS IF YOU WERE FIGURING OUT A BUS SCHEDULE.
DOES THAT HELP EXPLAIN IT A LITTLE BIT?
>> YOU'RE SAYING IT WORKS MORE LIKE AN UBER FOR BUSES?
>> A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS, AGAIN, YOU'RE GROUPING TRIPS.
>> I LIKE TO USE AN ANALOGY IT'S LIKE AN ELEVATOR RIDE.
MAYBE SOMETIMES YOU'RE IN THE ELEVATOR BY YOURSELF, BUT USUALLY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE IN AN OFFICE BUILDING, YOU'RE SHARING IT WITH PEOPLE, BUT YOU'RE GETTING OFF AT DIFFERENT FLOORS, SO IT'LL GROUP YOU FOR A WHILE, AND THEN YOU SPLIT UP.
>> BUT THE FUNDING OF THE SERVICE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SIZED FOR JUST THAT YELLOW SHADED AREA, SO IT'S NOT EVERY PLACE IN TOWN THAT WOULD BE SERVED BY THE MICROTRANSIT; THERE WOULD BE PEOPLE THAT WOULD NOT HAVE MICROTRANSIT SERVICE UNDER THIS SCENARIO.
>> ANYONE IN THE WEST END WOULD NOW HAVE TO WALK, CRUTCH, OR WHEEL THEMSELVES DOWN TO BROADWAY OR DO A PARATRANSIT.
>> USUALLY, A MICROTRANSIT, YOU SET UP ZONES.
>> PARATRANSIT IS STILL ANYWHERE IN THE CITY?
>> YES, OR AT LEAST FOR EXISTING USERS, WHEREAS MICROTRANSIT IS IN SET-UP ZONES.
THIS IS SET UP TO BOTH SERVE THE SAME AREAS THAT WAS WORKING WELL FOR THE BLUE AND THE YELLOW ROUTES.
THIS BASICALLY COVERS THE ENTIRE YELLOW ROUTE.
THEN ALSO CONTINUES SERVING THOSE AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE A FAIR NUMBER OF TRANSIT PASSENGERS, LIKE METRO CROSSING THE MARKETPLACE, BUT YOU REALLY DON'T NEED A FIXED BUS.
>> PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CHANGE OR THE SOURCE OF HOW YOU'RE REALLOCATING THINGS IS THAT YELLOW ROUTE SERVICE OR MAYBE EVEN THE BLUE ROUTE WENT THERE.
ACTUALLY, MAYBE IT WAS THE BLUE ROUTE TO THE MALL OF THE BLUFFS AREA.
AT THE TIME THAT THAT ROUTE WAS DESIGNED, IT WAS A MIXED-USE MULTI-FUNCTION RETAIL CENTER, AND IT IS NOT THAT CASE ANYMORE THAT WOULD REQUIRE OR HAVE AS MUCH DEMAND FOR TRANSIT. THAT'S PROBABLY THE MAIN DIFFERENCE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> ALONG WITH THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE, WHICH I DON'T THINK PROBABLY HAS MUCH RIDERSHIP ANYMORE, EITHER.
>> I REMEMBER THEY USED TO HAVE ONE DORM BUILDING.
IT WAS A COMPLETE COMMUTER CAMPUS, AND NOW THEY'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF ON-PREMISE STUFF.
>> SORRY, THIS IS JILL. I GOT THE POWERPOINT FROM JODY A LITTLE BIT AGO, SO I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO DIG FULLY IN, AND I'M APOLOGIZING THAT I'M NOT THERE IN PERSON.
BUT WITH THE POTENTIAL OF SOCIAL SECURITY OFFICE REQUIRING PEOPLE TO COME IN ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR, HAVE WE LOOKED AT EXPANDING THE ROUTE TO THE SOCIAL SECURITY OFFICES?
>> TWELVE THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.
COMING OFF 24TH STREET, THE BLOCK AND A HALF TO GO INTO SOCIAL SECURITY, THEY WANTED AN ADDITIONAL $12,000 A YEAR.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
IF THEY'RE GOING TO REQUIRE OUR ELDERLY CITIZENS OR CITIZENS THAT NEED TO GO IN ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE.
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>> THAT WOULD EITHER BE COVERED BY PARATRANSIT TRIPS, IF THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR PARATRANSIT TRIPS, OR UNDER THE SCENARIO THAT ERIC IS SHARING WITH US, IN THAT YELLOW SHADED AREA, THAT SOCIAL SECURITY OFFICE IS COVERED WITHIN THAT YELLOW AREA.
>> IT JUST DOESN'T RUN ON A SCHEDULE LIKE NORTH AND SOUTH, YOU SCHEDULE IT LIKE AN APP OR SOMETHING?
>> IS THERE AN APP? YOU JUST SIGN UP?
>> YEAH. FOR EXAMPLE, WITH VIA, THEY HAVE A REALLY ROBUST DISPATCHING SYSTEM, AND THEY SHOWED IT TO ME.
THEY'RE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING FROM HERE TO THERE AND THEN GROUP THOSE TRIPS AND THEN MAKE IT EFFICIENT, AND THEN STILL TRY TO GET THEM.
>> WHERE DO THEY PICK THEM UP? THEY PICK THEM IN A TRANSIT BUS, STILL, RIGHT? LIKE A SHUTTLE BUS?
>> YEAH, EXACTLY. IT'S LIKE THE CURRENT STS VEHICLES.
THAT'S USUALLY WHAT YOU THINK OF.
>> BUT I THINK ALSO WHAT ERIC WAS SAYING, LET'S SAY YOU LIVE ON A CUL-DE-SAC OR A DEAD-END STREET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY MAY REQUIRE YOU TO WALK TO THE END OF THE BLOCK TO GET PICKED UP.
>> JUST LIKE YOU DID AS A KID TO GET TO THE BUS STOP, YOU'VE GOT TO GO TO THE CORNER AND THEN POP UP ON BUS 33.
>> BRANDON, I DON'T REMEMBER, HE SAID HE UPDATED THE STUDY FROM 2021.
WHAT DID THE STUDY TO DO THIS COST US? [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'M SORRY. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING.
THE MAYOR IS CROSS-TALKING WITH SOMEBODY.
>> I'M NOT TALKING WITH ANYBODY.
>> ERIC SAID HE UPDATED THE STUDY FROM 2021, WHAT DID THIS STUDY COST US?
AGENCIES ARE REQUIRED TO BE ON A BUS TRANSIT ROUTE IF BUS TRANSIT IS AVAILABLE, SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD BEAR THE COST OF GETTING THOSE PEOPLE THERE RATHER THAN THE CITY COUNCIL.
>> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A ROUTE BECAUSE FRANK [INAUDIBLE] IS PROPOSING THAT THEY GO IN PERSON TWO TIMES A YEAR.
I KNOW HE'S GOING TO PUSH FOR ONE, BUT HE IS PROPOSING TWO TIMES A YEAR, SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE PROPER TRANSPORTATION.
I'M JUST THINKING OF MY GRANDMA, WHO WAS 100 YEARS OLD WHEN SHE PASSED AWAY, NEEDING TO GO THERE.
THEY CAN'T WALK BLOCKS AND BLOCKS.
I DON'T DISAGREE; THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE THE ONE PAYING, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A ROUTE AVAILABLE.
> WELL, I THINK THAT'S THE MICROTRANSIT OR PARATRANSIT, BUT I ALSO DON'T SEE WHY 2.4 MILLION, THAT'S ANOTHER 12,000.
HONESTLY, TO GET THEM THERE, THAT'S CRAZY. IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
>> I DON'T REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY, BUT THESE NUMBERS ARE CLOSE.
IT'S $13 A RIDE OF WHICH THE RIDER PAYS $1.50.
ARE WE REQUIRED BY IOWA LAW TO PROVIDE MASS TRANSIT?
>> I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS ON THAT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> OR REQUIRED FOR SDS SERVICE IF WE PROVIDE MASS TRANSIT.
>> IF YOU'RE GETTING FEDERAL FUNDING FOR TRANSIT, THEN THERE IS SOME STIPULATION FOR THAT.
>> WHAT PERCENT OF THE 2.5 MILLION IS FEDERALLY FUNDED? [OVERLAPPING]
>> COVERED. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.
WHAT'S LOCAL COVERED VERSUS FEDERALLY COVERED?
>> IT'S ABOUT A MILLION, A MILLION TWO, HALF OF IT.
>> YOU THOUGHT ERIC WAS GOING TO PRESENT AND WALK AWAY.
>> DO YOU NEED YOUR CHEAT SHEET OVER THERE NOW?
>> I HAVE A SHEET, BUT IT'S NOT CORRECT.
>> BECAUSE THIS IS JUST COUNCIL, WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THIS OR ANYTHING?
>> NO, THIS IS JUST INFORMATIONAL. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YEAH. BUT THE FUNDING SOURCES FOR TRANSIT ARE THE FEDERAL FUNDS, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S ACTUALLY A TAX LEVY, AND THEN GENERAL FUNDS THAT ALL GO INTO THE TRANSIT COST.
>> SEPARATE FROM THE ROAD USE.
>> NO ROAD USE GOES INTO THIS.
THIS IS ALL GENERAL FUND, SEPARATE TAX LEVY, AND THEN FEDERAL FUNDS.
>> IF YOU HAD TO GIVE A PERCENTAGE, IS IT 80% COVERED? ROUGHLY.
>> YEAH, YOU SAID A MILLION, I THINK IT'S 1.2?
>> TO ADDRESS THE MAYOR'S QUESTION, I DON'T THINK IT'S REQUIRED THAT WE PROVIDE THE SERVICE.
OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE PROVIDED THE SERVICE FOR A LONG TIME.
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THERE'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION THAT DOESN'T HAVE OTHER TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES, THAT'S WHY THIS EXISTS.>> THAT'S THE ISSUE. WE ALWAYS HEAR THE SUGGESTION THAT YOU COULD PAY FOR A CAR, BUT A LOT OF TIMES, THESE PEOPLE ACTUALLY CAN'T DRIVE, SO EVEN IF YOU BOUGHT THEM A CAR, THAT WOULDN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
>> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S LOOKING AT GOING AWAY FROM IT, JUST IN GENERAL.
>> BUT IF WE WANTED TO GO AWAY FROM IT, THAT IS A DECISION THE CITY CAN MAKE.
THE FEDERAL FUNDS WOULD GO AWAY, BUT THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE AN EXPENSE, SO THERE'S NO LOSS IN FEDERAL FUNDS BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY WOULDN'T HAVE THE EXPENSE OF THE SERVICE.
BUT WHEN WE HAVE THE SERVICE, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE MUST DO, AND PARATRANSIT IS ONE OF THOSE.
>> WELL, IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE NUMBERS ARE DOWN FROM WHEN THEY WERE.
THE FIRST THING I DID WHEN I WAS ON THE CITY COUNCIL WAS HAVE THEM REDRAW THE BLUE AND YELLOW ROUTES BECAUSE THE SYSTEM WE HAD BEFORE WAS EVEN LESS EFFECTIVE, BUT IT JUMPED UP INTO ALMOST 500 RIDERS A DAY, AND NOW IT'S DOWN THE 300 RIDERS.
I BELIEVE THAT IF YOU WRITE IT SOMEWHERE, YOU WRITE IT BACK, SO IT'S SERVICING 150 PEOPLE A DAY TO EXPENSE AT THE COUNCIL BUS, RESIDENT $1.2 MILLION.
>> DO YOU THINK THAT'S DOWN BECAUSE OF PEOPLE WORKING AT HOME, AND THINGS? YOU CAN GET YOUR TOILET PAPER AND STUFF DELIVERED TO YOUR HOUSE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WHEREAS BEFORE, [OVERLAPPING] AT THAT TIME, PEOPLE HAD TO GO AND GET EVERYTHING FROM HY-VEE OR DRUG TOWN OR WHATEVER.
>> ONE THING I'LL POINT OUT, WE DIDN'T REALLY LOOK AT HISTORICAL DATA, EXCEPT FOR THE MOST RECENT, BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO AGAIN, MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT.
BUT I WILL NOTE THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S DOWN THAT MUCH FROM BEFORE COVID.
I KNOW MOST OF METRO'S ROUTES ARE PRETTY MUCH BACK.
ALL TRANSIT AGENCIES ACROSS THE US ARE DIFFERENT.
THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE STILL 60-70% OF WHAT THEY USED TO BE, AND OTHERS AREN'T, AND SO I THINK COMPARED TO OTHER PLACES, THE ROUTES HERE ARE ACTUALLY DOING PRETTY WELL FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, BOUNCING BACK.
I THOUGHT I'D MAKE THAT POINT.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANKS SO MUCH.
[C. Review Agenda]
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PUBLIC HEARINGS?>> COURTNEY, YOU WANT TO COME UP AND WALK US THROUGH YOUR SELECTION PROCESS? HOW YOU DID IT, WHAT YOU DID FOR THE COUNCIL? I KNOW I CALLED YOU.
WE TALKED FOR PROBABLY 45 MINUTES ABOUT A TON OF DIFFERENT THINGS, JILL SENT AN EMAIL, SO I JUST THINK SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED, JILL ASKED, AND THEN JUST GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, EXPLAINING TO US WHAT YOU CAME UP WITH, THAT'D BE GREAT.
>> SURE. WE HAD TWO RATING CRITERIA; 75% WENT TOWARDS EXPERIENCE, AND 25% WENT TO THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT THE BUILDER THOUGHT THEY COULD COMMIT TO.
WE HAD A REVIEW TEAM OF FOUR IN MY OFFICE THAT LOOKED THROUGH THEM.
TWO OF US ACTUALLY HAD REASONABLE EXPERIENCE WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT COMPANIES.
TWO OF THEM HAD ABSOLUTELY NO BASELINE OTHER THAN THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE PROPOSALS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN THE EMAIL THAT I SENT TO GILLS.
I'M JUST GOING THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT.
REALLY, THE NECESSARY EXPERIENCE WAS OBVIOUSLY THE BIGGEST WEIGHT BECAUSE WE NEED SOMEONE THAT CAN PERFORM.
THIS IS A QUICK TIMELINE, AND WE WANTED SOMEONE THAT COULD HAD A REALLY STREAMLINED PROCESS THAT THEY HAVE A PROVEN EFFORT THAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THIS.
WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE PROPOSALS, I THINK THE OTHER BIG THING THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO MY TEAM IN PARTICULAR WAS THE EXPERIENCE WITH DAVIS-BACON.
WHICH IS PREVAILING WAGES, WHICH REQUIRES YOU TO CERTIFY YOUR PAYROLLS, PROVIDE ALL THIS NECESSARY DOCUMENTATION.
WE HAVE FEDERAL FUNDS IN THIS PROGRAM.
IT'S A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY THAT HAS THAT EXPERIENCE WITH THE NUMBER OF CONTRACTORS AND SUBS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ON THIS SPECIFICALLY, WE WANTED SOMEONE THAT KNEW HOW TO DO THE PROCESS.
AS WE WENT THROUGH THEM, WE NARROWED IT DOWN TO MR. SUDBECK AND SUDBECK HOMES, BASED ON THE FOUR CRITERIA THAT I OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH IS HIS PAST EXPERIENCE.
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HE'S DONE LOW AND MODERATE-INCOME HOUSING FOR THE CITY OF OMAHA.HE ALSO HAS DONE LARGE-SCALE PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE METRO.
HE ALSO HAS STAFF ON THERE THAT'S DONE DAVIS-BACON PREVIOUSLY, AND HE WAS ABLE TO DO ALL 40 UNITS.
I WOULD SAY THAT WE HAD ANOTHER BUILDER THAT'S VERY QUALIFIED.
HE COULD ONLY COMMIT TO 20 OF THOSE UNITS, AND IT WAS OUR DETERMINATION THAT IT WAS IN THE BEST INTEREST FOR US TO JUST HAVE ONE BUILDER.
THE STATE CONCURRED WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT.
THEY SAID IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN THEY'D DONE IT IN THE PAST.
THEY SAID THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY ADD A COUPLE OF EXTRA LAYERS.
HE DIDN'T COME OUT RIGHT OUT AND SAY THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT THAT, BUT HE ALLUDED THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE PROBLEMATIC FOR ALL OF US.
THAT'S WHAT WE WENT THROUGH, AND BASED ON OUR DETERMINATION, WE DEEMED MR. SUDBECK AND SUDBECK HOMES AS OUR PREFERRED BUILDER.
>> OH, SORRY. FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE DAVIS-BACON WAGES THROUGH THE ACT.
THAT PUTS AN EXTRA LEVEL OF PRESSURE FROM THE DIFFERENT UNIONS COMING IN AND ASKING FOR THE BOOKS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
KUDOS, COURTNEY, TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
AS I OUTLINED, TWO CONCERNS THAT I HAVE IS ONE, THE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT ASKING FOR A CHANGE ORDER OR NOT RELEASING A REVIEW LEFT ON THE COMPANY'S WEBSITE, AS WELL AS POTENTIAL EMPLOYEE SAFETY CONCERNS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT A FORMAL COMPLAINT WASN'T ISSUED THERE, BUT THOSE ARE MY TWO CONCERNS.
HAS THIS BUILDER DONE STUFF WITH [INAUDIBLE], AND HAVING TO REPORT BACK ON DAVIS-BACON WAGES?
>> HE HAS DONE WORK ON OFFUTT AIR FORCE BASE, WHICH WOULD HAVE DAVIS-BACON.
I HAVE NOT EXPLICITLY ASKED HOW THAT WENT.
THAT'S A PRETTY HEFTY BILL RIGHT THERE IN MY OPINION, IF YOU'VE EVER HAD TO DO A PROJECT TO THAT MAGNITUDE.
WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WE DON'T LOOK AT REVIEWS OF FOLKS.
WE LOOK TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE MEETING THE QUALIFICATIONS.
I WOULD SAY THAT OF ALL THE FOLKS THAT SUBMITTED, I BET THAT THERE'S FOLKS IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT WOULD SAY THAT THEY HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TRULY LOOK AT AND VET.
AS FAR AS WORKING CONDITIONS, THAT'S AN OSHA CONCERN.
WE AT THE CITY COULDN'T HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THAT, TO BE HONEST. THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION.
FOR CHANGE ORDERS, THIS IS A VERY STRICT BUDGET, AND EVERY BUILDER HAD TO COMMIT TO THAT BUDGET.
THEY'RE ONLY GOING TO GET REIMBURSED 125,000 PER UNIT PLUS 5,000 IN MITIGATION COSTS, AND THEN THEY'RE OVERHEAD.
IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO STAY ON BUDGET, THEY'RE GOING TO EAT INTO THEIR OWN PROFIT IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
I THINK THAT WE'RE STILL DOING ALL THE INSPECTIONS TO NOT MAKE THAT SEEM LIKE THAT THEY COULD CUT CORNERS.
BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A VERY TIGHT BUDGET, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COMMIT TO IT.
>> I WENT THROUGH ALL THE PROPOSALS, AND I MEAN, I LIKED THEM ALL, MEANING THEY PUT THE WORK IN, WHICH IS GOOD.
YOU DON'T SEE THIS VERY OFTEN SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL.
SOME OF THE PROPOSALS THEY HAD FINANCIAL BACKING LETTERS.
WHEN I LOOK AT IT, THOSE ARE SAFETY BLANKETS FOR ME, AND MR. SUDBECK DIDN'T HAVE ONE.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THIS PROJECT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY OF COUNCIL BLUFFS. WE ALL KNOW THIS.
FROM THE TRAFFIC THAT PEOPLE DRIVE BY, THE AMOUNT OF PHONE CALLS WE GET, JUST PEOPLE DRIVING BY, JUST FROM THE DEBRIS ON THE ROAD, FROM THE RESIDENTS DOWN THERE.
WE HEARD YOU'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS.
I MEAN, YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD IT ALL UNDER THE SUN, TOO.
WE ALL KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF IT.
I GUESS ONE OF MY CHECKS IS, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THIS, WE AGREE TO THIS, AND THEN THERE'S NO FINANCING.
THAT WAS MY BIGGEST RED FLAG ON ANYBODY WHO SUBMITTED THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT UP FRONT.
IT'S LIKE IF I'M BUYING A HOME. I JUST WANT TO HEAR YOUR INPUT ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY MY NUMBER 1 THING ON ALL THESE.
>> WE DID ASK FOR THAT FROM MR. SUDBECK.
HE SAID HE WOULD GET IT FROM HIS BANK.
THAT WILL BE CONTINGENT BECAUSE THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BE ABLE TO FINANCE THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO REQUEST PROGRESS PAYMENTS UP TO THAT 125,000, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO REQUEST AHEAD.
HE WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT AS PART OF HIS.
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IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE TYPICALLY DON'T ASK FOR, OR CAN WE?>> I WOULD SAY THIS PROJECT'S UNIQUE.
THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT YOU NORMALLY WOULD SEE.
NORMALLY, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING QUALIFICATIONS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ENGINEERING FIRMS AND HOW WE'RE REVIEWING THEM.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S NECESSARY.
USUALLY, YOU'RE SEEING A PROPOSAL THAT THEY WANT TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER, AND THEY'RE FINANCING EVERYTHING, AND WE'RE APPROVING THE TIF INCENTIVES OR THE OTHER INCENTIVES.
I WOULD SAY IT'S SLIGHTLY UNIQUE IN THAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY NEVER HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
SOME OF OUR OTHER PROJECTS FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT MIGHT HAVE BONDS AND THINGS THAT WE HAVE FOR CERTIFICATIONS TO MAKE SURE THEY DO THE WORK, BUT THIS IS JUST A REALLY UNIQUE SITUATION.
>> COURTNEY, ONE THING YOU SAID TO ME ON THE PHONE THAT I SPECIFICALLY RECALL BECAUSE I ASKED ABOUT DAVIS-BACON AND YOU SAID MR. SUDBECK WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO HAD SOMEONE ON STAFF.
THE OTHER FOLKS SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HIRE SOMEONE OR CONSULT WITH SOMEONE.
I SAID, TO ME, YOU WOULDN'T HIRE SOMEBODY THAT NEEDS DAVIS-BACON UNTIL YOU HAVE A PROJECT THAT NEEDS DAVIS-BACON WAGES, AND YOU SAID, WHEN YOU SUBMIT THE RFP, YOU'D HAVE YOUR TEAM IN PLACE? WELL, YOU JUST SAID HE DOESN'T HAVE HIS FINANCING IN PLACE; HE WOULD GET IT FROM HIS BANK.
THAT TO ME IS THE SAME AS NOT HAVING YOUR TEAM IN PLACE?
>> I SAID HE WOULD GET HIS LETTER FROM THE BANK, NOT THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE HIS FINANCING IN PLACE.
>> HE DIDN'T PROVIDE THAT FOR YOU. HE'S JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE WITH DAVIS-BACON DIDN'T PROVIDE; THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO HIRE SOMEONE, AND THEY DON'T HAVE THAT TEAM IN PLACE.
THAT'S SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU SAID TO ME.
>> WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT THE BANK FINANCING, HE'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT IF HE DOESN'T HAVE IT.
>> AGREED. BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO CONTINGENCIES.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THAT IN PLACE BEFORE WE DECIDE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IF I'M BEING HONEST.
WAS THERE ANY WEIGHT PUT IN TO LOCAL, LIKE SOMEBODY WHO'S LOCAL TO COUNCIL BLUFFS?
>> WE DID NOT KNOW WHAT RESPONSE WE WERE GOING TO GET, SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO LIMIT OURSELVES.
NO, THERE WAS NO WEIGHT PUT INTO BEING LOCAL.
WE WERE CLEAR AT THAT WHEN WE HAD OUR MEETING AT THE LIBRARY THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR LOCAL, JUST UNSURE OF WHAT WE WOULD GET.
>> COURTNEY, I HAD A QUESTION. IT'S NOT EXACTLY ABOUT THIS ONE, BUT THE RFP THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THE OTHER RFP THAT'S COMING UP TODAY.
NOW, THIS NEXT UPCOMING ONE WILL NOT HAVE THOSE CONSTRAINTS, CORRECT?
>> I MEAN, I SELL CHEESEBURGERS AND INSURANCE. WHAT DO I KNOW? BUT IN THE EVENT, SUDBECK HOMES TAKES THIS FIRST PROJECT, ANY NUMBER OF THESE OTHER SIX OR SEVEN FOLKS WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO JUMP ON TO THE NEXT PROJECT, AND WHAT MAY HAVE HELD THEM BACK IN THEIR EXPERIENCE OR STAFFING IN BACON DAVIS, SO WE NO LONGER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. WE'RE SELLING THE LOTS ALONG MOHAWK IN TWOS BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO ATTACHED.
THEY COULD BID ON TWO AND ANY COMBINATION THEREOF, UP TO WE HAVE 22 THAT WE'RE GOING TO BID.
>> THE ONE OUTFIT THAT SAID, HEY, MAN, I CAN DO FIVE OF THESE.
I CAN'T DO 10. THEY COULD COME IN.
>> THEY COULD COME IN WITH SIX.
>> I THINK EVERYBODY SAID THEY COULD DO 40 EXCEPT ONE.
>> I MIGHT SAY 5 AND THEN 5, 4 PLEX.
>> WITHOUT HAVING THE FINANCIAL LETTER, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE CONTINUE THIS AGAIN FOR TWO MORE WEEKS.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO START ANY TIME SOON.
>> WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO PUT A CONTRACT IN PLACE.
WHAT I WOULD ASK IS IF YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT THAT PIECE, APPROVE IT THIS EVENING, AND WE WILL PUT A TIMELINE ON WHEN WE NEED THAT LETTER BY, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT.
ANYWAY, SO IF YOU CONTINUE IT ANOTHER TWO WEEKS, THAT JUST PUTS US ANOTHER TWO WEEKS BEHIND.
MY ASK WOULD BE, LET US APPROVE TONIGHT.
WE'LL GET THAT LETTER FROM THE BANK, AND SO THAT'S HOW WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD.
>> MAKE THE APPROVAL SUBJECT TO.
>> OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
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>> YOU CAN STAY UP THERE? [LAUGHTER] ON THE GRAPPLERS' GATE, IT JUST SAYS A DEVELOPER.
>> INSTEAD OF A DEVELOPER, CAN WE START PUTTING WHO'S DOING THESE PROJECTS?
>> I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH MIMI ABOUT TRANSPARENCY A LOT, AND I THINK PUTTING WHO WAS ON THERE.
THEN I DID SEE A MAP AT THE VERY BOTTOM FIGURE OUT WHERE IT WAS.
>> WE DON'T HAVE IT TYPICALLY IN THE URBAN RENEWAL AREA.
YOU WOULD HAVE IT WHEN YOU DO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
BUT, YEAH, WE CAN PUT IT IN HERE.
>> HELP ME UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WE HAVE URBAN RENEWAL, WE HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA.
HOW DOES THIS PARTICULAR PLACE QUALIFY FOR URBAN RENEWAL? I MEAN, WE COULD DECLARE ABOUT ANYTHING URBAN RENEWAL, CORRECT?
>> WITHIN PARAMETERS, I WOULD SAY.
THIS ONE WE ARE DECLARING UNDER THE GREENFIELD RULE FOR HOUSING.
MR. PORTER IS COMMITTING THAT HE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO SOME AFFORDABLE UNITS IN ORDER TO GET THAT.
THE GREENFIELD HAS A 10-YEAR CLOCK, AND IT HAS THE SET-ASIDE REQUIREMENT FOR LOW AND MODERATE-INCOME HOUSEHOLDS, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS AT JUST OVER 44%.
HOW WE'VE STRUCTURED OUR NEGOTIATIONS WITH HIM IS THAT, AND I'M GOING TO BACK UP, AND YOU'RE ONLY ELIGIBLE TO GET REIMBURSEMENT FOR PUBLICLY DEEDED INFRASTRUCTURE.
ALL OF THE PUBLIC WORKS ITEMS, AS WELL AS WATERWORKS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S QUASI GOVERNMENT.
HE HAS TO CERTIFY HIS EXPENSES UP TO, IN THIS CASE, IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT $800,000.
WE LOOK AT THOSE, WE SAY, YES, AND THAT'S THE MAXIMUM HE'S ELIGIBLE FOR OVER THAT 10-YEAR PERIOD.
SUBJECT TO THAT IS IF HE CREATES THOSE AFFORDABLE UNITS, AND THAT'S TIED TO THE NUMBER.
THAT MEANS SIX OF THOSE HAVE TO BE AFFORDABLE.
IF HE ONLY CREATES FIVE OF THEM, HE ONLY GETS THAT PERCENTAGE.
IF HE CREATES ALL SIX, HE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR ALL OF IT.
THAT'S HOW WE HAVE IT STRUCTURED, AND THEN HE HAS THAT 10-YEAR CLOCK.
WE'RE ABLE TO DO HOUSING IN GREENFIELD UNDER THAT RULE.
THERE'S THE SLUM AND BLIGHT, WHICH IS WE REALLY HAVE TO DECLARE AND WE HAVE TO JUSTIFY HOW WE CAME TO THAT NUMBER OR THAT DETERMINATION, AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
>> THIS BEING GREENFIELD, THE SLUM AND BLIGHT WOULD NOT?
>> THERE'S NOTHING TO BE A SLUM OR BLIGHT.
THERE'S NOTHING SIMILAR THERE.
>> CORRECT. THERE'S NOTHING THERE TO JUSTIFY.
THERE'S SOME PRETTY LAX WAYS OF DECLARING THAT, BUT SOMETIMES IT FEELS A LITTLE LOFTY.
IN THIS INSTANCE, WE MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT GREENFIELD WAS THE RIGHT APPROACH AND THAT HE WOULD BE ABLE TO BE REIMBURSED FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
IF HE DOES NOT CREATE THE AFFORDABLE UNITS, THEY COME BACK TO THE CITY, AND THAT HELPS US CREATE AFFORDABILITY ELSEWHERE.
>> THEN I LOOKED THROUGH THAT, WHERE DID THE 800,000 COME? I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN HERE.
>> YOU WON'T SEE IT IN THAT ONE.
IT'LL BE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
IT DOESN'T PLAY ANYTHING INTO THE URBAN RENEWAL AREA.
THIS IS JUST THE CREATION OF THE AREA AND WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO.
>> THE TIF WILL BE UP TO 800,000?
>> HOW DO WE COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER?
>> HE HAS TO CERTIFY HIS EXPENSES FOR THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
>> BUT HOW DO WE SET IT AT 800 OR LESS?
>> BECAUSE THEY TOLD US IT'S ABOUT THAT NUMBER.
>> THAT'S WHAT WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO COST?
>> YEAH. THAT'S THE OPINION OF PROBABLE COST FROM THEIR ENGINEER.
>> THEY'LL HAVE TO JUSTIFY THE COST.
>> THAT'S WHAT THE ACTUAL COSTS ARE.
>> IF THEY ONLY COME TO 750, THEY WOULD ONLY BE ELIGIBLE FOR 750.
>> THEY SPEND, THEN WE REIMBURSE, I GET IT.
>> IF THEY GO OVER 800, IT DOESN'T COUNT.
>> COURTNEY, THE AFFORDABLE UNITS ARE UP TO 80% AREA MEDIAN INCOME?
>> WHICH IS MARKET RATE, CORRECT?
>> IS THAT 80 - 120 OR IS THAT PLUS OR MINUS 80? I KNOW YOU ALREADY SAT DOWN. I'M SORRY.
>> OH, GOT YOU. WHY DON'T THEY JUST CALL THAT MARKET?
>> AFFORDABLE IS LIKE 30% UP TO 80%.
>> YOU GET INTO LOW INCOME AT 30%, BUT THIS WOULD ALLOW UP TO 80%, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY MARKET RATE?
>> CORRECT. BECAUSE IT'S THE METROPOLITAN AREA.
SINCE WE ONLY HAVE ONE ORDINANCE, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ORDINANCE OR THE RESOLUTION?
>> WE'RE JUST SWITCHING THIS OVER TO MARK'S DEPARTMENT, THE HRIS OVER TO IT.
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>> THAT POSITION IS CURRENTLY IN IT, THE HRIS ANALYST, AND SO WE'RE EXPANDING THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THAT POSITION.
BECAUSE ORIGINALLY THAT WAS IN HR, THEN THEY MOVED OVER TO MY AREA, THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO.
THEN AFTER THAT, WE'VE HAD THAT PERSON DOING OTHER PROJECTS.
THE ROLE HAS EXPANDED IMMENSELY OTHER THAN JUST HR ITEMS. STILL DOING HR, BUT ALSO INCREASED OTHER AREA RESPONSIBILITIES.
THAT'S WHAT THE ABOLITION OF THE TITLE, A DIFFERENT JOB DESCRIPTION, AND THEN CREATING A NEW POSITION.
>> YEAH. THE NET NEW, WHICH WAS BUDGETED FOR.
>> OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTIONS?
>> YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION ON ORDINANCE 25190, THE CHANGE ORDER FROM BLACKHAWK CONSTRUCTION.
AS I'M READING THROUGH, IT SEEMS AS IF THEY WEREN'T TOLD THAT THEY NEEDED TO SUPPLY OR PROVIDE ALL THE OUTSIDE TRIM TO THE WINDOWS.
TO ME, THIS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A CITY PROBLEM.
THIS IS EITHER A BLACKHAWK CONSTRUCTION OR A PROJECT MANAGER ISSUE.
>> THIS SHOULD NOT BE COMING TO US TO GET A CHANGE ORDER FOR THIS.
THIS WAS PART OF THE TO REDO IT, IT'S ALL THE MATERIALS THAT'S INVOLVED.
>> I AGREE. I WAS GOING TO ASK A SIMILAR QUESTION.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT KEEPING THE ELEMENTS OUT OF THE BUILDING WHEN WE'RE REPLACING THE WINDOWS.
BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY BID ON. THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
THEN, HONESTLY, AN ADDITIONAL 37,000 TO HGM SEEMS ABSURD AS WELL, SINCE THEY WERE THE PROJECT MANAGER.
>> THAT'S NOT ADDITIONAL TO HGM.
THAT WAS WHAT WAS THE BUDGET FOR THE ORIGINAL PROJECT, AND IT REMAINS THE SAME NUMBER.
HGM IS NOT GETTING ADDITIONAL ASSOCIATED WITH THIS CHANGE ORDER.
>> I GUESS I'LL TRY TO ADDRESS BOTH YOURS AND MISS SHUDAK'S QUESTION.
THE CONTRACTOR IS RESPONSIBLE TO BID ON A SET OF CONTRACT DOCUMENTS.
WE HIRED A PROFESSIONAL TO PREPARE THOSE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS, AND THAT'S WHAT THEIR BID IS BASED ON.
THEY DID NOT INCLUDE THE WORK THAT IS IN QUESTION AS PART OF THIS CHANGE ORDER.
IN MY OPINION, YOU CAN'T HOLD THE CONTRACTOR RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE THAT WORK WAS NOT IDENTIFIED IN THE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS.
>> DURING THE SITE VISIT AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE WORK, ORDERING THE WINDOWS, ET CETERA.
THIS ISSUE WAS IDENTIFIED, AND IT HAS TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE WORK.
CONTRACTUALLY, IT IS THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO PAY FOR IT.
IF THE COUNCIL IS ASKING WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR COVERING THE COST, THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION THAN WHETHER WE NEED TO DO THE CHANGE ORDER.
WELL, THAT'S IN ORDER TO GET THE CONTRACTOR TO DO THE WORK, WE HAVE TO EXECUTE A CHANGE ORDER BECAUSE IT'S ADDITIONAL WORK, NOT IN THEIR CURRENT CONTRACT, OR WE HAVE TO STOP THE PROJECT.
THE ARE THAT'S WHAT I SEE AS THE TWO OPTIONS.
IF WE WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HGM ABOUT WHY THIS HAPPENED AND WHAT RESPONSIBILITY THEY HAVE.
THAT IS A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME TO DO, I'LL SPEAK WITH CODY AND HAVE HIM DO THAT.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE DONE AS WELL.
TO ME, THIS IS AN HM THAT THEY DIDN'T CLEARLY LAY OUT WHAT'S NEEDED.
WE WERE RELYING ON THEM AND THEIR EXPERTISE, AND TO NOT HAVE THIS AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
I THINK THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE ON THEIR SIDE.
>> I DON'T KNOW. MATT, WOULD THE COST HAVE BEEN HAD THEY IDENTIFIED IT, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THE ORIGINAL BID, AND WE WOULD HAVE PAID IT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S ADDED A WHOLE LOT OF COST, I PROBABLY.
>> THERE'S ALWAYS THE SUGGESTION THAT IN A CHANGE ORDER ENVIRONMENT, A CONTRACTOR MAY ASK FOR MORE MONEY THAN WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE IN A COMPETITIVE BID ENVIRONMENT. FOR SURE.
BUT GENERALLY, I WOULD THE COST IS THE COST.
YOU ARE CORRECT, MAYOR, THAT IF YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE THE METAL ITEMS IN ORDER TO PLACE THEM AROUND THE WINDOWS, THERE'S STILL A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THERE ORIGINALLY.
IT WASN'T, BUT THERE MIGHT BE A PREMIUM THAT WE'RE PAYING BECAUSE IT'S A CHANGE ORDER.
>> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT, BUT WE COULD HAVE AWARDED THIS TO MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE WAS INCLUDING THAT MATERIALS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT CASING NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED.
>> NOT AS IT WASN'T ON THE DRAWING.
THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BID IT.
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>> CAME UP AS THEY RAN INTO THIS PROBLEM AS THEY STARTED INTO THE WORK, AND IT'S COMING BACK TO US.
>> SPECIFICATIONS WEREN'T PART OF THE BID.
>> I WOULD GENERALLY AGREE WITH STEVE'S COMMENT THAT I DON'T THINK THE OTHER CONTRACTORS INCLUDED THIS IN THEIR COSTS BECAUSE IT WASN'T IDENTIFIED AS A BID ITEM IN THE PROJECT.
BUT I GUESS WE THAT'D BE LIKE ME GOING OVER THEM LIKE, WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
WELL, THAT'S WHY WE HIRE THEM. TO TELL US WHAT WE NEED. AGREED?
>> THEIR LEVEL OF EXPERTISE IS WHAT WE RELY ON.
UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THIS SHOULD BE COVERED BY THEM.
OTHERWISE, WE SHOULD START LOOKING AT HIRING SOMEONE ELSE.
IF I'M BEING HONEST WITH YOU. THAT'S WHY WE HIRE.
I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE NOT DOING THEIR JOB.
THINGS HAPPEN, BUT LIKE I SAID, I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE.
IF I BID SOMETHING AND I MESS IT UP, I EAT THAT COST. YOU HAVE TO FIX IT.
>> I DON'T FIND THAT THAT GENERALLY HAPPENS IN TODAY'S WORLD, THOUGH.
>> THE PRIVATE SECTOR IT DOES.
GOVERNMENT, IT COMES BACK TO US. THE TAXES WILL PAY IT.
IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, IF I BID SOMETHING, I MESS IT UP, LET'S SAY I'M DRILLING A HOLE AND I DRILL A HOLE IN THE WALL, I GOT TO FIX IT. [OVERLAPPING].
>> I HAD TREE WORK DONE RECENTLY AT MY OWN HOME.
THEY ASSUME THEY COULD USE A CERTAIN PIECE OF EQUIPMENT TO DO IT.
THAT EQUIPMENT DIDN'T WORK, SO THEY HAD TO GO BACK AND BRING A DIFFERENT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
I'M GOING TO PAY FOR THAT SECOND PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
>> THEY DIDN'T DO THE JOB BEFORE?
>> YEAH. BUT IT WAS BASED ON AN ASSUMPTION, WHICH ALMOST ALL PROPOSALS ARE BASED ON ASSUMPTIONS.
IF THE ASSUMPTION CHANGES, THE PERSON PAYING FOR THE COST HAS TO COVER THE COST.
>> I'LL SAY THIS. I WORKED YEARS IN CONSTRUCTION AND ELECTRICAL WORK.
WE WOULD GO IN AND WE WOULD LOOK AT A BUILDING, AND WE WOULD TELL THESE PEOPLE ON A REMODEL OR A REFAB OF A BUILDING, THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO TAKE TO GET THIS DONE.
THEN WE TEAR IT OUT AND IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT EVERYBODY THOUGHT.
WE TAKE SOME CUTS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T SEE IT, BUT THEY ALSO PAY EXTRA BECAUSE IT'S THEIRS.
YOU JUST CAN'T SEE EVERYTHING.
>> DO YOU THINK THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS HIDDEN THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE?
>> I DON'T KNOW. I WASN'T THERE TOO SEE IT.
[OVERLAPPING] BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF I TORE YOUR ROOF OFF AND YOU NEEDED A CERTAIN THING, AND I DIDN'T REPLACE IT, BUT I COULDN'T SEE IT.
>> DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD SPLIT THE COSTS WITH?
>> I COULD LEAVE YOUR ROOF OFF.
>> DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD SPLIT THE COST WITH HM?
>> I'M SAYING, IN ORDER TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A CHANGE ORDER.
>> I THINK WE'RE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION NOW.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING I'M TRYING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION NOW.
>> YES. BUT I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY INTENTION BY ANYBODY, EVEN HGM, TO LEAVE THE SIDE.
>> I DON'T THINK IT WAS INTENTIONALLY LEFT OUT, AGREE.
>> FOR ANY ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT WE WANTED TO IT WASN'T LIKE THEY PUT IT IN, THEN HAD TO TAKE IT OUT AND PUT IT BACK IN.
IT'S JUST A COMPONENT OF WHAT WE NEEDED.
THAT DIDN'T GET INCLUDED, AND BEFORE THE WORK STARTED, WE IDENTIFIED THAT IT NEEDED TO BE IN THERE, AND SO.
>> THAT'S THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, YES.
THAT THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH REWORK.
I GUESS WITH ADDITIONAL DELAY, THERE COULD BE A COST, BUT AT THIS POINT, THERE'S BEEN NO REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL COSTS DUE TO DELAY.
WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS? I MEAN, SURE.
WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO PAY FOR IT.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS WHY WE HIRE FOLKS FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, BECAUSE IT'S NOT OUR EXPERTISE.
I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE HAD THAT COST, BUT THIS IS, UNFORTUNATELY, I SHOULD SAY.
>> THE ONLY ISSUE I HAVE WITH SPLITTING COST IS, WHAT COSTS ARE WE SPLITTING? THE ENTIRE CHANGE ORDER.
WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE PREMIUM ASSOCIATED WITH A CHANGE ORDER? GOING BACK TO THE MAYOR'S COMMENT THAT THE COST WAS A COST THAT WAS ALWAYS PART OF OR SHOULD HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE PROJECT.
>> BUT IT WASN'T, SO IS THAT REALLY AN AD? THAT'S THE QUESTION.
>> THEN I THINK YOU COULD GO OVER THERE AND MAKE THE EVALUATION.
WHY HIRE THE EXPERT? [LAUGHTER] YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU CAN MAKE THE EVALUATION AND BRING A CHANGE ORDER EVERY TIME THEY NEED ONE.
>> WELL, THE REASON WE HIRE PROFESSIONALS IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF TO DO ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE DO.
IF WE WANTED TO DO ALL THE PROJECTS IN-HOUSE,
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WE WOULD HAVE TO GREATLY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF STAFF PROFESSIONALS.THAT IS GENERALLY NOT THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THE WORK.
>> WE SUPPLEMENT OUR STAFF BY HIRING OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS.
THAT'S WHAT WE DID IN THIS CASE.
IT DIDN'T GIVE US THE BEST SET OF CONTRACT DOCUMENTS IS WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED.
NOW WE'RE FACED WITH THIS CHANGE ORDER.
>> I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED IF IT COST US EXTRA.
>> WE'LL NEVER KNOW. WE'RE NOT GOING TO WOULD THEY TELL US?
>> I THINK THEY CAN GIVE YOU INVOICES OF WHAT THE PARTS COST, BUT THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INSTALLATION.
>> I WOULD ASK THAT WE GO BACK TO ACM AND ASK THEM TO PAY FOR THIS.
>> WELL, YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO VOTE ON THAT TONIGHT, I GUESS [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, I THINK MATT SAID, WE HAVE TO APPROVE THIS TO GET THAT WORK DONE.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN THE WORK [OVERLAPPING].
>> I SEE IT, IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE REMODEL OF THE UP MUSEUM, THEN WE HAVE TO DO THIS CHANGE ORDER.
IF WE WANT TO JUST COMPLETELY STOP THE WORK, THEN THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR CANCELING A CONTRACT.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GREAT PLAN.
I THINK I GUESS I WOULD ASK MATT YOU TO TALK WITH MATT HERE AND SAY, HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH OUR ENGINEERING SERVICES.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY, AND GET BACK TO US WITH WHAT THE CONCLUSION IS, BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS SOME RESPONSIBILITY THAT THEY SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR.
THIS TYPICALLY WOULDN'T BE AN ACTION ITEM FOR THE COUNCIL.
SHOULD WE JUST REPORT BACK OUR FINDINGS? WHAT EXACTLY WOULD WE BRING TO THE COUNCIL?
>> I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEIR RESPONSE IS BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO BE A GOOD PARTNER, THEN WE TO ROGER'S POINT PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT HIRING SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE FUTURE.
AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THEM TO BE OUR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES TO PROVIDE THEIR EXPERTISE.
THEY DO A LOT OF WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY? I WOULD THINK THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO CONTINUE A GOOD PARTNERSHIP.
THAT'S MY OPINION. I TALKED TO A BUNCH OF LABORERS, AND TO ROGERS' POINT, THEY BUILD THAT IN.
THEY EAT THOSE COSTS IF IT COMES UP IF SOMETHING COMES BACK.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR AS THEN YOU REACH OUT TO THEM, MATT COX, AND SEE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT OR GO HALVES.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE RESPONSE IS.
WHETHER WE WANT TO USE THEM GO FORWARD.
>> TO BE FAIR. THEY'VE DONE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF REALLY GOOD WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR THE CITY OF COUNCIL BLUFFS.
I DON'T WANT TO DISCOUNT THAT.
BUT THIS, I AGREE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN MISSED, I GUESS.
>> THE ONLY ISSUE I WOULD REALLY TAKE WITH IT IS IF ONE OF THE OTHER CONTRACTORS HAD WORKED THAT IN, HAD FORESEEN THAT.
THEN WE CHOSE SOMEONE DIFFERENT.
BECAUSE IF I WAS THE GUY WITH THE NUMBER TWO BID, AND IT WAS 20,000 LESS, IT WAS 20,000 DIFFERENCE, BUT NOW IT'S COMING BACK AT 24 BECAUSE I HAD THAT WORKED INTO MY BID.
THEN I WOULD FEEL LIKE I GOT SLIGHTED.
WE DON'T KNOW IF WE DON'T THERE OR NOT.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS IN THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS OR NOT. WE DON'T KNOW THAT?
>> WELL, IT WAS NOT ORIGINAL DRAWINGS.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THERE'S NO WAY TO. NO WAY.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WELL, RICE WAS INCLUDED.
>> EVEN IF IT WAS NO WAY TO GO BACK.
>> BECAUSE THIS WASN'T A LINE ITEM. THIS ISN'T A LINE ITEM.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN BUILT IN TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S BID OR NOT BUILT INTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S BID.
>> WELL, LIKE THOUGH, EVEN IF THAT WAS THE CASE, I'M SAYING THAT I WOULD TAKE ISSUE, BUT EVEN IF IT WAS, THEY'RE ALREADY WORKING ON THE PROJECT.
SORRY. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GIVE IT TO SOMEONE ELSE.
UNDO EVERYTHING YOU REALLY JUST DID, AND THEN YOU KNOW IT IS WHERE IT IS, WHERE IT IS.
THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS GO FORWARD, AND I BELIEVE YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT IN THAT WE WILL HAVE TO IF WE WANT THEM TO FINISH THIS JOB.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT IT THROUGH.
NOW, WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT WE DO WITH THAT KNOWLEDGE OF WHO IS PERHAPS AT FAULT, GOING FORWARD.
THAT'S SOME INFORMATION WE CAN TAKE AND PUT IN OUR HAT AND USE FOR A LATER DAY, I GUESS.
BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, IF WE DECIDE AGAINST THAT, IF I'M THE MAN OR WOMAN, WORKING ON THE PROJECT AT CURRENT, I DON'T SEE A REASON TO COME BACK TO FINISH IT TOMORROW IN ANY CAPACITY BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO GET PAID FOR THE ENTIRETY OF MY WORK,
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AND THEREFORE, WE AS A CITY ARE NOW VIOLATING OUR PROBABLY OUR CONTRACT WITH THEM.BECAUSE, THAT OR THEY CAN COMPLETE THE CONTRACT WITH NO FLASHING ON ANY OF THE WINDOWS, WHICH ARE THEN GOING TO PROMPTLY FAIL AND LEAK, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HECK OF A TIME AND HAVE TO FIND AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR THAT'S GOING TO COME IN AND BID IT, START NEW ON THE JOB SITE AND PROBABLY COST US MORE THAN THE $24,000 CHANGE ORDER, AS MUCH AS I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO GO FORWARD SOMEHOW.
>> I'M NOT A WINDOW CONTRACTOR OR AN ENGINEERING SERVICE, IN MY BRAIN.
WHEN YOU'RE REPLACING THE WINDOWS.
YOU WOULD REPLACE EVERYTHING AROUND.
TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY SAID SO, WE KEEP THE WEATHER OUT AND, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I GUESS MY QUESTION REALLY, WE SHOULD ASK THEM HOW IT WAS, MR. WHY IT WAS MR.
>> I WANT TO GET TO THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM.
THAT'S REALLY THE MAIN, ONE OF THE MAIN QUESTION.
>> LEFT THIS OFF THE PROJECT AND OFF THE BID SHEET BECAUSE THIS CAN'T BE A RECURRING THEME, I GUESS, IS WHAT I WOULD SAY.
>> WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
>> I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT. DON'T WANT TO BE AN ARCHITECT.
BUT I WOULD SAY ONE THING THAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY OLD BUILDING.
THAT IS PROBABLY NOT TYPICAL CONSTRUCTION.
MY GUESS IS THAT WE CAN'T ASSUME THAT WHAT IS DONE AT EVERY OTHER LOCATION ON A TYPICAL BUILDING WOULD APPLY TO THE UP MUSEUM.
THAT MAY BE WHERE WE GOT INTO AN ISSUE HERE.
BUT WE'LL ASK THE QUESTION AND VERIFY.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THE ORDINANCE OR THE RESOLUTIONS?
>> ON THE SEVEN BREW COFFEE BUILDING. IS THAT A REFAB? THE RENDERINGS DON'T LOOK LIKE THE US BANK BUILDING.
THEY'RE GOING TO TEAR IT DOWN, TEAR IT DOWN. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
>> THEY'RE TEARING DOWN THE BUILDING.
>> SEVEN BREW IS ONE OF THE FASTEST-GROWING CHAINS IN AMERICA.
IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THESE GUYS COME HERE.
I DO KNOW THAT. I DON'T DRINK COFFEE, SO I DON'T REALLY CARE, BUT I'M GLAD THEY'RE COMPANY DRINK. I DRINK MONSTER.
>> YOU DON'T EVEN DRINK COFFEE.
>> MONSTER OR PRIME OR WHATEVER THOSE ENERGY DRINKS AT ALL.
>> BUT I WAS AT A CONFERENCE, AND SEVEN BREW WAS ONE OF THE TOP GROWING CHAINS IN AMERICA.
I'M EXCITED TO HAVE THEM IN TOWN.
>> OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE RESOLUTIONS ORDINANCE OR THE PERMITS AND CANCELLATIONS.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE A SLIGHT BIT OF CONVERSATION, I GUESS, ON OFAC IF THAT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE.
I'M LOOKING AT WHAT I'M SEEING.
OUR NOTE IN THE PACKET IS A MAJOR ISSUE.
HOW DO WE, I GUESS, CHIEF, THIS WOULD BE FOR YOU.
I WOULD LIKE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS.
YOU CAN BOTH COME UP IF YOU'D LIKE.
[LAUGHTER] YOU JUST SO LEAVE IT TO HIM.
>> THAT'S AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT WE'VE BEEN KEEPING AN EYE ON.
THERE'S BEEN A FEW ISSUES THERE.
WE HAD A SHOOTING AT THE LOCATION NOT TOO LONG AGO.
THE VICE UNIT AND LIEUTENANT GALVIN HAS BEEN TALKING TO THE STATE REGULATORS.
WE'VE BEEN KEEPING A CLOSE TAB, MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAD THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD.
THE MOST RECENT REPORT THAT CAME OVER FROM THE PD REFLECTED THE FEEDBACK THAT WE WERE GETTING FROM THE STATE.
WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL CALLS FOR SERVICE OR ANY OTHER MAJOR INCIDENTS OTHER THAN THE ONE THAT WE ALL KNOW ABOUT.
IT IS A PLACE IN ESTABLISHMENT THAT WE'VE BEEN WATCHING, AND I STAND BY THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE VICE UNIT MADE.
>> WE FEEL THAT WE CAN, THIS IS A GOOD IDEA, IS WHAT I'M SAYING, RIGHT?
>> WE'VE BEEN DOWN THIS PATH BEFORE.
>> I KNOW, I JUST HONESTLY, YOU COULD TELL ME IT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA AND THE STATES GOING TO GIVE THEM THEIR LICENSE BACK BECAUSE THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING. THAT'S IS NOT AN ISSUE.
>> WE GOT THE OTHER ONE TAKEN. WE WENT TO THE [OVERLAPPING]
>> I GUESS MY CONCERN WOULD BE THE FACT THAT WHEN I READ IN THAT, HE HAD A HARD TIME GETTING A HOLD OF THE OWNER AND MAKING CONTACT.
IF WE HAD ANOTHER ISSUE IN THERE,
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AND IT TOOK TIME TO REACH IT, THAT COULD BE A CONCERN.>> THEY WERE ULTIMATELY RESPONSIVE, BUT THEY WERE NOT IMMEDIATELY RESPONSIVE.
>> WAS THAT EVENT, DO WE THINK, MORE OF A ONE OFF SITUATION AND NOT INDICATIVE OF WHAT WE SHOULD EXPECT FROM THAT ESTABLISHMENT.
>> THERE WAS NOTHING THAT I THINK WE NO STAFF MEMBER, NO OWNER OPERATOR WAS CHARGED OR INVESTIGATED.
IT WAS ALL, I THINK A RESULT OF ACTIVITIES THAT HAPPENED AROUND EXTERIOR ESTABLISHMENTS.
THE ESTABLISHMENT OBVIOUSLY HAS A HISTORY EVEN BEFORE I CAME TO THE DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY.
THEY WERE ULTIMATELY RESPONSIVE, BUT NOT IMMEDIATELY RESPONSIVE.
WHEN PEOPLE GET PHONE CALLS AND WHEN THEY COME BACK, OBVIOUSLY, WHEN THERE'S A SHOOTING, IT'S OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY AND OUR DETECTIVES ARE WORKING ON IT AND THEY EXPECT, PEOPLE TO GET BACK TO THEM IMMEDIATELY.
THEY WERE GOTTEN BACK TO JUST NOT AS TIMELY AS OUR PEOPLE WOULD HAVE LIKED.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN THOSE THREE AREAS, RESOLUTIONS, ORDINANCES, OR PERMIT AND CANCELLATION.
>> COURTNEY, ON THE EXTENSION FOR USA BUILDERS.
DID THEY GIVE LIKE, JUST BECAUSE THEY SPLIT IT, OR WHAT I MEAN? WHAT'S CAUSE THEY'VE BUILT SOME OTHER INFILL HOUSES FOR US, AND THEY'VE HAD A COUPLE OF OTHER EXTENSIONS.
I FEEL LIKE ON OTHER PROPERTIES.
THIS IS THE FIRST ONE FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, BUT WE'VE DONE EXTENSIONS ON OTHER INFILLS FORM.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE DO AN EXTENSION EVERY TIME THEY DO THIS.
THEY'VE GOT THE OTHER ONES DONE, BUT I JUST WANT TO DO YOU SEE THIS AS PROBLEMATIC? OR ANY?
>> I DON'T. HE'S PULLED PERMITS. I KNOW HE'S MOVING FORWARD.
HE DOES HAVE THE SPLIT DONE, SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S PROBLEMATIC.
HE JUST PERHAPS IS A LITTLE SLOWER THAN HE HAS, BUT AGAIN, HE HAS OTHER PROJECTS IN THE PIPELINE.
I KNOW THAT MR. SANTACRUZ CAN GET IT DONE, SO I'M NOT.
>> HE'S DONE, QUITE A FEW HOUSES IN TIME.
>> JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE WE TYPICALLY WE DO ONE EXTENSION PER PROPERTY, AND SO.
>> YEAH, I THINK IT'LL BE OKAY.
>> I HAVE A COMMENT FOR THE COUNCIL MAYOR.
FOR THE SUDBECK ISSUE, IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING PUTTING A CONDITION ON THE MOTION, I WOULD ALSO THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THE CONDITION ISN'T MET, IF YOU WANT TO AUTOMATICALLY VOID THE RESOLUTION OR IF YOU WANT TO REQUIRE ANOTHER COUNCIL ACTION.
I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE SO THAT YOU COULD DISCUSS THAT OR THINK ABOUT THAT BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT.
>> I WAS ALSO GOING TO ASK ONE IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK UP.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT ON THE PHONE, BUT WHAT IS THE INCENTIVE AND DECENTIVE OR THE CHARACTER THE STICK, AS YOU LIKE TO SAY? IF SUDBECK DOESN'T GET IT DONE, HE DOESN'T GET HIS PROFIT, BUT HE MAKES MONEY ALONG THE WAY.
IF HE DOES 38, AND HE MADE THREE MILLION OR TWO MILLION ALONG THE WAY.
WHO CARES ABOUT 250 GRAND? HE JUST STOPS.
OR IS THERE PENALTY FROM THE STATE FOR US? THEN ONE OTHER QUESTION.
MR. SUDBECK HAS ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT COMING UP, CORRECT? AGAIN, SAME TYPE OF THING.
ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH HIM DOING STEVENS ROAD AND MANUEL?
>> WELL, HE OWNS STEVENS ROAD.
HIS TIMELINE ON THAT ISN'T AS APPLICABLE IN MY OPINION TO US.
HE HAS ASSURED ME THAT THIS WILL BE HIS PRIORITY.
OUR PROJECT WOULD BE HIS PRIORITY.
AS FAR AS THE INCENTIVE FROM THE STATE, THEY'RE PAYING ON THE UNIT AS IT'S CONSTRUCTED.
THEY HAVE NOT SAID WHAT THE PENALTY IS TO THE CITY IF WE ARE NOT WITHIN OUR TIMELINE.
THE FIRST PROJECT MANAGER WE HAD WAS PRETTY ADAMANT THAT WE HAD A VERY STRICT DEADLINE.
THE NEXT ONE IS, WE HAVE TO GET AN EXTENSION FROM HUD ALREADY, SO I THINK IT WILL BE OKAY.
I DON'T HAVE A GREAT ANSWER FOR THAT.
BUT, HE'S ONLY GOING TO GET HIS PROFIT PER UNIT.
IF HE DOES NOT FINISH ALL THE UNITS, HE'S NOT GOING TO GET THE FULL PROFIT THAT HE CAN MAXIMIZE, BUT HE'S BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT HE CAN MEET OUR TIMELINE THAT WE'VE COMMITTED TO.
>> IN RESPONSE TO OUR ATTORNEY'S ADVICE, I WOULD SAY IF HE CAN'T GET PROOF OF FINANCING, WE CUT THE COURT THEN AND THERE.
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>> ESPECIALLY WITH A LONG LIST OF FOLKS THAT ARE LOOK TO BE QUALIFIED TO DO IT.
>> DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON TIME FRAME TO PROVIDE THAT BANK FINANCING? BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, HE SHOULD ALREADY HAVE THAT CAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, YOUR TEAM SHOULD BE IN PLACE.
>> WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MAKE THE NEXT SET I WOULD SAY TWO WEEKS.
I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO SAY THAT HE COULD HAVE SOME COMMITMENT FROM A CONTINGENT COMMITMENT FROM HIS BANK WITHIN TWO WEEKS.
>> IF IT'S ALREADY IN PLACE, HE SHOULD HAVE IT TOMORROW AT 8:00 WHEN HE CALLS.
>> I AGREE. THAT'S WHERE I STRUGGLE, AND THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT'S JUST IT APPEARS AS THOUGH IT WAS AT LEAST APPEARED TO ME THE RESPONSE WAS SUCH THAT.
>> IF YOU NEED IT, I WILL GET YOU A FORM FROM THE BANK. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?
>> WHAT TIMELINE DO YOU WANT? MAYBE THAT'S A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT.
>> IT'S A RELATIVELY BIG PROJECT.
>> THE OTHER ONES HAD ABOUT FIVE MILLION IN THE LETTERS THAT THEY HAD.
THE OTHER LETTERS THAT WERE PROVIDED FROM THE BANKS.
>> ONE PERSON HAD FIVE MILLION, NOT THE OTHERS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT THE COST IS.
>> NO. BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE ROLLING ANYWAY.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE UNITS THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
>> [OVERLAPPING] YOU GET PAID OFF?
>> YEAH, SO IT DOESN'T PERHAPS NEED TO BE.
>> BUT I WOULD THINK HAVING DONE THAT FOR 30 YEARS, IT'S NOT A STANDARD FORM.
THEY'D HAVE TO WRITE UP TERMS LETTER.
>> THE BANKS THAT I SPOKE TO THAT PROVIDED LETTERS FOR OTHER FOLKS.
THEY WERE VERY CLEAR THAT IT WAS A PROMISE IT WAS NOT A PROMISE OF CREDIT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE'RE INTERESTED IN THIS PROJECT, AND WE'RE WILLING TO EXPLORE IT.
IT WAS NOT A FINAL COMMITMENT.
I WOULD SAY AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THEY DID NOT HAVE THEIR FINANCING IN PLACE.
THEY HAD BEEN WORKING WITH A BANK.
I GUESS, AGAIN, MY QUESTION IS, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU WANT TO GIVE?
>> I THINK TEN DAYS IS PROBABLY IF THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, I SAID YOU WERE A BANKER FOR A LONG TIME, SO.
>> THAT 10 BUSINESS DAYS OR 10 DAYS?
>> I WOULD IMAGINE 10 BUSINESS DAYS. THAT'S HOW THE BANKS WORK.
>> YEAH, YOU'RE BACK TO YOU JOY.
>> YOU SEE WHAT I LIKE MY MIND SAID.
HE WAS LIKE, WELL YOU'RE SITTING HERE MAIL NOW.
>> WELL, YEAH, HIS RESPONSE WAS YES.
IN THE EMAIL LIKE, THAT'S SO OKAY.
>> ALL RIGHT. I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU WHEN CHIEF WALKS UP.
WHERE ARE YOU AT ON A PARKS DIRECTOR?
>> ZACH SMITH FILLED IN LAST TIME PRETTY ADMIRABLY.
WE CONTINUE TO WEIGH OUR OPTIONS.
THERE'S A COUPLE SCENARIOS THAT WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND BEFORE.
>> ZACH SMITH IS OUR ACTING DIRECTOR RIGHT NOW.
HE'S ON VACATION THIS WEEK, BUT HE IS OUR ACTING PARKS DIRECTOR.
>> DID A FINE JOB WHEN VINCENT WAS OUT WITH AFTER SURGERY, SO WE'RE NOT CONCERNED.
>> JUST TO PUT A FINER POINT ON MY ANSWER BEFORE WHERE I SAID, I STAND BY THE ASSESSMENT OF THE VICE UNIT, THE NEW IN WELL, RELATIVELY NEW INSTRUMENT THAT WE PUT TOGETHER HAS A YELLOW, RED, GREEN TRAFFIC LIGHT WARNING INDICATOR, ALONG WITH VOLUME OF CALLS FOR SERVICE, VOLUME OF CASE REPORTS.
THEN WITH THE WRITTEN SUMMARY AT THE BOTTOM TO INFORM COUNCIL'S DECISION.
I DO THINK AND JODI COULD CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT SINCE WE'VE CREATED THIS NEW INSTRUMENT, THAT IS THE FIRST ESTABLISHMENT THAT GOT THE RED EVALUATION FROM VICE. JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
I STILL STAND BY THE ASSESSMENT OF THE VICE UNIT.
BUT THAT TOOL THAT WE CREATED FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, THAT WE PURPOSEFULLY GAVE THE VICE UNITS, RISK ASSESSMENT PLUS VOLUMES OF CALLS FOR SERVICE, VOLUMES OF CASE REPORT, AND THAT LITTLE NARRATIVE THAT YOU READ AT THE BOTTOM, AND I DO BELIEVE JUST TO PUT THINGS IN CONTEXT, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY VALIDATE IT THAT THAT'S THE FIRST ONE THAT WE'VE GIVEN A RED TO SINCE WE'VE CREATED THAT.
>> ON THAT SAME NOTE, THAT'S WHY I SAY, LIKE, LOOK, THIS HAS GOT A RED.
THAT'S A STOP. DO I, ARE WE SURE ON THIS?
>> YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT'S WHY.
>> I ASKED THE QUESTION, I GUESS, RATHER THAN I COULD HAVE NOT BROUGHT IT UP, I SUPPOSE, BUT WHEN I SAW THAT, OH, BOY.
>> THAT'S WHY WE CREATE IT. ULTIMATELY IT'S THE COUNCIL'S DECISION.
THE VICE UNIT ASSIGNED IT THAT ASSESSMENT FOR THOSE FACTORS AND REASONS.
I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
I FELT LIKE WHEN I SAID I STOOD BY THEIR ASSESSMENT,
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I DIDN'T EMPHASIZE THAT WAS THE HIGHEST RISK ASSESSMENT THAT THE NEW INSTRUMENT GIVES.>> ANYTHING ELSE FOR A GOOD EXECUTIVE? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL.
[EXECUTIVE SESSION]
[1. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
AS TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS ONE ISSUE UNDER INDIVISIBLE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE IN THE WORLD.>> LIKE CALL TO MEETING TO ORDER,
[2. CALL TO ORDER]
SHOW ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE IN ATTENDANCE.[3. CONSENT AGENDA]
I'D ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> POSE SAME SIGN. TONIGHT. WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
[A. Resolution 25-180 (Continued from 7-14-25)]
IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL IN REGARDS TO EITHER ONE OF THESE, PLEASE STEP FORWARD, GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.NOW IS TIME AND PLACE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IN REGARDS TO RESOLUTION 25180.
THIS WAS CONTINUED FROM JULY 14, A RESOLUTION APPROVING SUDBECK HOMES AS A SELECTED BUILDER FOR THE EAST MANAWA PHASE 1 HOUSING PROJECT.
EXCUSE ME. I APPROVED PUBLICATION ON FILE?
>> ANY WRITTEN PROTESTS RECEIVED?
>> ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS COUNCIL IN REGARDS TO THIS MATTER? IS THERE A MOTION FROM THE COUNCIL?
>> I'LL SECOND AND THEN MAKE AN AMENDMENT.
YEAH. I'LL SECOND SECOND WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION, AND THEN I'LL AMEND IT IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
>> I WILL SECOND FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES.
>> DO YOU WANT TO AMEND IT NOW, AND THEN WE CAN GET CONCURRENCE FROM STEVE ON.
>> SURE. WELL, I'D LIKE TO HAVE DISCUSSION FIRST, I GUESS, ACTUALLY. IF THAT'S OKAY.
>> YEAH. JUST NOT AMEND. DISCUSSION.
>> WE HAD LONG DISCUSSION AND STUDY SESSION.
TALKING WITH MIMI AND AS I LOOK AT THIS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BEING CONTINUED FROM 714 BECAUSE STAFF HAD FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FOR EVERYBODY.
I HAD TALKED ABOUT CONTINUING IT FOR TWO WEEKS.
COURTNEY DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS A GOOD PLAN.
THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE RESPONSE ABOUT FINANCING WAS YES, IN THE E MAIL FROM MR. SUDBECK.
WE ALL HAD CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING FINANCING IN PLACE AND HAVING THE TEAM IN PLACE, WE TALKED ABOUT GIVING HIM TWO WEEKS TO DO THAT.
I THINK MY THOUGHT IS WE GIVE HIM TO THE END OF THE WEEK.
THAT'S JUST WHERE I'VE SINCE STUDY SESSION, BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT.
I WANTED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE I MADE THE AMENDMENT.
BECAUSE WHILE, AS YOU SAID, IT CAN TAKE SOME TIME TO GET THAT IN PLACE.
I THINK HE SHOULD ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE.
TALKING TO THE BANK ABOUT THE DISCUSSION WITH THE BANK SHOULD HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED, I GUESS IS WHERE I'M AT.
WHETHER I KNOW IT'S DIFFERENT FINANCING AND THE LETTER OF INFORMATION OR WHATEVER.
LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THESE LETTERS IN HERE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT APPROVED OR INTERESTED.
ONE DID SAY, WE'RE NOT COMMITTED OTHER SAID COMMITTED.
I WANTED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT GIVING THEM TO THE END OF THE WEEK.
SEE WHAT THE COUNSEL THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
>> WELL, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE IT CONTINGENT TO HIS FINANCING ANYWAY.
IF IT DID FALL THROUGH BECAUSE HE COULDN'T GET THE FINANCING.
THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE RIGHT BEHIND HIM THAT WE CAN GO TO AND HAVE THE SAME SCENARIO.
I REALLY DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PUT ANYTHING ELSE ON THERE.
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY PUT [OVERLAPPING]?
>> I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A TIME FRAME ON HIS THING AS LONG AS HE MEETS THE CONTRACT THAT WE'RE WRITING UP.
>> MEANING AS WE DID PUT A TIME FRAME ON THAT.
>> IF WE DO A TWO WEEK TIME FRAME OR A 10 BUSINESS DAY TIME FRAME THAT STILL SAY HE DOESN'T MEET IT,
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THEN WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE OUR NEXT MEETING, WE WOULD THEN BE MAKING A CHOICE AGAIN FOR A FOLLOW UP PERSON, I GUESS.A WEEK, 10 DAYS, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE THAT REALLY MAKES, BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, IT'LL EITHER BE ABLE TO DO IT OR NOT BE ABLE TO DOESN'T.
WE'LL BE BACK HERE IN TWO WEEKS ON MONDAY AGAIN OR WHATEVER THAT.
YEAH. GO, WELL, IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, THIS STAFF WILL SUPPLY ANOTHER NEXT UP, I GUESS.
>> I'M WITH YOU. LIKE YOU SAID, YOU CAN HAVE IT TOMORROW MORNING. IT SHOULD ALREADY IN PLACE.
[OVERLAPPING] EIGHT PEOPLE THAT APPLIED TO AN RFP THAT I'M TELLING YOU, NONE OF THEM HAVE SPECIFICALLY IN PLACE FOR THIS DEAL BECAUSE AS A BANKER, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND TWO WEEKS WORKING [OVERLAPPING].
HE CAN'T WORK UP A CREDIT BY FRIDAY.
THERE'S NO WAY THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
NOW, YOU GOT TO GO TO LOAN COMMITTEE TWICE A WEEK.
YOU GOT TO HAVE IT WRITTEN UP AND DISTRIBUTED BY A CERTAIN DATE, LIKE CITY COUNCIL STUFF.
>> I GUESS COURTNEY ASKED IF HE HAD FINANCING IN PLACE.
I GUESS I CAN LOOK AT HER EXACT WORDING, AND HE SAID, YES. THAT WAS THE ANSWER.
YEAH, SHE ASKED EVERYBODY THAT, NOT JUST HIM.
I CAN LOOK AT THE EXACT WORDING IN, I REALLY STRUGGLE WITHOUT THE FINANCING IN PLACE.
>> WELL, THEN THE OTHER THING, TOO, IS WE'RE ALREADY BEHIND WE'VE HAD TROUBLE WITH THIS PROJECT WITH A PREVIOUS CONTRACTOR.
IT'S GOING TO SLOW US DOWN THAT MUCH MORE.
>> THESE GUYS CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL THE CITY PUTS THE ROAD IN, AND THAT'S THE END OF AUGUST.
IS THE DEADLINE FOR THAT IS WHAT I WAS TOLD?
>> WELL, LIKE I SAY, WE DON'T WANT TO SLOW THIS PROJECT DOWN ANYMORE.
HE'S GOING TO COME FORWARD WITH IT, OR HE ISN'T.
THEN AT THAT POINT, WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT PERSON IN.
>> COURTNEY'S EMAIL SAYS, THE CONSTRUCTION OFFSET IS 125,000 PER UNIT THAT CAN BE COLLECTED INCREMENTALLY.
DO YOU HAVE FINANCING IN PLACE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD OF THE HOMES UNTIL THE SALE? HIS RESPONSE WAS YES.
>> THAT TO ME MEANS HE'S GOT THE FINANCING IN PLACE, AND MAYBE THAT'S NOT HOW IT READS.
>> I WOULD SAY IN THE INTEREST OF HOW LONG IT MIGHT TAKE TO GET SOMETHING.
I GUESS AFTER HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WE HAD EARLIER, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IF WE GIVE HIM THE TEN BUSINESS DAYS, WE STILL END UP AT THE SAME RESULT NEXT MEETING, WE'RE PICKING SOMEONE DIFFERENT. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
>> I GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT WE POTENTIALLY RULE SOMEBODY OUT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE STAFF IN PLACE FOR THE DAVIS-BACON TO MONITOR AND TAKE CARE OF THAT.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE HIM TWO WEEKS TO GIVE US THE PAPERWORK FOR THE FINANCING.
I THINK IT'S FAIR FOR ALL PARTIES INVOLVED TO POSTPONE THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
IF HE DOESN'T HAVE IT BY THAT TIME, WE GO WITH OUR NEXT PERSON.
THAT GIVES HIM TWO WEEKS TO GET THE FINANCING PREPARED IN WRITING, OR IT GIVES SOMEBODY ELSE TWO WEEKS TO GET STAFF PREPARED FOR EDIT AND AUDIT THE DAVIS-BACON.
>> CORDY SAID SHE WANTED TO WORK.
>> I'D SAY STAFF HAD REQUESTED WE DID THIS WITH A CAVEAT OF HAVING TO BRING IT IN BY THEN, I GUESS, TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD.
>> I THINK I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN, TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, THIS PROJECT HAS TO SUCCEED.
THAT'S WHY I THINK ALL OF US ARE PUTTING EXTRA TIME AND EFFORT AND THOUGHT INTO THIS EXACT PROCESS AND [OVERLAPPING] UNDERSTANDING THE TIME FRAME AND THE FEDERAL FUNDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S WHY I MEAN, STAFF EVALUATING PICKING, TYPICALLY, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS, AND I THINK THAT DID A GOOD JOB.
AGAIN, I JUST WITH ALL OF THIS INFORMATION, AND AGAIN, IT SAYS HE SAID HE HAD FINANCING IN PLACE.
I MEAN, I WOULD SAY END OF BUSINESS ON THE 8TH.
>> WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY, I JUST CHANGED MY MIND.
WE NEED TO HAVE IT BY THE 8TH.
WE CAN'T GIVE HIM UNTIL MONDAY BECAUSE WE HAVE THE MEETING ON THAT DAY, [OVERLAPPING] HIM BY THE EIGHTH.
OTHERWISE, WE CAN'T POST IT IN TIME TO GET IT SQUARED AWAY FOR MONDAY'S AGENDA, CORRECT? MAYBE THIS IS QUESTION FOR YOU. I'M SORRY.
>> YEAH. WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TROUBLE EVEN IF WE ARE WAITING UNTIL THE EIGHTH BECAUSE OUR MEETING IS ON THE 11TH.
>> IF WE WANTED TO CONSIDER SOMEBODY ELSE FOR THE 11TH, WE'D NEED THAT ON THE AGENDA.
DID YOU DO THAT TEN DAYS BEFORE,
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DON'T YOU, JODI ON THE FIRST?>> YEAH. BUT WE'RE ALSO THERE'S ALSO WHAT SOUNDS LIKE WITHIN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY AND WHAT THE BANKS CAN ACTUALLY GET DONE.
>> WE CAN PUT A PLACEHOLDER, BUT YOU'D HAVE.
IF YOU GAVE IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE, YOU'D HAVE TO TALK TO THEM.
THEY'D HAVE TO GET, I MEAN, IF YOU HOLD THEM THE SAME STANDARD.
[OVERLAPPING] OTHER THAN ONE, THE OTHERS GOT WHAT IN MY BANKING CAREER? I CALLED A NON-COMMITMENT LETTER.
>> YEAH, AND PRE-APPROVAL FOR [OVERLAPPING].
>> THEY HAVE LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT ALLOWS THE BANK TO.
>> I HAD ASKED COURTNEY IF BY THE END OF THE WEEK WAS OKAY, AND SHE RESPONDED AND SAID, HE SHOULD HAVE IT BY THE END OF THE WEEK.
I THINK IF WE ASK FOR [OVERLAPPING].
>> WELL, THEN LET'S PUT IT ON THE 7TH.
>> BY END OF THE BUSINESS [OVERLAPPING].
>> IF SHE'S SAYING HE SAID HE CAN HAVE IT BY FRIDAY.
>> LET'S JUST FOR THE BUSINESS ON THE SEVENTH?
>> THAT'S THE NEXT WEEK, THOUGH.
>> THE AGENDA GOES OUT FOR THE 11TH ON THE 5TH.
>> NOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WE JUST.
>> I THINK THE GUYS MOUNT FINANCING. I HOPE HE DOES.
HE WILL BE SUPER SUCCESSFUL, AND THIS PROJECT GOES OFF WITHOUT A HITCH.
THAT'S THE HOPE. THAT'S THE ABSOLUTE HOPE.
>> CORRECT. I'M AFRAID OF JILL TO YOUR POINT.
I'M AFRAID OF PUSHING IT OUT TWO WEEKS THEN HAVING ANOTHER ISSUE.
THEN YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I DON'T WANT TO I KNOW WE'RE UNDER THE GUN, AND WHOEVER THIS KID IS GOING TO GO TO, THEY NEED ALL EVERY MINUTE THEY CAN GET TO GET THERE.
>>I DON'T THINK THAT A NEW ONE WILL COME FORWARD ON THE 11TH IF YOU GIVE HIM UNTIL THE 8TH.
>> WE'LL GIVE HIM UNTIL THE END OF BUSINESS ON 7TH.
>> IT WON'T BE ENOUGH TIME FOR THEM TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
>> THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THIS. THEY'VE ALREADY RANKED EVERYONE SCORES.
THAT'S THE DATE SUPPOSED TO BE.
>> I WOULD MOVE TO AN AMENDMENT, STEVE, TO YOURS TO THE RESOLUTION 5180.
>> BUT STEVE WASN'T ON THE SAME PAGES.
WE'D PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE A VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT [OVERLAPPING] THE MOTION MADE, AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE A SECOND.
>> STEVE, YOU CAN CONCUR WITH THE SECOND OR LET'S TAKE THE FIRST MOTION AND VOTE ON IT.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO VOTE ON THE FIRST MOTION.
>> THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS TO APPROVE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION 25-180, SUBJECT TO SUB HOMES PROVIDING PROOF OF SECURED PROJECT FINANCING TO OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, COURTNEY HARDER BY END OF BUSINESS AUGUST 6.
>> IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.
>> IF WE'RE GOING TO HOLD THAT TO THIS CONTRACTOR AND WE SAY HE DOESN'T GET IT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO START THAT PROCESS AGAIN WITH THE NEXT CONTRACTOR TO HAVE TO PROVE.
>> FINANCING. ABSOLUTELY, EVERYTHING.
>> THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING [OVERLAPPING].
>> I WOULD IMAGINE ALL SEVEN ARE WATCHING, SO THEY WOULD KNOW. I MEAN, THAT'S MY GUESS.
I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE IF MR. SUDBECK DOESN'T COME UP WITH FINANCING AND WHOEVER COURTNEY WOULD RECOMMEND NEXT, THEY SHOULD HAVE FINANCING IN PLACE AND READY IF YOU'RE WATCHING.
BUT LIKE I SAID, I DO HOPE MR. SUDBECK HAS IT BY THE END OF THE WEEK, AND THE PROJECT GOES OFF WITHOUT A HITCH. THAT'S THE GOAL.
>> THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING WHAT I WAS SAYING ABOUT IF WE PUSHED OUT TWO WEEKS, THEN WE START THE PROCESS.
AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE BETTER OFF IN THIS ROUTE.
BUT THAT'S MY OPINION, I GUESS.
>> FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE?
>> OPPOSE, SAME SIGN. NOW IT'S TIME [OVERLAPPING].
>> SORRY. NOW IT'S TIME PLACED FOR PUBLIC HEARING REGARD TO RESOLUTION 25-186?
[B. Resolution 25-186]
THIS RESOLUTION DETERMINES AN AREA OF THE CITY TO BE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA, AND THAT THE REHABILITATION, CONSERVATION, REDEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPMENT, OR A COMBINATION THEREOF OF SUCH AREA AS NECESSARY IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, DESIGNATED SUCH AREA AS APPROPRIATE FOR URBAN RENEWAL PROJECTS AND ADOPTING THE GRAPPLERS GATE URBAN RENEWAL PLAN AS PROOF OF PUBLICATION ON FILE.>> ANY WRITTEN PROTESTS RECEIVED?
>> ELIZABETH HUNTER, SNYDER AND ASSOCIATES, 231 BENNETT AVENUE, HERE IN COUNCIL BLUFFS.
ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT, AND JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR ELIZABETH? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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>> IS THERE A DISCUSSION? [NOISE] ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> POSE SAME SIGN. MADAM CLERK.
[A. Ordinance 6654]
>> ORDINANCE 6654, AN ORDINANCE PROVIDING THAT GENERAL PROPERTY TAX LEVIED AND COLLECTED EACH YEAR ON ALL PROPERTIES WITHIN THE GAPLERS GATE UNION URBAN RENEWAL AREA IN THE CITY OF COUNCIL BLUFFS COUNTY OF POTTAWATOMIE, STATE OF IOWA, BY AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE STATE OF IOWA, CITY OF COUNCIL BLUFFS, COUNTY OF POTTAWATOMIE, COUNCIL BUFFS COMMUNITY SCHOOL DISTRICTS, AND OTHER TAXING DISTRICTS, TO BE PAID A SPECIAL FUND FOR PAYMENTS OF PRINCIPALS AND INTEREST ON LOANS, MONIES ADVANCED TO AND INDEBTEDNESS, INCLUDING BONDS ISSUED TO OR TO BE ISSUED, INCURRED BY THE CITY IN CONNECTION WITH THE GRAPPLERS GATE URBAN RENEWAL AREA.
>> IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE?
>> IS THERE ANY INTEREST IN WAIVING THIRD?
>> THAT'S ONLY THE SECOND. THE FIRST READING IS THIS?
>> OH, IT IS. YOU'RE RIGHT. SORRY.
>> I MEAN, THERE MIGHT BE THERE'S THAT BE NEXT TIME.
>> THERE'S SOME INTEREST BY SOMEONE NOW WITH A NAME TODAY.
>> RESOLUTION 25-187 AND 25-188,
[A. Resolutions 25-187 and 25-188]
RESOLUTIONS CREATING ONE NEW UTILITY WORKER TWO POSITION AND ONE NEW EQUIPMENT OPERATOR THREE POSITION WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.>> IS THERE DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFIED BY SAYING AYE?
>> RESOLUTION 25-189, A RESOLUTION ABOLISHING A HUMAN RESOURCES ANALYST POSITION AND
[B. Resolution 25-189]
CREATING A NEW POSITION OF SENIOR BUSINESS ANALYST AND BUSINESS ANALYST IN THE IT DEPARTMENT.>> IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE?
>> RESOLUTION 25-190, RESOLUTION APPROVING
[C. Resolution 25-190]
CHANGE ORDER NUMBER ONE FROM BLACKHAWK CONSTRUCTION LLC, ADDING $24,574.99 TO THE CONTRACT AMOUNT FOR THE UP MUSEUM WINDOW AND DOORS.>> I THINK WE WENT INTO THIS A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT WAYS THIS AFTERNOON.
BUT WHEN IT ALL COMES DOWN TO IT, IF WE WANT THIS PROJECT FINISHED, THE FASTEST AND CHEAPEST WAY TO DO IT IS GOING TO BE FOR US TO CONTINUE ON WITH THOSE THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY WORKING ON IT.
WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH THE MAYOR AND OUR OTHER STAFF THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH WHERE IN THE PROCESS THE BALL WAS POSSIBLY DROPPED HERE, AND KNOW WHAT SYSTEMS POSSIBLY FAILED.
THEN TAKE THAT AND KEEP THAT IN OUR MIND GOING FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE DON'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
WE CAN'T HAVE THIS HAPPEN ON A CONSISTENT BASIS.
>> I'LL GET THAT INFORMATION REPORT BACK.
>> FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE?
>> RESOLUTION 25-191, RESOLUTION ADOPTING
[D. Resolution 25-191]
A SITE-SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A RESTAURANT DRIVE-THROUGH USE ON PROPERTY LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS LOT 1, BENSON'S SECOND EDITION, REPLOT 1.>> IS THERE A DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFIED BY SAYING AYE.
>> RESOLUTION 25-192, A RESOLUTION
[E. Resolution 25-192]
GRANTING A NINE-MONTH EXTENSION OF TIME TO USA BUILDERS, LLC TO CONSTRUCT TWO RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS ON PROPERTY FORMALLY OWNED BY THE CITY OF COUNCIL LOVES BEING DESCRIBED AS THE EAST HALF OF LOT 3 BLOCK 45 PEERS ADDITION, AND THE WEST HALF OF LOT 3 BLOCK 45 PEERS ADDITION.>> I ASKED COURTNEY OR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, TODAY ABOUT THE EXTENSION.
WE TYPICALLY JUST GIVE ONE OF THESE FOR PER INFILL LOT, AND THIS GENTLEMAN HAS BUILT USA BUILDERS BUILT A LOT OF INFILL LOTS IN OUR TOWN, SO SHE'S COMFORTABLE WITH IT, SO I WOULD AGREE.
>> ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> RESOLUTIONS 25-193 AND 25-194.
[F. Resolutions 25-193 and 25-194]
RESOLUTION 25-193, APPROVING THE REQUEST OF PROPOSALS FOR APPROXIMATELY 2.22 ACRES OF LAND AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF MOHAWK STREET AND COMANCHE STREET.RESOLUTION 25-194 IS APPROVING MINIMUM DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS, REVIEW STANDARDS AND PROCEDURES.
FOR DISPOSITION OF CERTAIN PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN THE URBAN RENEWAL AREA AND SOLICITING
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PROPOSALS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS.>> HOPEFULLY, WE GET MULTIPLE BIDS ON THIS, TOO.
>> HOPEFULLY, THE INTEREST IS AS HIGH AS IT WAS ON THE FIRST ONE.
SOME OF THE ENCUMBRANCES THAT WE HAD ON THE FIRST PROJECT WERE NOT HERE IN THIS ONE.
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS AND CANCELLATIONS.
[7. APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS AND CANCELLATIONS]
>> MOTION TO APPROVE SEVEN A ONE THROUGH SEVEN B AND C.
>> WHAT, BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW.
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE?
ANY ADDITIONAL BUSINESS FROM THE COUNCIL? ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL?
[9. CITIZENS REQUEST TO BE HEARD]
>> WHEN DO YOU GUYS THINK YOU'LL BE OPEN?
>> AS SOON AS POSSIBLE [INAUDIBLE].
>> ALREADY GOT ONE. THANK YOU.
>> ON THAT I'M LOOKING AT. MY NAME [OVERLAPPING].
>> YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FIRST.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE THE COUNCILS IN DIFFERENT DISTRICTS AND STUFF, BUT I WISH THAT WAY THEY WOULD WORK IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
YOU TAKE TWIN CITY, WHERE I LIVE AT.
IT HAD ALL NEW SEWAGE, NEW ROADS, NEW THIS.
YOU GOT THE OTHER PART OVER WHERE IS THE SCHOOL TO FORWAY? ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET, THEY HAVEN'T DONE NOTHING.
THEY PROMISED WHEN THEY THAT THAT WORK WOULD GET DONE.
I GOT A JUST REMODEL MY WHOLE HOUSE.
MY HOUSE IS ABOUT 300,000 IN THERE.
I DO NOT MIND PAYING TAXES, BUT WHEN I DO PAY TAXES, I LIKE A CLEAN, NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.
JUST LIKE WHEN I WAS TALKING TO THE MAYOR ABOUT THE BACK ROAD, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE GOT THE LEVEE BEING BUILT AND ALL THAT.
BUT OVER YEARS THAT BACK ROAD, IT JUST TORE UP TO BEAT HECK.
IT LOOKS EMBARRASSED WHEN WE GET OUT OF TOWN PEOPLE COMING TO PLAY BASEBALL, SOCCER AND THAT, AND LOOKING AT THAT ROAD, DRIVING DOWN IT, I GOT A PICKUP TRUCK THAT COULD HANDLE IT, BUT THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT HAS CARS THAT'S HARD ON THEIR FRONT END AND STUFF.
I MAKE DECENT MONEY WHERE I COULD AFFORD IT.
THERE'S PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD IT.
THEN YOU TAKE THESE, I DON'T MIND MAL ART, BUT I GUARANTEE I CAN GET RID OF THIS GRAFFITI AND STUFF ON THESE BUILDINGS, AND THAT BY EASY, IF THE CITY WOULD PASS IN THIS TOWN TO GET THE JUVENILES OUT HERE, AND THE GUYS THAT ARE SITTING IN JAIL, CLEANING UP THE WALLS, I GUARANTEE WITHIN SIX MONTHS WORD OF MOUTH TO GET OUT WHERE THEY SAY, HEY, WE DON'T WANT TO RIDE ON THESE WALLS BECAUSE THEY'RE MAKING US CLEAN THEM UP.
I JUST WANT TO SEE THIS CITY LOOK NICE AND BETTER.
>> HE ALLUDED TO IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT DICK DOWNING ROAD IS IN BAD SHAPE.
BUT WE INTENTIONALLY ARE NOT REPAIRING THAT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THESE SIDE DUMPS THAT ARE GOING DOWN ALL DAY LONG, AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO STREET AND THEN TEAR IT UP WITH.
WE'LL DO IT AS SOON AS THAT GETS DONE.
>> THEY SAY THEY'LL DO IT LIKE IN TWIN CITY WHEN THEY WERE DOING DEVELOPMENT, DOING STUFF? WHEN DO THEY PLAN, THEY HAVE A RECORD WHEN THEY SAY WHEN THINGS, THE DEVELOPMENT OF STUFF ARE GOING TO GET DONE.
WHEN DID THEY EXPECT THAT LEVY TO GET DONE?
>> NO, I THINK IT'LL BE DONE THIS FALL.
>> THIS FALL. THEY'LL PROBABLY NEXT SPRING.
BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO POUR DURING THE WINTERTIME.
YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL SPRING OR FALL.
>> OKAY. I APPRECIATE YOU AND THANK.
>> NO, THANK YOU FOR COMING UP.
>> ANYBODY ELSE? ANYONE FROM THE COUNCIL?
>> WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY EARLIER ON A SIDE CONVERSATION, BUT IF YOU HAVE KIDS WITH ELECTRIC SCOOTERS, TELL THEM TO BE CAREFUL AND COGNIZANT OF CARS.
I'VE HAD LOTS OF PEOPLE REACH OUT TO ME AND WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT KIDS ON ELECTRIC SCOOTERS, NOT PAYING ATTENTION AND BURNING AROUND, AND JUST IF YOUR KIDS HAVE ONE, PLEASE, ASK THEM TO BE CAREFUL AND BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR OTHER PEOPLE ON THE ROAD.
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WE'RE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.