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ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE JUST TWO THINGS ON OUR STUDY SESSION. THE FIRST IS TO REVIEW THE AGENDA.
SO IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION ON 4E. BE MORE OF A PUBLIC WORKS QUESTION, I THINK, FOR MATT MAYBE, OR MARK. YOU KNOW THAT PROJECT THAT CARLY DID ON STATE ORCHARD, AND I REMEMBER SEEING IT AND PLANNING. WE STOPPED IT AT CEDAR LANE AND WE DIDN'T GO UP TO THE OTHER. I'LL CALL THE OTHER CEDAR LANE.
IS THAT CALLED CEDAR LANE AS WELL? WAS THERE ANY. IS THERE ANY PLAN TO FINISH THAT OR WOULD WE JUST. WE'RE JUST GOING TO HOLD OFF ON THAT COMPLETELY.
THERE ISN'T A PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
WE'RE STOPPING WHERE WE'RE AT FOR NOW. OKAY.
WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT THE CIP, THOUGH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, 5A.
THIS IS TO APPROVE THE ADDITIONAL CONCRETE CONSTRUCTION AT THE COUNCIL BUS RECYCLING CENTER. AS WE SPOKE LAST TIME, WE JUST HAVE BEEN PUTTING IT IN THE OPERATING BUDGET TO CONTINUE PAVING DOWN THERE SO WE CAN IMPROVE THE FACILITY, MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE USER FRIENDLY FOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT VISIT THERE AND JUST MAKE IT EASIER FOR US TO MAINTAIN LONG TERM.
WHITNEY, I BELIEVE THESE ARE YOURS.
AND THEY ARE ONE OR THE OTHER.
SO YOU DO NOT WANT TO DO BOTH. YOU WANT TO DO ONE OR THE OTHER. SO REALLY THE MAIN DISTINCTION, AND I KNOW THAT I PROVIDED A SORT OF LENGTHY COUNCIL COMMUNICATION TO OUTLINE THE CHANGES TO THE LAW. THE LEGISLATURE DECIDED THAT IT WANTED TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT IN THE STATE OF IOWA. SOME OF THOSE CHANGES WERE WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THEM.
THE CIVIL RIGHTS COMMISSION IS ASKING THAT YOU NOT IMPLEMENT.
AND SO THE BIG DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE ORDINANCE IS TAKING OUT THE WORD GENDER IDENTITY.
GENDER IDENTITY HAS BEEN A PROTECTED CLASS IN THE COUNCIL BLUFF'S MUNICIPAL CODE SINCE 2008, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY ALLOWED BECAUSE THE CIVIL RIGHTS STATE LEVEL LAW HAD BEEN A FLOOR AND NOT A CEILING. AND THIS YEAR THEY DECIDED TO CHANGE THAT AND MAKE IT A CEILING SO THAT NO CITY OR MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT COULD OFFER ADDITIONAL CLASSES OF PROTECTION OTHER THAN THOSE ALLOWED BY STATE LAW. AND SO THEY PASSED A LAW, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN MARCH. THE DATE IS IN YOUR INFORMATION, BASICALLY SAYING THAT WE COULDN'T ENACT ANY FURTHER LEGISLATION, SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE ANY OTHER PROVISIONS GOING FORWARD. AND THEN THEY CHANGED IT THE LAST SESSION TO SAY ENACT OR ENFORCE. SO WE HAD ALREADY MET AS A CIVIL RIGHTS COMMISSION PRIOR TO THAT TIME AND THE CIVIL RIGHTS COMMISSIONERS, GIVEN HOW LONG IT HAS BEEN PART OF OUR ORDINANCE AND IN HOPES THAT THE SPIRIT OF THE LEGISLATURE WOULD CHANGE GOING FORWARD IN A DESIRE TO PROTECT AS MANY CITIZENS AS POSSIBLE VIA PROTECTED CLASSES WISH TO KEEP GENDER IDENTITY IN. SO I AM IN A POSITION AS THE DIRECTOR OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS COMMISSION TO SAY THAT IT IS THEIR WISH THAT YOU CONTINUE TO HAVE GENDER IDENTITY IN THE ORDINANCE. HOWEVER, AS AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, I THINK THAT THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO CREATE CONFUSION BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ENFORCE THAT. AND SO OUR ORDINANCE WOULD THEN BE DOING SOMETHING THAT LAWFULLY IT WOULD SAY THAT WE'RE PROTECTING GENDER IDENTITY EVEN THOUGH WE COULD NOT ENFORCE IT. SO IT'S STILL TRICKY BECAUSE USUALLY WHEN THEY SAY THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE SOMETHING, THEY SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO REMOVE IT FROM THE LAW.
RIGHT. AND THEY DIDN'T DO THAT.
SO WE CAN LEAVE IT THERE AS A DORMANT, UNENFORCEABLE PROVISION.
BUT AGAIN, TYPICALLY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT BECAUSE IT CREATES CONFUSION AND IT IS KEEPING OUR ORDINANCE IN A MANNER THAT IS NOT ACTUALLY ENFORCEABLE.
BUT I SAID I WOULD PASS ON THE WISHES OF THE COMMISSION. I UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ARE COMING FROM. THEY'RE HOPING IF THE LAW THEN CHANGED AGAIN AND THEY MADE IT A FLOOR INSTEAD OF A CEILING, THAT THAT WOULD GO RIGHT BACK INTO EFFECT WITHOUT THE NEED FOR FURTHER PASSING OF ORDINANCES. AND THAT WAS THEIR WISHES. SO OBVIOUSLY MORE SECTIONS NEED TO BE CHANGED IF WE'RE TAKING OUT GENDER IDENTITY. AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S SIGNIFICANTLY MORE SECTIONS TO AMEND IN THE SECOND VERSION. ANY QUESTIONS? SOME OTHER CHANGES ARE UNIVERSAL. THEY DECIDED
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THAT INSTEAD OF THREE YEAR TERMS, THEY CAN ONLY SERVE TWO YEAR TERMS ON THE COMMISSION AND THEN SOME ADDITIONAL CLEANUP WORK, THAT IF WE HAD SOMETHING OPEN FOR MORE THAN 12 MONTHS, WHICH WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE TO TELL THEM THAT EITHER PARTY HAS THE RIGHT TO THEN GO TO THE STATE COMMISSION.HONESTLY, IN MY EXPERIENCE, OURS ARE CLOSED MUCH QUICKER THAN THE STATE COMMISSION'S.
AFTER THE LAW PASSED, THEY SENT TO EVERY LOCAL CIVIL RIGHTS COMMISSION, THEY SENT A LETTER SAYING, PLEASE TURN OVER ANY CASES YOU HAVE THAT ARE MORE THAN 12 MONTHS OLD. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY.
SO WE JUST WROTE BACK AND SAID WE DON'T HAVE ANY. AND IN MEETING WITH OTHER COMMISSIONERS IN THE STATE, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY EITHER.
SO IF WE CAN'T FORCE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO REMOVE IT, AS YOU'RE SITTING RIGHT HERE.
I THINK THAT. I MEAN, BECAUSE WE, WE TAKE DIRECTION FROM.
YOU WANT TO CREATE AMBIGUITY OR TO ADVISE OUR CITIZENS THAT PROTECTIONS EXIST THAT DO NOT EXIST. THAT DO NOT EXIST, EVEN THOUGH ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ARE COMING FROM, AND AS THE DIRECTOR OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS COMMISSION, ALSO WISH TO HAVE IT IN PLACE IN THE EVENT THAT THE LAW WOULD CHANGE SO THAT NO FURTHER ACTION IS REQUIRED. FROM A CITY ATTORNEY'S PERSPECTIVE, THAT IS. IT IS PROBLEMATIC.
WELL, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, TOO. I GUESS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MIGHT NOT EVER CHANGE AGAIN. SO WE CAN'T JUST WISH AND HOPE IT CHANGES.
DO WE HAVE ANY LIABILITY IN THE EVENT WE WERE TO LEAVE IT IN THERE? NO, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED TO REMOVE IT. WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO EVERY TIME THE STATE LAW CHANGES. WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO UPDATE OUR LAW.
IT'S JUST THAT WE WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO ENFORCE IT.
I GUESS THE WAY I SEE IT IS, JOE, IF SOMEBODY READS SOMETHING IN OUR CODE, THEY THINK IT'S ENFORCEABLE.
IF I READ IT, I'D BE LIKE, OH, IT SAYS RIGHT HERE.
YEAH, RIGHT. IF IT DOESN'T SAY THAT, AND IF IT SAYS THAT, WHY IS IT NOT CORRECT? THAT'S. THAT'S THE ONLY. I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE COMMISSION'S COMING FROM.
IF YOU READ IT, YOU'RE GONNA BE LIKE, OH, THIS COUNTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FILE CLAIMS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEEK JUSTICE, AND WE ARE NOT ABLE TO ENFORCE IT. SO EVEN IF YOU WERE A MEMBER OF THAT PROTECTED CLASS, WE WOULD BE GIVING YOU, I THINK, FALSE HOPE.
I COULD SEE HOW THAT WOULD CAUSE A. WELL, I WOULD THINK THAT IN OF ITSELF WOULD ALSO OPEN US UP SOME SORT OF POSSIBLE ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD THINK THERE'D BE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE LIKE. YOU SAID.
I'D RATHER HAVE IT BE TRUE RIGHT.
IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THERE'S A NUMBER OF ORDINANCES THAT HAVE BEEN OVERRIDDEN BY STATE LAW THAT WE HAVE NOT UPDATED AND REMOVED IMMEDIATELY.
I THOUGHT WE WERE WORKING ON THAT.
BUT IF THERE. IF THAT WERE TO HAVE HAPPENED, IT WOULD JUST MEAN STATE LAW WOULD TRUMP.
RIGHT. BUT IF WE KNOW THAT IT'S THERE, WE KNOW IT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE, IT SEEMS LIKE BEST COURSE OF ACTION WOULD BE WE REMOVE IT AND TAKE THAT OFF THE TABLE. SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
DON'T GIVE SOMEBODY FALSE HOPE IN THE EVENT STATE LAW WERE TO CHANGE. IT'S NOT LIKE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE COULD PUT BACK THEN. CORRECT.
IF IT GETS ADDED BACK IN, WE CAN ALWAYS ADD IT BACK IN.
I WAS GONNA GLOSS RIGHT OVER THAT, BUT.
WELL, I MEAN, I SPELLED IT OUT PRETTY CLEAR.
AGAIN, IF WE CAN'T ENFORCE IT, IT SEEMS RIDICULOUS TO GIVE.
SOMEBODY WOULD READ IT AND COME TO US, ESPECIALLY US OR THE COMMISSION, AND BE LIKE, THIS IS. IT SAYS IT RIGHT HERE.
AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE SOMEBODY FALSE HOPE.
DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE WHETHER THEY DENY THE OTHER ONE OR JUST TAKE NO ACTION ON IT? I DON'T.
MY ONLY OTHER ONE IS 8C, WHICH IS A RESOLUTION. DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT OR CAN I JUST SAY GO TO 8C? YOU CAN JUST. YEAH. IT'S JUST.
WE NEED AN ADA TRANSITION PLAN FOR FACILITIES IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THAT IS REQUIRED BY OUR AGREEMENT WITH IDOT AND FEDERAL LAW. AND SO MATT COX WORKED HARD TO GET THAT IN PLACE. AND AS THE ADA COORDINATOR, I HAVE SIGNED OFF ON IT. SO IF YOU GUYS ARE HAPPY WITH IT, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU GUYS APPROVE THAT.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE JUST BECAME AWARE OF? IS THAT IT? OR HAVE WE KNOWN ABOUT IT? WE'RE JUST NOW GETTING TO.
WE HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, CURB CUTTING AND COMPLYING AS WE DO STREET PROJECTS. WE ARE MAKING THEM MORE ACCESSIBLE. I CAN SAY THAT I BECAME THE ADA COORDINATOR IN DECEMBER, AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT SINCE THAT TIME.
MATT'S BEEN WORKING ON IT LONGER THAN THAT.
THANK YOU, WHITNEY. 7A ORDINANCE ON THE SECOND. THIS IS JAKE'S IMAGINE.
WE HAVE ANSWERED ALL QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. SO ANY QUESTIONS
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ABOUT THE TNR THING, WE'RE HERE.ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR DICK? I. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY WAVE THIRD BECAUSE OF ALL THE DISCUSSION. IF SOMEBODY FINALLY SEES IT AND WANTS TO COME ON THE THIRD.
YEAH, WE. WE WAVE THIRD, BUT IT'S USUALLY ALWAYS. IT'S BEEN CONTINUOUS.
IF SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP, I WANT SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO COME TALK ABOUT IF THEY WANT.
WHILE I'M UP HERE, I CAN ALSO DO 8H, WHICH. WHICH IS THE CBA WITH THE CWA.
IT'S THE 2.5% INCREASE FOR THE FIRST YEAR AND REOPENED FOR THE SECOND YEAR, LIKE WE DISCUSSED, ALONG WITH THE ADDITION OF SOME PERMISSIVE SUBJECTS.
AND IT'S BEEN RATIFIED BY THE UNION. SO JUST WAITING ON OUR END.
ALL RIGHT, FANTASTIC. ALL RIGHT, 8A AND 8B.
SORRY, 8A. I WOULD, IN MY OPINION, FIRE UNIONS NOT DONE. THEY'RE GOING INTO ARBITRATION. I THINK WE SHOULD EITHER JUST LET THAT DIE OR TABLE IT UNTIL THEY'RE DONE WITH THEIR NEGOTIATIONS.
MICHELLE, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? DOES THAT MAKE MORE SENSE TO.
I REALLY DON'T HAVE AN OPINION.
IF YOU GUYS WANTED TO WAIT, ESPECIALLY DEPENDING ON HOW YOU'RE GOING TO HANDLE POLICE SUPERVISORY, IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD, THEN THE BEST CASE SCENARIO WOULD BE TO WAIT.
YOU CAN PROBABLY JUST STOP HERE, MICHELLE.
YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT IN THE FRONT ROW FOR THIS ONE, MICHELLE. WHAT'S OUR TIMELINE ON THAT? WHEN'S THE ARBITRATION? YEAH, SO THE ARBITRATOR REACHED OUT TO US TODAY. ONCE WE GET THEM THE INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING, THEY WILL SCHEDULE A TIME.
WHATEVER WE. WHATEVER WE DO, WHENEVER WE DO, IT WOULD THEN BE ENFORCED RETROACTIVELY, RIGHT? CORRECT.
YOU WANTED TO. IT WOULD BE UP TO THE COUNCIL.
IT. THEY WOULD GET. IT WOULD STAY THE SAME UNTIL WE DO SOMETHING.
WHATEVER THEY'RE GETTING PAID TODAY WOULD BE THE SAME UNTIL THEY GET A NEW ONE.
DO WE. NEVER MIND. WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA OF THE KIND OF TIMELINE FOR THAT, DO WE? NO.
AND JAKE AND I BELIEVE THAT ONCE IT STARTS, IT SHOULD PROBABLY ONLY BE A DAY, AN ACTUAL MEETING TIME, JUST BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE THE ONE ITEM OPEN. BUT AT THIS TIME, WE DO NOT KNOW.
SO IS IT SOMETHING THAT POSSIBLY WE COULD HAVE A RESOLUTION TO MAYBE A MONTH FROM NOW TYPE OF THING OR WE THINK. IS IT SOMETHING THAT.
LIKE, THEY USUALLY SCHEDULE THESE THINGS SIX MONTHS OUT, GUYS. WELL, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT THEN. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? RIGHT.
OKAY. YOU MIGHT WANT TO LEAVE THESE GUYS HANGING FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, BUT IF WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE FINISH LINE, I GUESS YOU SAID WE'D HAVE A DATE HEREBY IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO.
I WOULD HOPE WE WOULD HAVE A DATE ONCE THEY RECEIVE OUR INFORMATION AND THE INFORMATION FROM THE FIRE UNION THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED.
SO THEN IF WE GO DOWN THIS PATH, WOULD WE BE.
WOULD WE BE OKAY TO SAY MAYBE BY NEXT COUNCIL MEETING WE AT LEAST HAVE A DATE TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING? I. I WOULD THINK SO.
THIS IS OUR, I GUESS YOU'D SAY OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR MANAGEMENT FOLKS. I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THEM IN THE LURCH IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
BUT I ALSO, I KIND OF SEE WHAT STEVE'S SAYING IN THAT. IF WE DO X FOR, YOU KNOW, ONE, THEN WE WANT TO TAKE THAT. BECAUSE THE BIG CONVERSATION I'VE HAD BOTH WITH FOLKS IN THE FIRESIDE AND THE POLICE SIDE IS THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE A 10% DISCREPANCY, GIVE OR TAKE. AND IF THEY GET X, Y AND Z IT FROM THE JUDGE THEN. AND WE ALREADY MADE A DECISION.
WELL, THAT COULD REALLY AFFECT THAT, I GUESS.
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I DID HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATION. I'VE TALKED WITH DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF THE FROM CBPD. I SPOKE WITH THE POLICE CHIEF TODAY AT LENGTH ON A COUPLE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT. I HAD ASKED IF I COULD HAVE HIM KIND OF COME UP AND DISCUSS. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED IS OUR CURRENT OVERTIME SITUATION WITH SOME OF OUR, OUR, THE MANAGEMENT TEAM FOLKS AT, AT THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO CHIEF, WOULD YOU BE AMICABLE TO SPEAKING ON SOME OF THAT? WE SPOKE ON TODAY. DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO GET THE EXCEL THING PUT TOGETHER OR.NO, I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNT BREAKDOWN ACROSS RANK.
I KNOW IT WAS LIKE THREE HOURS AGO.
SO YEAH, I CAN GIVE A GENERAL DISCUSSION OF TRENDS AND WHAT'S DRIVING, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME AND WHAT IMPACTS IT. I CAN CERTAINLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT AND IF YOU'D KIND OF MAYBE GO INTO THIS FOR EVERYONE WITH REFERENCE TO OUR CURRENT OVERTIME SITUATION AND KIND OF HOW THAT THAT THAT WORKS OUT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE PAST ABOUT PEOPLE GETTING OVERTIME AND MAYBE THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ABOUT WHO WAS ELIGIBLE TO GET OVERTIME AND WHO WASN'T SURE.
JUST KIND OF AT THE 30,000 FOOT LEVEL. YOU KNOW, OVERTIME IT IS A SEPARATE ISSUE FROM COLAS AND PAY RAISES. BUT IT ALL ULTIMATELY TIES TOGETHER BECAUSE IT AFFECTS BOTTOM LINE THAT IF YOU, IF YOU GIVE A RAISE, IT MULTIPLIES OUT ACROSS SALARIES AND THEN THAT'S MULTIPLIED OUT OVER TIME. SO IT DOES ULTIMATELY AFFECT THE BOTTOM LINE. JUST TO SAY IT IS A DISTINGUISHABLE ISSUE FROM, YOU KNOW, THE SUBJECT OF THE RESOLUTION. BUT I UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'RE ALL TIED TOGETHER. SO TO DISCUSS OVERTIME ACROSS THE RANK STRUCTURES, I DO NOT MAKE OVERTIME AS THE CHIEF OF POLICE. THE CAPTAINS DO NOT MAKE OVERTIME IN THEIR CAPACITY. OUR SUPERVISORS WHO ARE IN OVERTIME ARE OUR SERGEANTS AND OUR LIEUTENANTS AND OUR SERGEANTS AND LIEUTENANTS ARE LINE LEVEL SUPERVISORS. MEANING THAT THEY CAN BE OUT IN THE FIELD.
THAT'S WHERE WE WANT THEM MOST OF THE TIME, IS OUT IN THE FIELD SUPERVISING. THEY ARE IN THE OFFICE. IT'S A MIXED BAG OF DUTIES FROM BEING, YOU KNOW, AT THE STATION, IN THE OFFICE TO BEING OUT IN THE FIELD. SUPERVISING LIEUTENANTS AND SERGEANTS DO MAKE OVERTIME. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT DRIVE SUPERVISORY OVERTIME IS MAKING SURE THAT AN ADEQUATE NUMBER OF SUPERVISORS ARE AVAILABLE TO SUPERVISE. ALTHOUGH I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DOLLARS FOR YOU. THE BULK OF SUPERVISORY OVERTIME IS SPENT IN THE UNIFORM DIVISION.
THAT'S WHERE POLICE SERVICES ARE DELIVERED 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK TO THE CITIZENS OF COUNCIL BLUFFS. IN AN IDEAL, FULLY STAFFED SCENARIO, YOU WOULD HAVE A LIEUTENANT AND TWO SERGEANTS WORKING AND ABOUT 10 OFFICERS COVERING ALL OF THE PATROL DISTRICTS IN THE CITY. THAT'S UNDER IDEAL CIRCUMSTANCES, WHAT INEVITABLY HAPPENS.
THERE'S VACATION, THERE'S INJURIES, THERE'S SICK TIME.
SO AT TIMES WE DON'T WANT TO FALL BELOW TWO SUPERVISORS OUT ON THE FIELD. SO THAT WOULD BE IF A LIEUTENANT CALLS IN SICK ON B SHIFT OR C SHIFT. YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE HAVE TWO SERGEANTS WORKING, AND WE'RE GOOD WITH TWO SERGEANTS FOR THE SHIFT. LET'S SAY A SERGEANT CALLS IN SICK AND A LIEUTENANT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A LIEUTENANT IS HIRED BACK AND WE HAVE A SERGEANT WORKING. SO THOSE ARE THE DYNAMICS THAT DRIVE, YOU KNOW, WHEN OVERTIME IS AVAILABLE AND WHEN SUPERVISORS CAN BE HIRED BACK. AND THE BULK OF THAT OVERTIME IS. IS SHIFT HIRE BACK OVER TIME AND SPECIAL PROJECT OVER TIME WHERE SERGEANTS AND LIEUTENANTS ARE SERVING IN THAT CAPACITY. AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE DOLLARS ARE IN THE UNIFORM DIVISION. SO WHEN YOU SEE THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS ATTACHED TO SUPERVISORY OVERTIME. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SUPERVISORY PAY INCREASES HERE.
IF YOU GIVE, YOU KNOW, A X PERCENTAGE RAISE ACROSS THOSE. THOSE RANKS, THAT'S GOING TO BE THEN MULTIPLIED TO TIME AND A HALF ACROSS THE RANKS OF SERGEANT AND LIEUTENANT.
SO THAT'S DOUBLE TIME IF THEY'RE FORCED. RIGHT.
IT IS ONLY TIME AND A HALF FOR OUR SUPER.
DOUBLE TIME FOR OFFICERS ON THE STREET.
SO THAT IS A DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, IN THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT, BUT IT IS JUST AT TIME AND A HALF. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS, THE BULK OF THINGS THAT DRIVE OVERTIME.
NOW, IS THERE OVERTIME IN THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIVE DIVISION WHEN CASES GO OVER? YES. IS THERE OVERTIME IN PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS IF THE IA LIEUTENANT HAS TO GO OUT AND COVER SOMETHING OR TRAINING? YES.
THERE'S DOLLARS THERE. IT'S THE CHANGE IN THE COUCH CUSHIONS.
THE REAL BULK OF DOLLARS IS SPENT IN THE UNIFORM DIVISION COVERING SHIFTS.
SO IN ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS OUT EARLIER TODAY.
IN THE PAST, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME COMMENTS MADE AROUND MAYBE THOSE GUYS BEING BEHIND A DESK NOT BEING OUT IN THE FIELD. RIGHT. AND THE REALITY OF IT, AS YOU'VE JUST KIND
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OF EXPLAINED, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT FIRST.THOSE GUYS ARE OUT ON THE STREET WITH EVERYONE ELSE, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. THE SERGEANT IS YOUR LINE LEVEL SUPERVISOR OUT IN THE FIELD. AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE EVER ATTENDED A PROMOTIONAL CEREMONY AT THE CBPD WHERE I ADDRESS RANK STRUCTURES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, THE MOST IMPORTANT RANK IN A POLICE DEPARTMENT, IN MY OPINION, AND I SAY THIS IS THE CHIEF.
I'D LIKE TO THINK I'M THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON, BUT I'M NOT. YOUR MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE ARE YOUR SERGEANTS. THEY PROVIDE LINE LEVEL SUPERVISION. THEY MAKE SURE MORALE, OPERATIONS, YOU KNOW, YOUR ORGANIZATION LIVES AND DIES ON YOUR SERGEANTS. AND A GOOD SERGEANT IS OUT IN THE FIELD SUPERVISING THEIR OFFICERS, BEING AMONG THEIR OFFICERS, BEING ABLE TO ENCOURAGE GOOD BEHAVIORS, BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, DISCOURAGE BAD BEHAVIORS.
ANOTHER DYNAMIC THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE'VE BECOME A YOUNG DEPARTMENT FAIRLY QUICKLY. WE SAW RETIREMENT BOOM OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST FEW YEARS. WE'VE BEEN HIRING VERY AGGRESSIVELY.
SEVERAL YEARS AGO YOU NEEDED, WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, YOU NEEDED 22 YEARS TO BE ON THE DAY SHIFT. NOW YOU NEED ABOUT NINE YEARS TO BE ON DAY SHIFT. AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE YOUNG OFFICERS.
NOW WE'RE YOUNGER ON B SHIFT AND WE'RE YOUNGER ON C SHIFT. YOUNGER OFFICERS ARE GREAT, BUT THEY REQUIRE A LOT OF SUPERVISION.
SO THOSE SERGEANTS ARE OUT IN THE FIELD.
TO HAVE TWO SUPERVISORS IN A CITY LIKE COUNCIL BLUFFS AT ALL TIMES IS OPTIMAL. WE CAN HAVE BIG INCIDENTS KICK OFF, YOU KNOW, ON OPPOSITE SIDES OF THE TOWN. AND THE ABILITY TO HAVE OUR SUPERVISORS OUT IN THE FIELD PROVIDING LINE LEVEL GUIDANCE IS CRITICAL. NOW CAN SOME LIEUTENANTS HAVE TO FILL IN AS A SERGEANT? SOMETIMES? YES. AND IS THAT MORE EXPENSIVE? YES.
SO AT TIMES YOU WILL SEE SOME OF OUR OVERTIME DOLLARS.
IF YOU LOOK AT OUR HIGH EARNERS, A LIEUTENANT WITH A LOT OF SENIORITY WHO MIGHT HAVE TO FILL IN IS GOING TO JUMP OFF THE PAGE AT YOU. THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE, A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE.
WE'LL JUST SAY THAT STRUCTURE THERE. SO THOSE SERGEANTS THEN ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING BELOW THEM. CORRECT.
AT THE SAME TIME. SO IF THEY'VE GOT SOMEBODY CREATING AN ISSUE OR WHATEVER, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THEY'RE IN TROUBLE AS WELL. OR THEY PAY. THEY HAVE AN ISSUE AS WELL.
WE HAVE ADMINISTERED, NOT TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICS, BUT WE HAVE ADMINISTERED DISCIPLINE FOR FAILURE TO SUPERVISE. SO IT'S AN EXTRA RESPONSIBILITY ON THOSE LINE LEVEL SUPERVISORS TO BE PRESENT, TO BE ENGAGED, TO BE OUT IN THE FIELD. THAT'S WHAT WE EXPECT OF THEM.
THAT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, I THINK, FROM MY OLD WORKING WORLD WHERE SOMEBODY BELOW YOU HAD MORE OF AN ISSUE. YEAH. THE SUPERVISOR MAY PAY A LITTLE BIT OF A CONSEQUENCE OF IT, BUT NOT TO THE EXTENT THAT MAYBE IT DOES ON THE POLICE SIDE, IS WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE TO ME. IS THAT FAIR? THERE ARE DECISIONS THAT WILL BE RELIED ON IN THE MOMENT THAT SERGEANTS HAVE TO MAKE WHETHER TO TERMINATE A PURSUIT COMING INTO OUR CITY. THERE'S OPERATIONAL AND USE OF FORCE DECISIONS THAT RESIDE WITH SUPERVISORS, THAT OFFICERS WILL LOOK TO SUPERVISORS AND SHIFT COMMANDERS FOR TO MAKE DECISIONS. AND THOSE ARE DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE. AS SOON AS THE BALL HITS THE GLOVE, THE BALL OR STRIKE HAS TO BE CALLED. THEY DON'T HAVE THE TIME OR THE LUXURY TO, YOU KNOW, REFLECT OR, YOU KNOW, HAVE, YOU KNOW, A WEEK OR 15 DAYS TO REFLECT. SO THOSE ARE THE DEMANDS OF A LINE LEVEL POLICE SUPERVISOR.
THERE'S NO REPLAY OR CHALLENGE, RIGHT? NO.
WE ALSO TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO TALK MORE IN COUNCIL ABOUT ON THAT, WHICH I TOLD YOU TODAY. DO WE NEED. WE ADDED A. WE ADDED A SERGEANT WHAT WAS A YEAR AGO, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IS THERE A NEED AT THIS TIME TO. BECAUSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE YOUNGER FORCE WE HAVE AND THE.
IN ALL OF THE OVERTIME THAT WE'RE KIND OF HAVING. IS THIS SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF, YOU THINK, MAYBE PUSH THROUGH IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO, OR IS IT SOMETHING WHERE MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK TO CREATE ANOTHER POSITION? WE'VE HAD INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS. I MEAN, ONE QUESTION THAT CAN BUBBLE UP SAYING, WELL, IF YOU'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME, MONEY ON SUPERVISORY OVERTIME, DO YOU HAVE A SHORTAGE OF SUPERVISORS? SHOULD YOU HAVE MORE SUPERVISORS? THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION. WE'VE REFLECTED ON THAT CONSIDERABLY AND THE JURY IS STILL OUT WITH ME ON THAT ONE. COUNCIL DID GIVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AN EXTRA SERGEANT POSITION ABOUT 18 MONTHS AGO, AND IT WAS, IT WAS AWARDED TO US BECAUSE WE WERE FINALLY GETTING CLOSE TO OUR FULL ONBOARD PREVIOUSLY WHEN COUNCIL GAVE US 121 AS OUR MAX HEADCOUNT, AND THEN YOU GAVE US THAT 4 FLEX HEADCOUNT SO THAT WE COULD STAY CLOSE TO 121. WE ASKED FOR AN EXTRA SERGEANT AROUND THAT TIME AND COUNCIL GAVE IT TO US BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING MORE PEOPLE AND WE NEEDED THAT SPAN OF CONTROL. JUST TO TELL YOU WHERE THAT SERGEANT WENT, WE PROMOTED OFF THE CIVIL SERVICE LIST AND THAT SERGEANT WAS IN OUR HOP UNIT AT THE TIME AND HE WAS DOING A GREAT JOB GETTING HOP
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TO WHAT I CALL KIND OF THAT COMFORTABLE CRUISING ALTITUDE.SO WE WERE A LITTLE HEAVY SUPERVISORS IN THAT PART OF THE DEPARTMENT. WE'VE RECENTLY RESTRUCTURED, AND WE'RE PUTTING ANOTHER SERGEANT POSITION BACK IN THE UNIFORM DIVISION. SO I SAY THAT TO SAY WE. IT'S A FAIR QUESTION TO SAY, DO WE NEED MORE SUPERVISORS TO ALLEVIATE THE OVERTIME? I'D GLADLY TAKE ONE IF YOU'D GIVE ONE TO ME AND MY UNIFORM DIVISION CAPTAIN IN FULL TRANSPARENCY HAS ASKED FOR THAT, AND WE'RE CONSIDERING THAT.
BUT I DO THINK BY REASSIGNING THAT SERGEANT TO UNIFORM DIVISION, WE CAN BALANCE SOME OF THOSE OUT, SOME OF THAT OUT, AND PERHAPS SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A REDUCTION. AND I WILL SAY THIS. IF THERE'S ONE RANK THAT IT DOES, BECAUSE USUALLY THE NUMBER OF SUPERVISORS ARE DRIVEN BY A SPAN OF CONTROL. A CAPTAIN SHOULDN'T HAVE MORE THAN THIS MANY LIEUTENANTS. A SERGEANT. A LIEUTENANT SHOULDN'T HAVE THIS MANY SERGEANTS. WE'RE GOOD AT CAPTAIN AND LIEUTENANT. IF THERE IS A RANK WHERE I COULD ABIDE AND WE COULD TAKE ANOTHER OFFICER, I DO THINK IT COULD BE AT SERGEANT. SO THAT'S A LONG ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. I THINK WE COULD TAKE ANOTHER ONE. I HAVEN'T MADE A FORMAL ASK AT THIS TIME BECAUSE OF THE REASONS THAT I DESCRIBED, BUT WE'RE WATCHING OVERTIME VERY CLOSELY. ONE THING THAT I CAN TELL THE COUNCIL ABOUT THE DOLLARS THAT YOU SEE ON OVERTIME. SHORTLY AFTER I GOT HERE, I MADE A REQUEST AND COUNCIL GAVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OUR MANAGEMENT SYSTEM SPECIALIST, A DATA PERSON, TO HELP US. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH MICHELLE ON OVER THE COURSE OF ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, SINCE OCTOBER 24TH, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO CREATE VERY PRECISE OVERTIME REPORTS WHERE WE CAN SEE THE TYPE OF OVERTIME BEING SPENT ON WHICH MISSIONS, BY WHOM.
CANDIDLY, OUR PAYROLL AND TIMEKEEPING SYSTEM WASN'T DESIGNED TO DO THAT. WE DIDN'T CONFIGURE IT FOR A VERY PRECISE EXPENSE RADAR. WE'VE BEEN SLOWLY REFINING THAT OVER THE COURSE OF THE. YOU KNOW, BASICALLY SINCE OCTOBER OF 24. AND WITH DATA THAT MICHELLE'S SHOP IS GIVING TO MORGAN NOW, WITH THE BEGINNING OF A NEW FISCAL YEAR AND THE ADDITION OF MORE OVERTIME CODES AND A BETTER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, WE WILL BE ABLE TO WATCH OVERTIME MORE GRANULARLY.
GRANULARLY. SO THAT IF WE DO HAVE THAT ASK OR THAT NEED, I WON'T HESITATE TO PRESENT THAT TO COUNCIL AND COME BACK AND PERHAPS TALK ABOUT ANOTHER SERGEANT.
SO YOU HAVE THREE CAPTAINS, SEVEN LIEUTENANTS, 16 SERGEANTS TODAY.
I'D HAVE TO TAKE MY SHOES OFF.
YEAH. SO. AND THEN THE INFORMATION THAT WE WERE GIVEN FROM MICHELLE. RIGHT. SO I, I PERSONALLY THINK IS, IT'S, I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH A NUMBER OF PEOPLE, BUT IT'S, THERE'S DEPENDING ON HOW YOU LOOK AT THE INFORMATION. RIGHT. YOU CAN COME UP WITH A MILLION DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND WHAT THE BEST DECISION IS, YOU KNOW. YOU THINK. I THINK MICHELLE'S EMAIL SAID 30% OR 20% OF THE OVERTIME IS CONSUMED BY 30% OF THE PEOPLE. OR BACKWARDS 30% OF THE OVERTIME IS CONSUMED BY 20% OF THE LEADERSHIP STAFF, WHICH IS SERGEANTS, LIEUTENANTS. THERE'S, I MEAN THE NUMBERS WE GAVE IS CLOSE TO A MILLION DOLLARS IN OVERTIME LAST FISCAL YEAR.
BUT THAT WOULD INCLUDE EVERYBODY.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT JUST SUPERVISOR, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ACROSS THE BOARD. SO I, YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK ABOUT LESS THAN 10% OF THE WHOLE BUDGET, WHEN I THINK ABOUT OVERTIME, I MEAN, A MILLION DOLLARS IS A LOT OF MONEY.
AND IT IS LESS THAN 10%. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT DO YOU THINK WE NEED MORE OFFICERS IN GENERAL? I KNOW THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT THIS RESOLUTION IS ABOUT, BUT JUST BECAUSE THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, IN TALKING WITH MULTIPLE OF YOUR, OF YOUR STAFF, THERE'S A LOT OF FORCED OVERTIME. I MEAN A LOT OF GUYS GETTING FORCED AND SO FORCED IS DOUBLE TIME ON THE NON SUPERVISORY, RIGHT? YEP.
SO FORCE SUPERVISOR IS JUST TIME AND A HALF.
WELL, AND DO YOU WANT TO BE WEARING, DO WE WANT TO BE WEARING OUR GUYS THIN? YEAH.
AND I THINK, I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE OVERTIME OUT OF THE DISCUSSION, HONESTLY.
ONLY BECAUSE JUST I'M ASKING THE QUESTION ABOUT OVERTIME WITH MORE OFFICERS.
BUT IF YOU TAKE IT OUT OF THE DISCUSSION. BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO WORK MORE OVERTIME.
WHETHER YOU'RE SINGLE OR YOU HAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE A FAMILY YET OR YOU WANT TO WORK OVERTIME OR YOU'RE SPOUSE WORKS NIGHTS AND YOU WANT TO PICK UP A SHIFT ON THE NIGHT SHIFT OR WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.
THERE'S A MILLION REASONS TO EITHER WORK OVERTIME OR APPLY FOR A PROMOTION TO BE A SERGEANT LIEUTENANT, WHETHER THAT'S MORE MONEY, THAT'S, YOU WANT TO WORK NIGHTS.
YOU'RE ON DAYS AS A SERGEANT, YOU WANT TO MOVE UP TO LIEUTENANT, YOU CAN GO TO KNIGHTS OR SAME THING, MOVING UP TO A CAPTAIN.
RIGHT. THERE'S, THERE'S A NUMBER OF REASONS WHY SOMEBODY WOULD TAKE THAT TEST OTHER THAN
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THE 10 OR 11 OR WHATEVER PERCENT GAP WE'RE AT. SO CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT JUST ONE DO YOU NEED MORE OFFICERS? TWO, YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SUPERVISORY OVERTIME. I THINK IT'S. OH GOD.WELL, THE, THE QUESTION ON WHETHER WE NEED MORE OFFICERS.
WE HAD A PROBLEM ABOUT A LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR AGO ABOUT FORCEBACKS AND THAT WAS BECAUSE WE HAD NOT YET STARTED TO ONBOARD A LOT OF OUR, OF OUR NEW OFFICERS. WE HAD A BIG HIRING BOOM IN 24 AND 25, BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU HIRE THEM, YOU DON'T SEE THE BENEFIT OF GETTING THEM ON BOARD IMMEDIATELY. IT'S ABOUT A SIX MONTH PROCESS TO GET THEM OPERATIONAL PLUS AND THEN A YEAR TILL THEY'RE OFF PROBATION. SO THE FORCE BACKS FOR OUR LINE LEVEL OFFICERS WERE A PROBLEM, BUT IT HAS GOTTEN BETTER NOW.
THE STATISTICS SAYING THAT WHETHER IT'S 20% OF OVERTIME IS AMONG 30% OF THE PEOPLE. IT DOES NOT SURPRISE ME OR IF I FLIPPED, DOES NOT SHOCK ME THAT AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF OVERTIME OR A DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF OVERTIME IS WORKED BY A SMALLER PERCENTAGE OF THE DEPARTMENT FROM THE SUPERVISORY STAFF.
IT'S BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE LIMITED POOL OF STAFF FROM THE OFFICERS. THERE ARE VARIABLES. SOME OF THE YOUNGER OFFICERS OR WHATEVER THE OFFICER'S LIFE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE, THEY JUST DON'T WANT THE OVERTIME. YOU HEAR KIND OF THE GENERATIONAL, ANECDOTAL EXPLANATION AND USUALLY I REJECT THOSE, BUT IT'S TRUE.
SO WHAT THAT RESULTS IN IS A LOT OF FORCES. AND YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN ARM WRESTLING MATCHES IN THE LOCKER ROOM ON WHO GETS TO WORK THE OVERTIME. NOW THERE'S, YOU KNOW, FORCE BACKS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO WORK IT.
SO THAT THAT DYNAMIC'S GOING ON WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED MORE OFFICERS. COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL GAVE US 121, I WANT TO SAY IN 2018, 2019. COUNCIL GAVE US THE FLEXIBILITY TO GO TO 125 ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO IF WE, YOU KNOW, KNEW THAT WE WERE GOING TO LOSE FOUR TO FIVE PEOPLE WITHIN FALL MEASURE WITH ALL OF OUR HIRING EFFORTS, WE HAVE NOT PUSHED THE NEEDLE TO 125 YET. SO EVEN IF I, EVEN IF I TOLD YOU, COUNCIL, I'D LOVE TO HAVE FIVE MORE OFFICERS BASED ON WHAT WE'VE LEARNED OVER THE LAST YEAR, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HIRE THEM. AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY WE'RE NOT HUSTLING, WE'RE HIRING PROBABLY JUST AS GOOD, IF NOT BETTER THAN ANYBODY IN THE GREATER OMAHA METRO.
BUT IF I WERE TO ASK RIGHT NOW FOR MORE OFFICERS, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO STAND HERE WITH A STRAIGHT FACE AND SAY I'D BE ABLE TO GET TO THAT NUMBER ANYTIME SOON.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NEED FOR OFFICERS, IT CAN GET DOWN. I MEAN, I'VE GIVEN MY DATA PERSON THE DATA TO PROVIDE OR TO CONDUCT STAFFING STUDIES.
WE CAN, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT WHAT WE WANT OUR OFFICERS RESPONSE TIMES TO BE, WHAT WE WANT THEIR OCCUPIED AND UNOCCUPIED TIME TO BE. YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF POLICE SERVICE IN THIS TOWN, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN DRIVE STAFFING AND THE GOALS THAT WE SET FOR OURSELVES. SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE YET. YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S A SATISFACTORY ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, I WOULDN'T FEEL LIKE I COULD PRESENT A SOLID BUSINESS CASE AT THIS POINT IN TIME SAYING I NEED X AMOUNT MORE OFFICERS TO ALLEVIATE FORCES OR TO EXECUTE ON SOME MISSION.
ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT IS A RESOLUTION TO ADD SRO TO LEWIS CENTRAL SCHOOL. WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN DO THAT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE STAFFED UP OUR SPECIALTY UNITS AND OUR UNIFORM DIVISION TO FINALLY BRANCH OUT INTO SOME OF THESE AREAS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE IN NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO I DO FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ON A GOOD TRAJECTORY WITH, WITH HIRING THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL. YOU WILL HEAR OFFICERS COMPLAIN OF FORCES AND I ATTRIBUTE A LOT OF THAT. IT'S GOTTEN BETTER, BUT I ATTRIBUTE A LOT OF THAT TO LIFESTYLE CHANGES. AND YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE, IF 20% OF YOUR DEPARTMENT DOESN'T WANT THE OVERTIME, IT'S GOING TO AGGREGATE IN THE OTHER GROUP OF THAT POPULATION, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND THEN ONE QUESTION I HAD, AND MAYBE THIS IS FOR MICHELLE, I'M NOT SURE THAT WHEN, LIKE SPECIAL EVENTS, WHETHER THAT'S SHAMROCK SHUFFLE OR BIKE NIGHT, IF THOSE ARE OVERTIME, IS THAT ALL REIMBURSED BY LIKE THE BIKE NIGHT FOLKS OR BY THE 712 INITIATIVE? IS THAT, IS IT, IS IT REIMBURSED AT FULL TIME? IS IT REIMBURSED AT DOUBLE TIME, WHICH IF WE'RE PAYING DOUBLE TIMER TIME AND A HALF, OR IS IT REIMBURSED AT NORMAL PAY FROM. OR IS IT REIMBURSED AT ALL? I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THAT AND THE ANSWER IS IT DEPENDS.
IT DEPENDS WHETHER THE EVENT IS A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY AND YOU KNOW, THE COMPENSATION RATE FOR THE OFFICERS WILL BE WORKED INTO THAT AND THE CITY WOULD BE REIMBURSED TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE HOURS AND THE OFFICERS, ACCORDING TO THOSE, TO THOSE HIGHER BACK CONTRACTS. A LOT OF THE EVENTS AROUND THE CITY WHERE YOU MIGHT SEE A UNIFORMED OFFICER THERE, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, A FOOTBALL GAME
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AT THE MOVIE THEATER, SOME OF THOSE ARE SECONDARY EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENTS WITH THE OFFICERS SO THE CITY HAS NO PART IN NEGOTIATING THAT COST. SO THE COST THAT THE CITY CONTROLS IS WHEN. AND THAT'S WHERE I WOULD DEFER TO, MICHELLE, IS WHERE WE ENTER INTO A CONTRACT FOR EXTRA SERVICES, WHETHER IT'S SHAMROCK SHUFFLE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. SOME EVENTS I CAN SAY WILL BE A MIX FOR LIKE EXAMPLE THE JULY 3RD EVENT THAT WE, THAT WE JUST HAD A VAST MAJORITY OF OUR POLICE RESOURCES THAT DAY WERE PART OF THE PACKAGE THAT WOULD BE COMPENSATED UNDER CONTRACT, BUT THERE WERE SOME THAT WEREN'T.SO IT DOES KIND OF DEPEND AND I DON'T KNOW.
IF WOULD YOU DECIDE HOW MANY YOU THINK ARE NEEDED OR WOULD THAT BE DECIDED BY THE CONTRACT? LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE IF THEY ASKED FOR FOUR ADDITIONAL OFFICERS TO BE ON THE 100 BLOCK DURING THE JULY 3RD OR WHATEVER YOU SAID, HEY, I THINK WE NEED THREE OFFICERS AND A SERGEANT OR YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD THAT BE DECIDED? USUALLY WE WORK THAT OUT IN KIND OF PRE EVENT PLANNING AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, YARDSTICKS TO USE. WE WORK OUT WITH EMA AND DOUG REED'S SQUAD.
YOU KNOW, IF WE KNOW IF THERE'S GOING TO BE 15,000 PEOPLE THERE, THERE'S PRE ESTABLISHED EQUATIONS WHERE WE CAN SAY WE SHOULD HAVE THIS MANY OFFICERS FOR CROWD CONTROL AND PARKING.
IF PEOPLE WANT EXTRA AND THEY'RE CONTRACTING AND THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, THE DELUXE PLAN, WE SHOULD, WE PASS THAT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, AND IF WE ADD EXTRA PEOPLE ON.
SO IT, IT DOES KIND OF DEPEND AND IT'S WORKED OUT ON A, ON A SITUATION BY SITUATION BASIS.
SO FOR THE JULY 3RD EVENT SPECIFICALLY, WE WERE GIVEN SOME FUNDS FROM IOWA WEST FOUNDATION TO HELP WITH THAT. AND SO WE HAVEN'T GIVEN IT TO YOU YET, BUT WE'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION TO THEM WHERE WE ARE BEING REIMBURSED FOR POLICE, FIRE, EMA BIKE NIGHT, THOUGH I DON'T BELIEVE WE ARE REIMBURSED AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING GOING FORWARD THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ESTABLISH.
SOMEBODY TOLD ME IT WAS BEING PAID FOR AND I, I DIDN'T KNOW. THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT I'D ASK.
SO THEY USE A SPECIFIC PAY CODE WHEN THEY HAVE OVERTIME REIMBURSABLE AND SO EVERY PAYROLL, THEN WE RUN A REPORT AND GIVE IT TO CAMERA AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SO SHE CAN BILL FOR THOSE CONTRACTS. I DON'T KNOW WHICH WHAT EVENTS ARE REIMBURSABLE AND WHICH ONES AREN'T.
BUT IT'S NOT ONLY THAT, BUT IF THEY ARE A DOUBLE TIME OVER DOUBLE TIME, THE WHOLE THING GETS PASSED ON.
SO MICHELLE, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. I WAS CLEAR ON THE EMAIL THAT YOU SENT PREVIOUSLY AND APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. YOU KIND OF BROKE DOWN PROPOSAL BETWEEN 2 AND A HALF AND 3%. RIGHT. IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS ABOUT A DIFFERENCE OF $45,000 BETWEEN THE TWO. AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN WE'RE TALKING EVERYTHING TOGETHER. IS THAT RIGHT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
TWO AND A HALF AND THREE AND A HALF OR THREE AND A HALF.
YEAH, BETWEEN THE TWO AND A HALF AND THE THREE AND A HALF.
LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT HISTORICALLY THROUGH OTHER PROCESSES, THE BENEFITS, THE OVERTIME INCREASING, THAT. THAT WAS THE INCREASE. THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE.
AND IT MAINTAINS THAT GAP THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT OUT RIGHT.
SO AT THREE AND A HALF PERCENT, IF YOU WOULD GIVE THEM THREE AND A HALF PERCENT, IT WOULD MAINTAIN THE 11.8% GAP IN BETWEEN THE HIGHEST OFFICER AND THE LOWEST SERGEANT.
AND THAT I GUESS I WOULD AGREE WITH HOW WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT THAT IN THAT YOU'RE TAKING THE TOP OF THE LOWER LEVEL AND THE LOWER OF THE BOTTOM LEFT OR THE TOP LEVEL AND THEN SAYING, WHERE'S MY DIFFERENCE WITH THAT? YOU KNOW, ONE THING I BROUGHT UP LAST TIME AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS I THINK AT SOME POINT, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S NOW NECESSARILY, BUT AT SOME POINT WHEN YOU CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT GAP AND WE KEEP SAYING WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THIS GAP AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS KEEP GOING UP, WELL, THEN THE GAP JUST KEEPS GETTING WIDER. THE NUMBERS JUST WORK THAT WAY.
RIGHT. SO AGAIN, I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THAT THAT TIME IS NOW. I'M JUST SAYING SOMETHING WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE GO FORWARD, THAT AS WE CONTINUE TO DO THIS, IT'S VERY EASY JUST TO SAY, WELL, LET'S JUST KEEP IT THE SAME AND LET'S DO THIS. THE REALITY IS WHEN THE NUMBERS FINALLY GET IN THERE, THE NUMBERS ARE MUCH DIFFERENT AS YOU KEEP DOING THAT. SO JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KIND OF BE AWARE OF THAT AS WE'RE KIND OF TALKING THIS THROUGH TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT MAKES SENSE? AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT NOW IS THE TIME FOR THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE THERE WILL BE A TIME WHERE WE SAY, OKAY, THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT GETS US OUT OF LINE MAYBE WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHETHER THE PERCENTAGE DOES OR NOT IN SOME RESPECTS.
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CAN I ASK WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT POINT COMES? BECAUSE IF WE DO A THREE AND A HALF RIGHT NOW TO THE. TO THE POLICE, RIGHT IT GOES FROM 11.1 TO 11.8, WHICH WE ARE THE HIGHEST GAP NEXT IS WATERLOO AT 9.7, AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE FALLS BETWEEN 6 AND 1%. SO WE'RE ALMOST DOUBLE WHAT THE AVERAGE STATE GAP IS.AND AGAIN, I GUESS I'M GOING TO TAKE THOSE NUMBERS COMING IN WITH A GRAIN OF SALT. WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THEY'RE INCLUDING IN THOSE NUMBERS. SO I CAN'T SAY IT'S A APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON COMPARED TO WHAT WE'RE DOING. I GUESS I LOOK AT IT AND SAY, IS 11% ENOUGH? RIGHT.
WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT IT AND WE SAY, OKAY, IS SOMEBODY GOING TO APPLY THAT SHOULD APPLY RIGHT FOR THE NEXT LEVEL UP, IS 11% ENOUGH FOR ME TO MAKE THEM WANT TO DO IT? I UNDERSTAND THE OVERTIME DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE IF I STAY AT THE LOWER LEVEL, I CAN KEEP BILKING THAT OVER TIME AND I KEEP GETTING MORE AND. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? I GET PAID MORE AT THE LOWER LEVEL THAN I MIGHT AT THE NEXT LEVEL. PLUS I'M TAKING ON ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITY THAT MAYBE I DON'T WANT TO GET BURNED FOR IN THE END. AND YOU GOT TO HAVE SOMEWHERE TO SAY, THIS MAKES SENSE FOR ME TO TAKE THAT ON WHAT THAT IS.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE. I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND START CRUNCHING NUMBERS TO SAY, OKAY, AFTER TWO YEARS, IF WE KEPT THAT UP, THE GAP WOULD NOW BE X PERCENT.
OR THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WOULD BE X PERCENT. IF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT'S $15,000, WELL, I THINK THAT'D BE MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR SOMEBODY TO SAY, YEAH, THERE'S ENOUGH THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE RIGHT NOW WHEN I LOOK AT THAT, BUT I DO THINK AT SOME POINT THAT'S WHERE WE'LL HAVE TO GET TO IS THE OVERALL DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT IT COMES TO.
AGAIN, I KNOW WE RECEIVED THOSE NUMBERS AND THEY SAID WE'RE MUCH HIGHER. I GUESS IN MY. AS I LOOK AT IT INITIALLY, THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS. AND MAYBE CHIEF CAN ANSWER THIS, WHAT THE HELL WOULD THEY BE DOING SO MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WE ARE THAT WE'RE SO FAR OUT OF LINE WITH THAT, OTHER THAN MAYBE THEY'RE NOT INCLUDING CERTAIN NUMBERS WITHIN THAT DOLLAR THAT WE GOT? I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, AND WE DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF WE ASKED THIS AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GOT ANYTHING BACK FROM THEM. I ASKED IF THESE OTHER CITIES IF THEIR SERGEANTS AND LIEUTENANTS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR OVERTIME OR NOT ELIGIBLE FOR OVERTIME, BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE AS WELL.
WE HAVE NOT GOT THAT INFORMATION BACK.
WE, I ASKED FOR IT ON, I THINK FRIDAY, THURSDAY OR FRIDAY, BUT NOT EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, CAN'T GET THAT INFORMATION BACK QUICK.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY, IF THEIR SERGEANTS AND LIEUTENANTS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR OVERTIME. SO I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A BIG DIFFERENCE. AND THEN, I MEAN, AGAIN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT AN. I DON'T WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT. I'M NOT A POLICE OFFICER. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT TAKING A PROMOTION, RIGHT, LIKE IF YOU'RE ON DAYS AS AN OFFICER AND YOU WANT TO BECOME A SERGEANT, YOU'RE GOING TO KNIGHTS, RIGHT? AND SO IT'S LIKE, IT'S A PROMOTION, BUT NOW YOUR WHOLE LIFE CHANGES AND IT'S A DIFFERENT LIFESTYLE FOR YOUR FAMILY AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. AND THERE'S, AS DOUG SAID, IS 11% ENOUGH TO MOVE TO NIGHTS? BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST LIKE DE. INCENTIVIZING, RIGHT.
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, I MEAN, THAT'S HOW I SEE IT, RIGHT? LIKE, WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
LIKE I SAID, MAYBE YOUR SPOUSE WORKED NIGHTS AND NOW YOU'RE BOTH WORKING NIGHTS.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT REASONS WHY YOU DO IT, BUT IT'S LIKE A, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW HOW OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE STRUCTURED ALSO. THEY COULD BE STRUCTURED DIFFERENTLY THAN THE WAY WE'RE STRUCTURED HERE IN COUNCIL BLUFFS, WHICH WOULD DETERMINE THAT PERCENTAGE FACTOR ALSO.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, OFF OF PAST HISTORY, WE'VE KEPT THIS GAP AND WE'VE.
WE'VE GONE WITH THE PERCENTAGE RAISE IN THESE POSITIONS FROM THE NEGOTIATED SIDE OF THE POLICE UNION. AND THAT WAS NEGOTIATED AT 3.5. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO BE ON THIS. AND THIS IS WHY I TABLED IT. WE NEED TO KEEP THIS GAP. OTHERWISE YOU'LL RUN INTO SITUATIONS JUST LIKE YOU'RE SPEAKING OF WHERE THEY WON'T PROMOTE AND YOU'LL MAKE MORE MONEY WITH LESS RESPONSIBILITY BY WORKING THE OVERTIME AND KEEPING THE, YOU KNOW, THE LIFESTYLE YOU HAVE GOING AT THAT LOWER POSITION.
SO TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, I KNOW OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST, I THINK FOUR FISCAL YEARS, IT'S BEEN 11.08 SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WHAT IS ENOUGH TO. WHAT IS ENOUGH MOTIVATION THAT HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN ENOUGH FINANCIAL INCENTIVE THAT WE HAVEN'T CREATED A DISINCENTIVE
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FOR PROMOTIONS. SO I THINK IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS, YOU KNOW, IS ADVISABLE WHEN YOU, IF YOU REDUCE IT AT ALL, YOU ARE. YOU'RE IMPACTING THAT EQUATION NEGATIVELY. SO ALL THE VARIABLES THAT YOU'RE WAVING, WEIGHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A SHIFT CHANGE AND LIFESTYLE CHANGE, YOU KNOW, IF ONE OF THOSE VARIABLES TICKS TO THE LEFT INSTEAD OF THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, AS TO WHAT WILL ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, DRIVE MY BEST PEOPLE TO BE, YOU KNOW, WILLING TO TAKE THAT PROMOTION. I CAN'T GIVE YOU A HARD NUMBER. I CAN JUST KIND OF DESCRIBE THE BAROMETRIC PRESSURES THAT ARE DRIVING DECISION MAKING AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO THE QUESTION ON WHAT COULD WE DO IF NOT NOW.MICHELLE AND I HAVE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW WE LAY OUT AND VISUALIZE OUR SALARY, PROMOTIONS AND PAY GRADES WHERE PEOPLE CAN MAKE PROMOTIONAL DECISIONS. BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE IN THAT MOMENT OF MAKING THAT DECISION, HOW DOES IT AFFECT ME RIGHT NOW AS A 10 YEAR OFFICER, AS, AS A 12 YEAR SERGEANT, AS A 15 YEAR LIEUTENANT, AS TO WHETHER OR NOT I TAKE THAT PROMOTION? I'VE SHARED SOME SPREADSHEETS AND WAYS OF VISUALIZING THE DATA WITH MICHELLE THAT, YOU KNOW AND I KNOW WHENEVER I SAY THE WAY WE USED TO DO IT AT MY OLD AGENCY, EVERYONE IN MY DEPARTMENT GRINDS THEIR TEETH AND SPITS ON THE FLOOR.
BUT WHEN YOU LAY IT ALL OUT AND YOUR COLUMNS ARE YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE AND YOUR ROWS ARE YOUR RANKS AND YOU SHOW THE DATA ACROSS THERE AND YOU SAY, I'M CONTEMPLATING A DECISION RIGHT HERE, WHERE AM I AT? WHAT, WHAT'S THE CHANGE THAT CAN HELP VISUALIZE IT BETTER, EXPLAIN IT TO PEOPLE. YOU CAN DO THE CROSS AGENCY COMPARISONS BETTER THAT WAY BECAUSE THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS. HOW MANY PROMOTIONAL STEPS ARE THERE? WHAT ARE THE INTRA STEP PERCENT CHANGES A WAY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S. WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT'S THE LOWEST PAID HERE AND THE HIGHEST PAID AT THIS POINT YOU'RE ALSO MISSING POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS ON THE FRONT OF THAT. WHAT HAPPENS IF I GET PROMOTED TO SERGEANT IN MY FIFTH YEAR BECAUSE I'M A ROCK STAR AND I'M GETTING A 30% INCREASE IN PAY? SO I THINK WHEN WE LAY THE DATA OUT, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHAT COULD WE DO AT ANOTHER TIME, WHEN WE EVALUATE THIS, WE CAN LOOK AT IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY AND WE CAN ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AND WE CAN LOOK FOR THOSE EFFICIENCIES AND COST SAVINGS DOWN THE ROAD.
RIGHT, AND I AGREE WITH THAT, CHIEF, BECAUSE I, I THINK AS YOU START TO GET INTO THAT, IT'S VERY DETAILED ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS AND YOU REALLY CAN GET LOST IN THOSE NUMBERS A LITTLE BIT SOMETIMES.
AND I'M NOT VERY SMART, SO I TRY AND SIMPLIFY THIS AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO STEP BACK AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT MAKES SENSE. AND I KNOW FROM PAST EXPERIENCE MYSELF WHEN I LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND WE SAY, WELL, WHETHER IT'S AN EMPLOYEE OR A GROUP OR DEPARTMENT OR WHATEVER, AND YOU SAY, ALL RIGHT, I'M CONTEMPLATING THIS OR THIS.
LET'S STEP BACK A SECOND FROM 30,000 FOOT AND SAY, HOW DID THEY DO? DID THEY MEET OBJECTIVES? DID THEY DO WHAT WE WANTED THEM TO DO? OR DID THEY GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE WANTED TO DO? ONE THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS I DON'T HEAR ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB. NOW, MAYBE THE MAYOR HEARS OTHER THINGS. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T HEAR FROM PEOPLE SAYING, BOY, THEY'RE STRUGGLING OR THIS IS A PROBLEM OR THIS ISN'T WORKING.
THEN THAT MAKES ME LEAN TOWARDS THEY'RE DOING GOOD. AND WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE THOSE PEOPLE FOR DOING GOOD AND MAKING GOOD DECISIONS AND HAVING THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN PLACE AND THEN REWARDING THAT. AGAIN, I WILL STEP BACK AND SAY, THAT MIGHT BE TODAY. IF YOU COME BACK NEXT YEAR AND SAY, WELL, DOUG, WHAT THE HECK? AND I WOULD JUST SAY, WELL, NOW YOUR DOLLAR AMOUNT IS SO MUCH HIGHER.
THAT IS A MUCH GREATER INCENTIVE TO TRY AND GET SOMEBODY IN THERE. AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE TOO HIGH. BUT I DON'T. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE THERE YET.
AND DOUG, I GUESS WHERE I'M COMING FROM IS A. I THINK THE POLICE AND THE FIRE DO AN AMAZING JOB. RIGHT? THAT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT'S IN QUESTION HERE. WHERE I HAVE THE CONCERN OR THE HESITATION IS, IS WE ARE SITTING IN.
IN FRONT OF A GROUP OF SUPERVISORS THAT ARE BASICALLY BEING TOLD THEY DON'T DESERVE TO GET THE SAME RAISE THAT THIS OTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE DO. AND TO ME, THAT. THAT'S A HARD PILL TO SWALLOW. THEY ARE ALL SUPERVISORY. THEY ARE ALL MANAGEMENT STAFF. SO WHY DOES POLICE AND FIRE GET PAID EXTRA WHEN THE OTHER ARE NOT? POLICE AND FIRE RUN INTO GUNFIGHTS AND BURNING BUILDINGS.
IT'S A DIFFERENT JOB. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE OTHER JOBS, EVERYONE'S. YEAH, EVERYONE'S JOBS ARE DIFFERENT TO THAT.
BUT YOU GOT HIGHER CANCER RATES AMONG FIREMEN. YOU GOT HIGHER SUICIDE RATES, ALCOHOLISM RATES WITH POLICE, HIGHER DIVORCE RATES, SHORTER LIFE EXPECTANCY FOR POLICE AND FIRE. I MEAN, THERE IS A TRADE OFF WITH. I MEAN, YOU'RE GIVING UP A LOT BY PURSUING A CAREER IN FIRE OR POLICE. I MEAN, YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE SIGNIFICANT HEALTH PROBLEMS, SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS IN YOUR PERSONAL LIFE. SO I THINK THAT.
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AT ALL. AND THAT'S WHY THEY MAKE MORE MONEY OVERALL IN GENERAL, FOR, FOR THE SUPERVISORY STAFF.SUPERVISORY STAFF TO SUPERVISORY STAFF.
BUT SUPERVISORS ALSO GO OUT INTO THE FIELD AS WELL.
UNDERSTAND? BUT WHY DO THEY GET A BIGGER RAISE? I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE BASE SALARY IS MORE AND THEY GET BETTER BENEFITS AND HIGHER BENEFITS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT WHY SHOULD A GROUP OF SUPERVISORY STAFF GET A HIGHER RAISE THAN ANOTHER GROUP OF SUPERVISORY STAFF? WHY WOULD LAWYERS MAKE MORE THAN CLERKS? WHY WOULD DOCTORS, THEY GOT THE SAME RAISE. WHY WOULD DOCTORS MAKE MORE SUPERVISORY STAFF OR LAWYER GOT THE SAME RAISE AS ALL THE OTHER SUPERVISORS.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE'S DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATIONS OF JOBS. AND JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE A SUPERVISOR DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE NOT IN A SUPERVISORY POSITION OF A VERY COMPLEX AND LIFE THREATENING POSITIONS. I MEAN, SOME OF THESE DECISIONS THESE GUYS ARE MAKING OUT IN THAT ARE MADE SPUR THE MOMENT AND HAS HIGH, HIGH CIRCUMSTANCES OF THINGS GOING VERY BADLY.
RIGHT. AND THEY DO GET COMPENSATED.
AND THE PEOPLE SUPERVISING THOSE PEOPLE ARE TAKING ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY ALSO.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE, THE ARGUMENT IS DO WE BELIEVE THAT THEY SHOULD GET A LOWER RAISE THAN THE, YOU KNOW, GROUND LEVEL OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS OR SHOULD WE KEEP IT AT THE SAME PERCENTAGE? WE'RE NOT, I'M NOT, I DON'T DISAGREE THAT I THINK ALL THE SUPERVISORS DO PHENOMENAL WORK.
BUT I THINK THAT HAVE GIVING THEM THE 3.5%, WHICH IS WHAT I SUPPORT, I THINK GIVING FIRE AND POLICE SUPERVISORY THAT THREE AND A HALF PERCENT BE CUT, YOU KNOW, CONTINGENT ON WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH FIRE.
BUT I KNOW WE WERE LOOKING AT THREE AND FOUR. SO I THINK THREE AND A HALF IS, YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE OF GOOD COMPROMISE. BUT IT, YOU KNOW, SAY SO WE'LL SAY POLICE FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE, SINCE WE KNOW THOSE NUMBERS. I THINK IF WE GIVE THEM THE SAME AS THE PEOPLE UNDERNEATH THEM AND WE MAINTAIN THAT GAP, THEN WE CAN MAINTAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, TALENT POOL OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GO FOR THOSE. AND I UNDERSTAND YOU, YOU'RE COMPLETELY, YOU MAKE VALID POINTS. I DO COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK THAT IS WHY I'M NOT SAYING THESE SUPERVISORS DESERVE A MUCH LARGER PERCENTAGE THAN THESE SUPERVISORS. I'M SAYING THESE SUPERVISORS DESERVE TO GET A RAISE AT THE SAME RATE AS THE PEOPLE UNDERNEATH THEM WHO MAY BE APPLYING FOR THEIR JOB SOON.
DID I MISS SOMETHING, MICHELLE? HAS IT BEEN THREE AND A HALF THE LAST HOWEVER MANY YEARS? TWO YEARS.
TWO YEARS. SO IT IS THREE AND A HALF FOR THIS YEAR AND THREE AND A HALF FOR NEXT YEAR.
AND COUNCIL WOULD HAVE VOTED ON THAT PREVIOUSLY.
CORRECT? NOT FOR SUPERVISOR, NOT FOR SUPERVISORS, FOR POLICE UNION. THAT'S FOR THE UNION WHERE THEY'RE SCHEDULED. AND THESE ARE THEY'RE NOT IN THE UNION, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HAVING THAT.
I THINK THE OTHER THING IS WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT FINANCE OR PUBLIC WORKS.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE GAP BETWEEN THEIR DIRECT SUPERVISORS EITHER.
WE'RE NOT, I MEAN THERE'S DIFFERENT QUALIFICATIONS.
WE'RE GOING TO, IT'S, I THINK IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES IF I'M BEING HONEST WITH YOU. HOW YOU, HOW YOU LOOK AT THE TWO DIFFERENT, AGAIN, THEY'RE DIFFERENT JOBS. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN EVEN COMPARE THEM. AND AGAIN, I'VE TALKED ABOUT MERIT BASED BAY.
IF ONE OF YOUR DIRECTORS THINKS THEY NEED MORE, THEY SHOULD COME TO YOU AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE DO THAT. IF, AND IF YOU THINK THEY DO, THEN YOU COME TO US AND SAY, HEY, THESE GUYS NEED TO BE, INSTEAD OF A GRADE 34, THEY NEED TO BE GRADE 36. RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S WHEN I THINK ABOUT MERIT BASED PAY, THAT'S HOW I THINK ABOUT THAT. AND AS A SUPERVISOR THAT'S UNDER YOUR PURVIEW, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD BRING TO US AND WE'D TALK ABOUT IT.
KIND OF LIKE WE'RE DOING NOW. I MEAN I TALK TO MULTIPLE OF THE SUPERVISORY POSITIONS IN THE POLICE FORCE AND SOME OF THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T SEE WHAT YOUR TEAM'S DOING EVERY DAY. WE DON'T SEE WHAT REALLY A LOT OF YOU GUYS ARE DOING EVERY DAY. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. RIGHT. I MEAN, SO FOR, YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO CAPTAIN ROBERTS, I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL OF YOUR, OF YOUR STAFF AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT GOES INTO WHAT THEY DO, HOW THEY DO IT, WHY THEY DO IT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE THAN JUST GETTING EMAIL WITH NUMBERS OF PERCENTAGES AND GAPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND, AND I TOLD HIM THAT. I WAS LIKE, LOOK, WE ONLY WORK ON THE INFORMATION WE'RE GIVEN AND THAT WE MAKE THE BEST DECISION WE CAN FOR THE CITY. AS YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I LOOK AT THIS AS NOT UNION VERSUS CITY OR NON UNION VERSUS CITY. IT'S A TEAM. IT'S AN EFFORT THAT WE ALL HAVE TO BE REALLY GOOD AT AND MAKE THE BEST DECISION WE CAN. AND
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SO AGAIN, I DO THINK IT'S JUST APPLES TO ORANGES. IT'S JUST WAY DIFFERENT.ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON A OR I JUST WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR COMING LATE. I HAVE MANDATORY TRAINING AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THIS WEEK, SO I CHANGED AT THE JAIL AND CAME STRAIGHT HERE. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR MISSING, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER I MISSED BEFORE ITEM 8D. THIS IS THE ONE CHIEF MENTIONED EARLIER.
THIS IS THE 2080 TO ASSIGN A SRO TO LEWIS CENTRAL SCHOOL.
IT FOLLOWS THE MODEL WE ESTABLISHED WITH COUNCIL BLUFF SCHOOLS. WORK WITH CITY LEGAL ON. ON SETTING OUT THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS REAL QUICK.
AND I, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT POSITION. THEY DO A GREAT JOB.
I THINK IT'S WHOLEHEARTEDLY BEHIND IT. ONE QUESTION I ASKED, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT WAS IN A SCHOOL DISTRICT LIKE LEWIS CENTRAL WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF COUNTY STUDENTS THAT DON'T LIVE IN CITY LIMITS, DOES THE COUNTY PAY FOR ANY OF THIS OR IS IT ALL COMING OUT OF THE CITY POCKET TO HAVE THAT RESOURCE OFFICER? WE GET REIMBURSED FROM LEWIS CENTRAL SCHOOL.
THE TERMS, THE 2080, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THE PAYMENT WILL COME FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO THE CITY IN THE SALARY TABLES THAT MICHELLE'S OFFICE.
IS IT. IS IT FULL REIMBURSEMENT? YES, FOR A NINE MONTH.
I'LL SAY FOR THE BENEFITS I THINK WE PAY FOR.
RIGHT. BENEFITS DON'T COME OUT OF US EITHER. THAT ALL COMES FROM THEM.
IN THAT CALCULATION WE PROVIDE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT INCLUDES THEIR BENEFITS FOR THAT NINE MONTHS. ANY CELL PHONE STIPEND, ANYTHING THAT THEY WOULD GET.
WE COULD ASK THE COUNTY FOR SOME HELP THOUGH. IT'S NOT A TERRIBLE PLAN.
I KNOW THE SCHOOLS, THEY'RE GETTING IT FROM THE SCHOOL. SO THE SCHOOL IS GOING TO GET THEIR STUFF FROM.
I JUST THINK WE SHOULD ASK FOR THE COUNTY TO HELP IN ALL THESE THINGS BECAUSE WE'RE THE BIGGEST CITY IN THE COUNTY.
I AM UP HERE FOR AE WHICH IS JUST UPDATING SOME LANGUAGE IN OUR BUSINESS ASSOCIATE AGREEMENT WITH JENNY ED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CARING FOR OUR COMMUNITIES PROGRAM.
WE ATTEND MEETINGS WHERE SOME OF THIS INFORMATION IS DISCUSSED. DISCUSSED. AND PER NEW HIPAA REQUIREMENTS, THEY JUST HAVE TO DELINEATE WHAT OUR ROLE IS.
AND SO IT'S REALLY JUST ADDING AN APPENDIX THAT GENERALLY DESCRIBES OUR ROLE AND RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
DID WE PUT THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT TOGETHER TO JENNY AND THEN WE MADE OUR ADJUSTMENTS? I DON'T KNOW. I WASN'T HERE WHEN THE ORIGINAL WAS PUT INTO PLACE. I. THEY LITERALLY JUST ADDED AN APPENDIX.
SORRY, WHEN. WHEN YOU SAY WE PARTICIPATE IN THESE MEETINGS FOR CARING FOR OUR COMMUNITY, ARE WE STILL DOING THAT? CHIEF DAVIS GOES.
OKAY, WELL YOU HAD ORIGINALLY SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO STOP DOING SOME OF THAT. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE LIKE WE'RE STILL PART.
SO HOP IS STILL DOING THEIR PORTION.
I ALSO HAVE 8G WHICH COVERS A. SO WE RECENTLY PURCHASED NORMS AIR CONDITIONING PROPERTY OVER THERE. AS YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, PART OF THE THE CONDITION OF THAT DEAL WAS THAT NORMS WANTED TO REMAIN WHERE THEY WERE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THEIR BUSY SEASON THIS YEAR.
AND WE HAD TO EXPEDITE THE PURCHASE DUE TO SOME FUNDS THAT NEEDED TO BE SPENT BY A CERTAIN DATE. AND SO WE ESSENTIALLY AGREED TO A LEASEBACK DEAL WHERE WE WOULD PURCHASE THE PROPERTY EARLIER THAN THEY WANTED TO BE OUT OF IT SO LONG AS WE WOULD LEASE IT BACK TO THEM.
I LIKE THAT ARRANGEMENT WITH THEM AND THEY'VE BEEN. I WANT TO THANK TERRY AND LARRY BOTH FOR THEIR COMMITMENT TO COUNCIL BLUFFS AND THEM BEING WILLING TO DO THIS. AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT DEAL FOR EVERYBODY.
THEN MY LAST ITEM IS 8P, WHICH IS A CONSTRUCTION STAGING LEASE. AS COUNCIL IS AWARE, FIRST AVENUE FREES OUT. WE HAVE BEEN BACK AND FORTH IN FRONT OF YOU FOR I CAN'T COUNT HOW MANY MONTHS AT THIS POINT. BUT THERE WAS SOME SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENTS THAT CAME INTO THIS DEAL, YOU KNOW, WITH CHRIS TAKING OVER IN THE MIDDLE PORTION, HAVING A CHANCE TO REVIEW SOME ELEMENTS OF THE DEAL. YOU KNOW, HE DID REALLY GOOD. HE AND HIS TEAM DID A REALLY GOOD JOB CATCHING SOME THINGS THAT THAT COULD HAVE LED TO FUTURE LITIGATION. AND SO IN WORKING THROUGH THOSE ISSUES, WE,
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YOU GUYS ORIGINALLY SENT OUT AN RFP FOR TWO PARCELS OF PROPERTY. AND WHAT WE ULTIMATELY AGREED TO IN THE PURCHASE, SALE AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT YOU AUTHORIZED WAS JUST ONE OF THE TWO PARCELS OF PROPERTY. THEY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD. BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO DO IN THE INTERIM TO GET THAT PROPERTY READY FOR SALE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE PLANNING ON PURCHASING BOTH, THEY HAD A DEVELOPED PLAN FOR HOW THEY WERE GOING, WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO DO THEIR CONSTRUCTION. AND THE LOT THAT WE WERE NOT MOVING FORWARD ON THE SALE AT THIS TIME IS THAT'S WHERE THEY PLAN TO DO ALL THEIR CONSTRUCTION STAGING. AND SO IN TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STILL GOT SOME OF THIS DEAL MOVING FORWARD ON A GOOD TIMELINE, WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY ANOTHER NEARBY CITY OWNED PARCEL OF PROPERTY THAT WOULD OTHERWISE NOT HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ITSELF. IT'S BEING HELD FOR FUTURE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE'RE NOT REALLY IN A PHASE WHERE THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO ANYBODY. AND SO KIND OF AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE REMEDY, WE CAME UP WITH OFFERING THIS OTHER SITE.AND THIS IS THE LEASE AGREEMENT THAT LEGAL WOULD ASK YOU TO APPROVE TO ALLOW THEM TO UTILIZE THAT SITE FOR THEIR CONSTRUCTION STAGING.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR TONY ON HIS ITEMS? OKAY, THANKS, TONY. 8F.
8F'S RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE BID FOR CARLI CONSTRUCTION FOR THE SECOND PHASE OF HILLCREST THEY COMPLETED THE FIRST PHASE AND WE WANT TO GET THEM STARTED ON, ON PHASE TWO.
ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, EIGHT. I.
SORRY, CHRIS, YOU AND I, COLE, GO AHEAD. OKAY.
YEAH. SO JOE AND I WERE WORKING ON THIS AFTER THE MORATORIUM DISCUSSION.
DISCUSSION. WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY UP HERE AGREED THAT WE, EVEN THOUGH THAT DIDN'T PASS, WE STILL WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH EVALUATING OUR, YOU KNOW, PERMITTING AND ZONING POLICIES AND WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DISCUSSION ON THAT.
SO WE'RE BASICALLY ASKING CHRIS TO, YOU KNOW, WITHIN 90 DAYS, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT THE ZONING AND PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS AND VERSUS WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES, OTHER COUNTIES OR CITIES HAVE DONE IN RESPONSE AND SEE WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE AS FAR AS PROTECTIONS FOR THE CITY. AND IF WE FEEL THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON OUR RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, CAN WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS THERE? WHAT STUDIES COULD WE REQUIRE BEFORE APPROVING THAT? SO IT'S BASICALLY DIRECTING HIM TO.
BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO PROPOSE THIS BEFORE HE COULD DO ANYTHING WITH IT. SO WE HAD TO INTRODUCE THIS TO GET THAT CONVERSATION STARTED.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT TODAY, I'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATION AND WE KIND OF WORKED ON PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. I WANTED TO GET MAYBE THE REST OF COUNCIL'S THOUGHT ON IT IN THE PUBLIC SPACE HERE AS IT PERTAINS TO LIKE OUR 90 DAY PERIOD, I GUESS, I MEAN, FOR THE PURPOSE OF GATHERING INFORMATION. I MEAN, CHRIS, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT'S, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED 90 DAYS TO GATHER SOME OF THAT INFORMATION? I GUESS IS WHAT MY QUESTION WOULD BE TO YOUR DEPARTMENT.
I THINK WE CAN GET IT DONE SOONER, BUT YOU KNOW, 90 OBVIOUSLY HELPS RIGHT NOW KNOWING WE'RE KIND OF SHORT STAFFED.
IDEALLY, I THINK YOU'LL SEE IN THE END WE'LL COME BACK WITH A REPORT THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A FRAMEWORK WHAT A FUTURE TEXT AMENDMENT COULD LOOK LIKE. AND THEN FROM THERE YOU GIVE US GUIDANCE ON IF YOU WANT US TO MOVE FORWARD ACTUALLY CREATING THAT TEXT AMENDMENT OR NOT.
WHEN YOU SAY, SORRY, WHEN YOU SAY SHORT STAFFED, HOW MANY SHORT ARE YOU? WELL, RIGHT NOW WE'RE SHORTER.
WE'RE PART IN THE PROCESS TRYING TO HIRE THAT PERSON.
THAT'S YOUR OLD SPOT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND SO I'M FILLING THAT ROLE ALONG WITH THEIR DIRECTOR'S POSITION AND THEN WE HAVE A HOUSING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER POSITION THAT IS TECHNICALLY OPEN, OPEN, OPEN AS WELL AT COURTNEY FIELD. SO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS WORK'S GOING TO FALL ON ME AND I'LL CERTAINLY DO THE UNDERTAKING. BUT, YOU KNOW, 90 DAYS WOULD GIVE ME, I THINK, ENOUGH TIME TO GO THROUGH, DO THE REVIEW WITH MY TEAM AND COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN DISCUSS AS A GROUP HERE AND GET A GAME PLAN MOVING FORWARD.
AND BOTH OF THOSE POSITIONS ARE POSTED.
FOR PEOPLE TO APPLY THE PLANNING MANAGER POSITIONS
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POSTED. THE HOUSING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POSITION IS NOT YET. THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO PROBABLY COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT WITH YOU.SO WHEN WE SPOKE A WHILE BACK, WE HAD. WE HAD JUST TWO OR WE HAVE THREE VACANCIES.
SO WE HAVE ONE VACANCY RIGHT NOW AS A PLANNING MANAGER.
WHEN COURTNEY WAS DIRECTOR, SHE WAS BOTH DIRECTOR AND HOUSING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.
LIKE, IS THERE AN ACTUAL POSITION? THERE IS A POSITION, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT ADVERTISED.
LIKE WE HAVE TO FUND IT AGAIN. AND SO THAT'S A. THAT WAS A CRITICAL ROLE IN OUR DEPARTMENT. THAT'S A PERSON WHO DEALT WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, STATE GRANTS, STATE SUPER IMPORTANT.
I KNOW IT'S NOT THE CONVERSATION OF TODAY, BUT THAT'S A POSITION THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT HERE IN THE FUTURE TO BRING THAT BACK TO FREE UP SOME CAPACITY IN OUR DEPARTMENT. YOU KNOW, KNOW, SPECIFICALLY WITH ME BEING ABLE TO KIND OF DO SOME OF THESE HIGHER INITIATIVES OF WORK THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR OUR DEPARTMENT TO DO. SO, YES, I THINK WE CAN GET IT DONE WITHIN 90 DAYS, PROBABLY SOONER.
BECAUSE YOU'RE STRAPPED FOR TIME AND MANPOWER, WOMAN POWER, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, PERSON POWER. IS IT SOMETHING WE SHOULD MAYBE HIRE SOMEONE OUTSIDE TO TAKE ON TO GET IT DONE QUICKLY? I DON'T THINK WE NECESSARILY NEED TO DO THAT, I GUESS.
HOW SOON WOULD YOU LIKE IT DONE, JOE? AN IDEAL SITUATION, LIKE.
WELL, I MEAN, THE 90 DAYS IS PLENTY OF TIME.
FOR 90 DAYS IS AN AWFUL LOT OF TIME. BUT I FEEL LIKE WHAT OUR KIND OF ASK IS TO SEE WHAT EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING. AND WITH A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT AI TOOLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, REACHING OUT TO SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES, NOT A WHOLE LOT OF COMMUNITIES. WE'RE GOING TO BE DRAWN FROM WITHIN THE STATE. I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE SELECTION POOL IS NOT ENORMOUS.
I WOULD DISAGREE. THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT 30 COMMUNITIES RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE DATA CENTERS IN SOME FORM. RIGHT.
SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME TO ACTUALLY GO OUT AND RESEARCH AND PULL THE INFORMATION AND PULL THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TIME TO DO THAT. WELL, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE NEED TO GET DOWN IN BUSINESS AND START. START DOING SOME DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVEN'T DONE DEVELOPMENT SERIOUSLY IN THE LAST SEVEN MONTHS. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COMMUNITY IMPACT AGREEMENT. WE KNOW THAT OMAHA JUST HAS ONE WITH THEM AND THE STATE OF NEBRASKA. WE CAN GET AHOLD OF THAT AND READ THROUGH IT AND FIND OUT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT TO HAVE A COMMUNITY IMPACT AGREEMENT WITH THESE DATA CENTERS. I MEAN, COUNCIL BLUFF IS GOING TO BE THE CITY THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPACTED. AND WE NEED TO KNOW IF THEY WANT TO COME IN HERE AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HELP US BUILD MORE ONTO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
THAT'S JUST PART OF THE AGREEMENT AND THAT'S KNOWN AHEAD OF TIME. AS WE GET IN AND DISCUSS THESE THINGS, WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW WHAT DES MOINES AND THE REST OF THEM. THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
SO I WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. I MEAN, CHRIS NEEDS 90 DAYS TO PUT HIS FORWARD THROUGH THAT. THAT IS WHY I ASKED FOR THE STRATEGIC PAUSE SO NOBODY ELSE CAN COME FORWARD AND WE COULD PUT THAT IN AND THEN THEY. YOU GUYS CAN PULL IT AS SOON AS IT'S DONE.
BUT TO JUST SAY WE NEED TO GO DO THIS IMMEDIATELY BEFORE SOMEBODY ELSE COMES IN.
THAT JUST CAN'T HAPPEN. THEY ALREADY. THEY'RE PULLING THE PERMITS FOR NORTH 16TH.
THEY'RE PULLING PERMITS FOR TWO MORE PLACES DOWN SOUTH. THEY ARE SURVEYING TWO MORE FARMS DOWN SOUTH.
WE'RE NOT STOPPING THEM UNLESS WE ACTUALLY PUT A MORATORIUM IN THAT SHOULD.
SO WE GOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT WE HAVE AGREED.
BUT TO HAVE COUNCILMAN GORMAN SAY WE NEED TO DO THIS RIGHT NOW AND WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO WAIT. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT. OTHERWISE, WE NEED.
HOW MANY MONTHS HAVE WE BEEN TALKING WITH THESE INDIVIDUALS? HOW MANY MONTHS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT NORTH 16TH? FOUR WEEKS.
STEVE, WHAT ELSE IS GOING TO GO THERE? WE GOT A TRANS.
WE GOT A POWER TRANSMISSION LINE. THEY'RE BUYING THE PROPERTY. WHAT ELSE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THERE? WE GOT A PRISON RIGHT TO THE.
TO THE NORTH OF IT. WE GOT A RAILROAD YARD RIGHT BEHIND IT. WE GOT A HOMELESS SHELTER JUST TO THE SOUTH OF IT.
I MEAN, WELL, I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT INDIVIDUALLY.
I THINK COUNCIL AGREED DURING THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION.
WE ALL WANT THIS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
YEAH. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALL KIND OF HAD TALKED ABOUT.
WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT'S RIGHT. A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
HE'S GOING TO DO THE RESEARCH.
AGREE. YEAH, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO PASS I MEAN, I THINK IF CHRIS SAYS 90 DAYS, HE THINKS HE CAN DO IT IN LESS THAN THAT. IF IT'S 90, THEN IT'S 90. AND WHEN HE GETS IT TO US, HE GETS IT TO US.
AND I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK YOU, COLE, BECAUSE THIS KIND OF CAME FROM YOU AND JOE.
WHY THE NEED FOR A RESOLUTION ON THIS? WE WERE INFORMED. I WANTED TO MEET WITH CHRIS AND MIMI AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OTHER COUNCILMAN. SO WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM, BUT WE WERE ADVISED
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BY THE MAYOR THAT HE, CHRIS, WAS NOT TO MEET WITH US AND ON ANYTHING RELATED TO DATA CENTERS WITHOUT FIRST US PASSING A RESOLUTION NOT TO MEET WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS.THAT WAS THE DIRECTIVE FOR CHRIS, THAT HE WAS NOT TO MEET WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS.
WE NEEDED DIRECTION AS FAR AS WHAT DID THE COUNCIL WANT BEFORE TAKING CHRIS'S TIME AWAY FROM OTHER PROJECTS THAT HE'S WORKING ON? YES, I, I WROTE UP SOME SUGGESTIONS AND QUESTIONS THAT, LIKE, HEY, BASED ON THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THIS DIDN'T PASS, IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT WE, WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME PROTECTIONS RELATED TO DATA CENTERS. HERE'S SOME RESEARCH I DID. HERE ARE WHAT SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE. HERE ARE SOME OPTIONS THAT THEY HAVE DONE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF IT'S POSSIBLE FOR US TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR. COULD YOU MEET WITH ME AND MIMI AND ONE OTHER COUNCILMAN, AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS INFORMED BY MIMI THAT CHRIS WAS INFORMED THAT HE WAS DIRECTED TO NOT TO GIVE US WHAT YOU WANTED TO WORK ON. RIGHT.
THAT YOU, YOU SAID THAT WE HAVE TO PASS A RESOLUTION.
I DIDN'T SAY YOU HAD TO PASS A RESOLUTION.
YOU TEXTED ME THAT YOU SAID WE HAD TO PASS A RESOLUTION.
WE NEEDED A RESOLUTION FROM COUNCIL BEFORE OF WHAT YOU WANTED TO WORK ON.
RIGHT. YOU SAID. I COULDN'T EVEN SAY, LIKE, CHRIS, I WANT 20 MINUTES OF YOUR TIME TO, YOU KNOW, GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS. LIKE, YOU SAID THAT WE HAD TO PASS A RESOLUTION. IF I WANTED TO EVEN GET HIS OPINION ON IF THIS IS FEASIBLE.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF LEGAL HERE FIRST REAL QUICK? THE ONLY INFORMATION THAT WE GET AS COUNCIL MEMBERS A LOT OF TIMES IS COMING FROM THE FOLKS THAT ARE INVOLVED HERE.
IN MY WORLD, I WOULD SAY WE NEED TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO TALK DIRECTLY TO A DEPARTMENT HEAD OR STAFF MEMBER TO ASK OUR QUESTIONS. NOW, I WILL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT WE DO NOT DICTATE WHAT THEY DO FROM A DAY TO DAY BASIS. THEY DO NOT REPORT TO US. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT AS. AND I APPRECIATE, COLE, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. BECAUSE YOU WENT OUT OF YOUR WAY TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION YOU COULD GET TO GET THE QUESTIONS LINED UP SO THAT YOU COULD ASK THE PERTINENT EXPERTS ON THIS. AND THEN HOW. HOW DO YOU WANT US TO GO ABOUT THAT? AND COULD MEAN FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE IN CREATING RESOLUTIONS, AND IN MY WORLD, I WOULD SAY THINK THIS SHOULD JUST BE DIRECTED.
WE WERE UNANIMOUS IN A VOTE THAT SAID THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING. HOWEVER, WE DO BELIEVE STAFF NEEDS TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. STAFF IS NOW BEING TOLD, NOPE, DON'T LOOK AT THOSE UNLESS YOU HAVE THE RESOLUTION.
HOWEVER, COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU CAN'T EVEN TALK TO THE STAFF TO GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED. I DO NOT WANT TO GO THROUGH A PARTICULAR GROUP OR PERSON TO SAY, I NEED MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED BECAUSE THEN THAT GETS SKEWED. I NEED TO GET DIRECTLY FROM THE DEPARTMENT HEAD. SO I GUESS FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR ME, WHERE SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE TO GET THIS TAKEN CARE OF AND AS A RESOLUTION NECESSARY? AND COULD YOU ALSO JUST CLARIFY, BASICALLY, SINCE YOU WERE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF THIS, LIKE, BASICALLY WHAT, IN YOUR OPINION, WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AND THE DIRECTIVE THAT CHRIS RECEIVED? SURE. SO THE DISTINCTION, THE NUANCE FOR YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN ROUX, IS A DIRECTIVE VERSUS INFORMATION GATHERING.
SO IF COUNCIL WANTS TO SPEAK WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEAD OR ANY MEMBER OF CITY STAFF TO GATHER INFORMATION, THE MAYOR CANNOT STOP THAT. IF COUNCIL WANTS TO GIVE A DIRECTIVE SUCH AS GO OUT, DO RESEARCH, PULL ALL THESE ZONING REGULATIONS, BRING THOSE BACK, COMPILE A REPORT, THE MAYOR CAN STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING. SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HAPPENED HERE IS. AND I'M NOT PRIVY TO THE TEXT MESSAGES, SO IS THAT PERHAPS THERE WAS. I'D HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT THE INITIAL EXACT LANGUAGE, BUT I THINK THERE WAS AN INITIAL HESITATION TO MEET BECAUSE MAYBE THERE WAS A BELIEF THAT THERE WAS A DIRECTIVE. I ADVISE THE MAYOR THEIR MEETINGS ARE ALLOWED INFORMATION GATHERING. IF YOU WISH TO REQUIRE A RESOLUTION FOR A DIRECTIVE, THAT IS APPROPRIATE.
AND THIS WAS JUST INFORMATION GATHERING. I WASN'T ASKING TO GIVE A DIRECTIVE OF ANYTHING.
I HAD SUGGESTIONS AND IDEAS FOR WAYS THAT I THOUGHT WE COULD IMPROVE AND HELP THE CITY. I JUST WANTED TO GET.
SINCE HE IS THE EXPERT IN THIS SUBJECT MATTER, WANTED TO GET YOUR OPINION. HEY, WHAT DO YOU THINK? IS THERE ANYTHING I'M MISSING? IS THERE SOMETHING I'M NOT ACCOUNTING FOR? BUT I COULDN'T EVEN DO THAT.
SO AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, WE.
DURING OUR TIME THAT WE CREATED TO BRING SOME OF THIS UP,
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WE DID NOT. WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING BECAUSE. BECAUSE WE WANTED TO GET TOGETHER WITH WE SPOKE WITH LEGAL AND THEN WE'RE SO INFORMED THAT WE NEEDED TO PUT SOMETHING FORWARD BEFORE GOING FORWARD SO THAT EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE IN AN EFFORT TO NOT USE UP CHRIS'S LIMITED TIME. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE MET. WE KIND OF HAD A MEETING OF OUR STAFF, WHICH IS CITY LEGAL, AND THEN AFTER THAT, LEGAL TOUCH BASE WITH CHRIS AND HIS STAFF TO KIND OF GET WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.BUT YES, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, IT'S NOT THE. THE MOST TIMELY FASHION, BUT IT, WE'RE. WE'RE WHERE WE WANTED TO BE PROBABLY A MEETING OR TWO AGO, BUT IN THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT, IT'S BETTER TO BE HERE THAN NOT BE HERE, I GUESS. IN FACT, THERE'S ANOTHER DEAL I'M GOING TO BE WORKING WITH, WITH SOME FOLKS TRYING TO GET TOGETHER FOR THE NEXT MEETING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY SORT OF MISDIRECTION, MISCOMMUNICATION, MISUNDERSTANDING OF ANY SORT, SHAPE OR FORM OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO I'LL DO SOME INFORMATION GATHERING HERE IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS IN AN EFFORT TO TRY AND GET SOMETHING BY THE DEADLINE FOR FRIDAY FOR NEXT MEETING SEPARATE OF THIS. ALSO, IN REFERENCE TO THAT CONVERSATION WE'D HAD IN THE PAST ON THAT MEETING, I GUESS THE RESOLUTION IS KIND OF SAYING WHAT I THOUGHT WE SAID LAST TIME.
ALL OF US THOUGHT WE SHOULD DO.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE JUST WEREN'T GOING TO STOP EVERYTHING WE.
BUT WE NOW THE MAYOR'S ASKING US TO GIVE OFFICIAL DIRECTION, I GUESS, IN THAT CAPACITY, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO IT AT THAT TIME.
YES. HOW I UNDERSTOOD, IF I'M MISTAKEN, LEGALLY, AGAIN, SHE CAN DIRECT STAFF TO DO WHATEVER SHE WANTS THEM TO DO. RIGHT. I MEAN, THAT SHE. THEY REPORT TO HER.
IF HER COMMENT WAS BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE SAID, WHICH IS, HEY, WE WOULD LIKE TO GO THIS DIRECTION. WE WOULD AVOID A RESOLUTION OR ANY OF THE ISSUES THAT WE WENT THROUGH HAD THAT DIRECTION BEEN GIVEN TO STAFF. AM I RIGHT? SHE DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO GIVE A DIRECTIVE TO HER STAFF.
SO WE NOW, ALTHOUGH WE VOTED THE WAY WE VOTED, WE NOW THEN HAVE TO CIRCUMVENT THE DIRECTION AND GO TO A RESOLUTION TO SAY WE STILL WANT WHAT WE SAID ORIGINALLY TO HAPPEN AND NOW WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO DO IT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING IT PROPERLY.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, AND WHY? I SAID I WANT SOMETHING WRITTEN DOWN. WHAT SPECIFICALLY DO YOU WANT? DO YOU WANT WHAT STUDIES ARE GOING TO BE DONE? WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT? HOW DO WE POTENTIALLY CHANGE ZONING? THE TEXT THAT I GOT FROM COLE WAS I CHATTED WITH CHRIS GIVENS POTENTIALLY ABOUT DOING CODE REVISIONS REGARDING DATA CENTERS AND OTHER LARGE SCALE PROJECTS LIKE JOE WAS ASKING FOR. HE SAID HE MENTIONED IT TO YOU WHEN HE GOT A CHANCE, TRYING TO GET SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE TO ADDRESS THE DATA CENTERS.
SO WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU WANT HIM TO DO? IF IT'S CODE, WE'LL DO CODE. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES DO.
I THINK, I THINK WHEN WE HAD OUR DISCUSSION ON OUR LAST MEETING WHEN WE ALL VOTED 5 TO 0 THAT WE COULD CHEW GUM AND DO THIS AT THE SAME TIME, WE CAN ADDRESS THEM AS THEY COME INTO TOWN, WE CAN FOLLOW OUR PROCESSES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE AND WE COULD START WORKING ON AN IMPACT STUDY FOR THE COMMUNITY ACCOUNTS BLUFFS.
THAT'S EXACTLY THE REASON WHY I ASKED, BECAUSE COLE IS ASKING FOR WHAT DO THE OTHER COMMUNITIES DO? YOU'RE SAYING ADDRESS THEM ONE AT A TIME AS THEY COME IN.
THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIVES. WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO PROVIDE YOU SPECIFICALLY? MAYBE I'M WRONG. CHRIS, I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT PART OF YOUR PROCESS AS YOU WOULD GO THROUGH THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS FITS OUR PLAN WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY WHAT FITS FOR US AND GO THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS.
AND THEN DEPENDING ON IF IT'S KIND OF AN ODD OR ODD DUCK SITUATION, YOU MIGHT ALSO LOOK AT OTHER COMMUNITIES AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS THERE. NOW THAT WOULD JUST BE, AGAIN, THAT'D BE YOUR OWN DECISION MAKING PROCESS TO SAY, SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING? BECAUSE THIS IS A LITTLE WEIRD FOR US RIGHT NOW. HAS THAT EVER HAPPENED IN YOUR SITUATION BEFORE? YEAH, ANYTIME WE DO CODE REVISIONS, YOU KNOW, WE DO RESEARCH ON IOWA COMMUNITIES THAT ARE THE SAME OR LARGER SIZE THAN US, AND THEN WE KIND OF LOOK AT NATIONAL TRENDS AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE KNOW DATA CENTERS IS A, IT'S A HOT TOPIC NATIONWIDE.
THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNITIES RIGHT NOW THAT EITHER ADOPTED CODES OR IN THE PROCESS OF ADOPTING CODES. AND SO OUR RESEARCH IS GOING TO BE LIKE, LET'S SEE WHAT FOLKS IN IOWA ARE DOING. AND LET'S COMPARE IT TO SOME OTHERS, ESPECIALLY ON THE EAST COAST, LIKE VIRGINIA, ATLANTA, THEY'RE SEEING A LARGE INFLUX OF DATA CENTERS. I THINK THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF COLE'S EXAMPLES. AND THEN WE WOULD COME BACK HERE WITH JUST A GENERAL FRAMEWORK OF LIKE WHAT A POTENTIAL TEXT AMENDMENT COULD LOOK LIKE. AND SO YOU GUYS COULD SAY, YES, CHRIS, I THINK YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH. COME BACK WITH AN ACTUAL TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WOULD CODIFY THAT.
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MY EXPERTISE IN PLANNING AND ZONING. BY NO MEANS AM I ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE. I'M NOT A CIVIL ENGINEER. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME ROLE IN THIS RESEARCH.BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM KIND OF TAKING THE LEAD ON. JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU WANT US TO GO. AND YOU KNOW, A RESOLUTION DOES KIND OF GIVE THAT DIRECT GUIDANCE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN A RABBIT HOLE OF RESEARCH THAT YOU GUYS AREN'T REALLY INTERESTED IN. WHEN YOU, YOUR DIRECTIVE IS, YOU KNOW, ITEMS ONE THROUGH 10, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SCRIPT, CHRIS.
I JUST WORKING WITH YOU AS MUCH AS I DID IN THE PAST, YOU ALWAYS SEEM TO DO THAT WITHIN YOUR PROCESS. IT SEEMED LIKE YOU WERE WELL PREPARED.
YOU WOULD COME BACK WITH INFORMATION SAYING, WELL, HERE'S WHAT WE SAW AT OTHER PLACES, HERE'S WHAT WE THINK IS IMPORTANT. HERE'S WHAT'S GOING TO IMPACT US SPECIFICALLY, HERE'S WHAT I'M RECEIVING FROM.
BACK FROM MY FOLKS. YOU DID ALL OF THAT WORK INTERNALLY ON YOUR OWN BECAUSE YOU KNEW IT WAS IMPORTANT TO DO THAT. WE NEVER DID RESOLUTIONS TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE THINGS. YOU JUST TOOK CARE OF THEM.
FROM MY EXPERIENCE, BUT I GET WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. MORE FORMAL PROCESS. YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU WANT TO GO. I GUESS I THOUGHT WE KIND OF HAD THAT DIRECTION ALREADY.
AND I GUESS I THINK ON THIS TOPIC IT PROBABLY IS APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, ME GETTING A DIRECTOR TO CHANGE A CODE FOR AD USE.
THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
THIS IS A, THIS IS A TECHNICAL TOPIC THAT HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONS AND, AND EXPERTS EXPERTISE INVOLVED THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WILL TAKE TIME, YOU KNOW, AND I WANT TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT'S USEFUL TO SAY, HEY, I THINK THIS SHOULD BE THE GAME PLAN. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I GUESS, COUNCILMAN DESALVO, IF WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUTSIDE.
WELL, THE REASON I, I KNOW WE KIND OF MORPHED OFF INTO A DIFFERENT SUBJECT.
WELL, A DIFFERENT PIECE OF THE SAME SUBJECT. I GUESS THE REASON I WAS ASKING THAT IS, IS I WAS, I WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH SOME FOLKS IN REFERENCE TO THE GRANT TIMELINES FOR LIKE IOWA WEST OR SOMETHING TO PERHAPS IF WE DO NEED TO GET OUTSIDE HELP WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, YOU PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS, THIS IS KIND OF A.
WE'RE IN AN ODD TIME IN AMERICA AND ALL THIS THAT'S HAPPENING IS HAPPENING SO FAST AND WE'RE, I MEAN, 20 YEARS AGO, THIS WAS HARDLY A THING.
YOU KNOW, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE ONE DEAL, YOU KNOW, HAUNT VEST, MEMORIAL. AND NOW HERE WE ARE MANY YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND THINGS HAVE CHANGED GREATLY. I GUESS. AGAIN, ANOTHER REASON I'D ASK IS BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE TIMELINES FOR THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, EARLY MID SEPTEMBER, IF THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE. IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE EVEN NEED. MAYBE WE DON'T NEED OUTSIDE.
WE DON'T NEED ONE FROM OUTSIDE.
BETWEEN YOURSELF AND PARKS AND SOME OF THE OTHER DIRECTORS OR OTHER DEPARTMENTS, YOU CAN COMPILE EVERYTHING UP IN A GOOD, EASILY DIGESTIBLE WAY FOR COUNCIL TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE FOUND. AND THIS IS KIND OF A TENTATIVE. A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS OF THINGS YOU GUYS COULD DO GOING FORWARD TO KIND OF TACKLE SOME OF THESE, YOU KNOW, EAT THIS BEAST ONE BITE AT A TIME, I GUESS. BUT.
WELL, AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I HAD ASKED ABOUT THE TIMELINES AND NOT TO.
IF YOU NEED THAT MUCH TIME, IF YOU DON'T NEED THAT MUCH TIME, IF YOU THINK IT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN.
AND AGAIN, AND I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF STUFF NOW IS BECOMING SO FAST. AND YOU. YOU CAN GET ON GROK OR CLAUDE OR CHATGPT OR XYZ OR RFY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
YOU CAN GO, OH, OKAY, I CAN SEE THESE COMMUNITIES HAVE.
YOU KNOW, THEY'LL COMPILE SOME OF THAT FOR YOU. THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME FROM, I GUESS.
WELL, I THINK CHRIS, DOING SOME RESEARCH AND WORKING WITH OTHER DIRECTORS, HE CAN COME BACK AND TELL US IF THERE NEEDS TO BE VERY STRATEGIC WORK DONE IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF WHAT HE'S ALREADY DISCOVERED AND THERE NEEDS TO BE OUTSIDE RESEARCH DONE OR OUTSIDE FIRMS HIRED.
I THINK THAT'S. HE'LL COME BACK TO US AND TELL US THAT.
LIKE, SURE, HERE'S WHAT I THINK.
HE'S LIKE, HEY, THIS IS A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE THAN I CAN HANDLE, AND OUR STAFF NEEDS HELP. I WOULD EXPECT HIM TO SAY THAT. RIGHT. I MEAN, THESE GUYS, THAT WE RELY ON THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS.
WE ALL, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU SELL HOT DOGS, HAMBURGERS, INSURANCE. RIGHT. WE. WE DON'T KNOW THESE THINGS AND, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION.
BUT AGAIN, I. I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE WERE THE LAST MEETING.
AND SO COLE HAD ASKED ME AFTER THE ASK WHEN. SO, I MEAN, ON THE 18TH, I ASKED HIM TO GIVE US DIRECTION IN THE LAST MEETING THAT NEVER WAS GIVEN IN THAT LAST MEETING. SO THEN. NOW WE'RE AT THE RESOLUTION. SO.
WELL, AND SOMEWHAT OF COLE'S DEFENSE AS WELL, WE. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS TO SOME EXTENT AND SAID, OKAY, YEAH, IF WE'RE GOING TO NEED A RESOLUTION, WE'VE KIND OF GOT TO GET OUR STUFF TOGETHER TO.
TO MAKE IT. THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T. BECAUSE I THOUGHT. I SAID, HEY, SHOULD WE BRING THIS UP AT THAT. THE TIME FRAME AT THE END? I SAID, NO, WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT. I THINK WE NEED TO GET TOGETHER. LET'S
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FORMULATE A PLAN AND, AND. AND GO FORWARD.THE RESOLUTION IS FINE, BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR.
WE CAN MEET WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS.
OKAY. I JUST. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR BECAUSE HE.
WHEN HE SAID HE COULDN'T, I WAS LIKE. THAT SEEMED A LITTLE CRAZY TO ME.
THERE WAS. THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION AT THE TIME AS TO.
WHAT ALL HAPPENED WAS FOR HIM TO START REWORKING DIFFERENT THINGS. AND SO I. I WANT CLEAR DIRECTION BEFORE STAFF STARTS WORKING ON PROJECTS.
THE TEXT YOU SAID YOU SENT ME WAS THAT COUNCIL WILL NEED A LEAD WITH LEGAL. I ASKED FOR THE MORATORIUM BARS IN ORDER FOR MY TEAM TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS WORK PROPERLY. SINCE YOU GUYS DIDN'T WANT THAT. I DON'T THINK MY TEAM SHOULD BE SPOILED SPENDING THEIR HOURS WORKING ON THINGS UNDER THE GUN.
BUT MY PROPOSAL WASN'T TO DIRECT HIM TO START DOING ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. I HAD ALL THIS WORKED OUT, AND I JUST WANTED TO GET HIS INPUT ON IT TO SEE IS THIS FEASIBLE AND TALK TO THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENT HEAD TO SEE IS THIS EVEN FEASIBLE OR IS THIS NOT SOMETHING WE COULD DO FOR XYZ REASON THAT I'M NOT ACCOUNTING FOR, AND THAT THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION IT WAS GOING TO.
YOU KNOW, I THINK OUR MEETING WITH MIMI WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE PRODUCTIVE IF CHRIS HAD BEEN ALLOWED TO BE THERE TO GIVE US HIS THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS ON THE ISSUE.
HE WASN'T EVEN IN THAT MEETING.
NO, NO. WE RECEIVED OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE EMAIL REQUEST FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE WAS THAT WE ARRIVE AT SOMETHING LIKE WE HAVE TODAY BEFORE WE CONTINUE TO HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH OUR STAFF.
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING IT TOGETHER. I APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF WORK HAVING TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT AND DO THE RESEARCH AND WHATEVER, SO. THANKS.
WELL, IN 90 DAYS, I'LL BE WAITING.
YEAH, WE'LL SEE. WE DID IT SOONER.
WANT ME TO CONTINUE ON MINE? YEP.
THE OTHER ITEM ON THIS AGENDA FOR ME IS 8N RESOLUTION 26248.
SO THIS IS THE LEAN LIST FROM APRIL, MAY, AND JUNE FOR NUISANCE ABATEMENTS THAT OUR CODE COMPLIANCE TEAM HAD TO UNDERTAKE. THERE WAS 27 TOTAL PROPERTIES THAT WE HAD TO ABATE THAT DID NOT PAY FOR THE SERVICES WE HAD TO PROVIDE. SO WE'RE GOING TO LEAN THAT AMOUNT BACK ON THOSE PROPERTIES. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM ON HERE FOR ME IS 8Q RESOLUTION 26251.
SO THIS IS A RESOLUTION TO AMEND OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH CORNERSTONE INVESTMENTS.
THEY'RE THE DEVELOPER WHO ARE GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTING THE APARTMENT COMPLEX JUST SOUTH OF SAM'S CLUB AND THE LAKE MANAWA POWER CENTER. SO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL THEY HAD WAS FOR 280 UNITS. THEY WERE GRANTED APPROVAL BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. ONCE THEY RECEIVED THEIR TAX CREDITS, THE TAX INDICATORS CAME BACK AND SAID, 280 UNITS, THAT'S KIND OF A RISKY DEVELOPMENT FOR US. WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO REDUCE THAT DOWN TO 210. SO THEY REDUCED IT DOWN TO 210, BUT BY DOING SO THEN THEY CHANGED THE VALUATION OF THE PROJECT FROM 30 MILLION DOWN TO 22. AND SO WE JUST RENEGOTIATED THE TIF WITH THEM. WE KEPT THE SAME TERM 15 YEARS AT SAME 75%. WE JUST DROPPED IT DOWN TO 6.5 MILLION FOR THE 9 MILLION TO ACCOUNT FOR THE CHANGE IN VALUATION.
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL REAL QUICK. I HAD SEEN THIS YEARS AGO COMING THROUGH PLANNING, AND WE HAD VOTED FOR THAT. IS THIS A MATERIAL ENOUGH CHANGE WHERE I CAN VOTE TONIGHT OR SHOULD I ABSTAIN WITH THIS? I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT A NUMBER OF TIMES, BUT EACH TIME IT COMES UP, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GOT PAST ALL THOSE.
SO I KNOW I'D LIKE TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION AND SAY ABSTAIN.
8J2 NEW FULL TIME UTILITY WORKER, TWO POSITIONS IN PUBLIC WORKS.
SO IF YOU REMEMBER, MOST OF YOU ANYWAY WOULD REMEMBER A TRANSFER JURISDICTION OF KAINESVILLE THAT OCCURRED BACK IN 2023 THAT DIDN'T BECOME EFFECTIVE UNTIL LAST YEAR WHEN THE FINAL PAYMENT WAS MADE.
WHEN THAT OCCURRED, WE IDENTIFIED THE NEED TO ADD ADDITIONAL STAFF BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL LANE MILES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ROADWAY.
ALSO, THERE'S BEEN ADDITIONAL SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE'RE JUST FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THAT PLAN WITH THESE TWO ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES.
EMPLOYEES. THESE ARE ENTRY LEVEL SKILLED LABOR POSITIONS WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS.
IS THERE A DOLLAR AMOUNT ON ANY OF THAT, MATT, OR A ROUGH BALLPARK? ENTRY LEVEL, THE POSITION'S LESS THAN 50,000 PLUS BENEFITS. PROBABLY 80ISH, I WOULD GUESS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE 8K AS WELL, MATT.
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WE DID INCLUDE THAT IN THE FY27 BUDGET. SO IT'S NOT A CHANGE TO THE BUDGET BECAUSE WE WERE PLANNING ON THAT ADDITIONAL STAFF WITHIN THE TRAFFIC DIVISION.SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE CREATED A TRAFFIC ENGINEER POSITION RATHER THAN A SUPERVISOR POSITION. I THINK THAT WAS ROUGHLY SIX YEARS AGO.
SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE STRUGGLED TO KEEP THAT POSITION FULL, FULLY STAFFED. WE'VE PROBABLY HAD IT VERY VACANT ABOUT HALF THAT TERM. RECENTLY OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER LEFT AND WE HAVE NOT FILLED THAT POSITION. AND SO OUR REQUEST IS TO ABOLISH THAT POSITION AND GO BACK TO A TECHNICIAN POSITION, WHICH WILL BE MORE IN THE FIELD. THAT RESULTS IN A COST SAVINGS.
I WAS GOING TO SAY. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT SOMETIMES YOU CAN SLIDE THEM BY. RIGHT? NOPE, WE'RE GONNA KEEP THAT IN PLACE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
8L IS THE APPOINTMENT OF MICHELLE TO THE DIRECTOR OF HR.
I'M GONNA JUST JUMP REAL QUICK TO 8O IS CONFIRMING RONNIE SCHULTZ TO THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICE AND HEAD BUILDING DIVISION OF THE CITY OF CONSPULS AS WELL.
IS A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WITH EDEN WALTON. IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HIRED THEM EARLIER THIS YEAR TO BE OUR LOBBYISTS UP IN DES MOINES. WITH THE CHANGE. STILL A LOT OF THINGS IN FLUX AS FAR AS THE PROPERTY TAX AND OTHER ITEMS THAT MAYBE PERHAPS WE DIDN'T KEEP AN EYE ON BECAUSE WE WERE ALL FOCUSED ON THE PROPERTY TAX BILLS.
THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT GOT PASSED THAT WE JUST DIDN'T SEE HAPPENING. AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, IS THAT WE WOULD HIRE THEM FOR THIS UPCOMING LEGISLATIVE SESSION AS WELL.
DO WE HAVE ANY MEASUREMENTS OR ANYTHING THAT THEY HAVE TO ABIDE BY? OR WE JUST KIND OF FEEL IT OUT AND SAY, YEAH, THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB OR THEY'RE STRUGGLING OR. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.
YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MEASUREMENTS AS FAR AS THAT.
THEY DO A WEEKLY CALL WITH US, RECAPS. THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A DAY ON THE HILL TOGETHER FOR ME AND THE STAFF TO GO UP AND MEET WITH DIFFERENT ELECTED OFFICIALS.
AND THEN WE ASK OUR. OR THEY ASK US WHAT ARE OUR TOPICS THAT THEY REALLY FOCUS IN ON AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY GO OUT AND TRY TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN FOR US.
YEARS AGO, WE HAD. WE HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH IOWA WESTERN, THE COUNTY AND US. YEAH, WE SPLIT THE COST OF THIS CONSULTANT OR THIS POSITION.
IS THAT. HAVE YOU TALKED WITH THEM AT ALL ABOUT THIS? BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT SEEMED TO WORK WELL, AND THE BODY OF WORK WAS COVERED PRETTY WELL WITH. AND THE COST WAS SHARED BETWEEN, LIKE I SAID, IOWA WESTERN, THE COUNTY, THE CITY, AND MAYBE CB SCHOOLS AS WELL. I THINK IT WAS A.
IT WAS A. I REMEMBER THE COUNTY AND I REMEMBER IOWA WESTERN. I DON'T RECALL THE SCHOOLS OR NOT.
I DON'T RECALL THEIR OWN LOBBY.
YEAH, BUT I THINK THE COUNTY AND IOWA WESTERN, WE. IT WAS A SHARED POSITION. THAT'S WHEN WE HIRED BRENT. BRENT SEGRASS.
YEAH, ORIGINALLY. HAVE YOU EXPLORED THAT AT ALL, OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU LOOK AT TO TALK WITH THE COUNTY OR NAO WESTERN ABOUT THAT? I THINK IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL. I THINK SO.
HAPPY TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT.
APPLICATIONS, PERMITS AND CANCELLATIONS. ALL RIGHT, THAT IS OUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING. SO THE OTHER THING WE HAVE TODAY THEN IS CITY COUNCIL RULES AND PROCEDURES DISCUSSION. THANK YOU, GUYS. THANKS, EVERYBODY.
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OF ATTORNEYS.I ASSUME RIHANNA. I THOUGHT I WAS. I SENT.
SO LET'S MAKE IT SPEEDY. GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND OUT OR NO.
WELL, I GUESS WE COULD. WELL, IT WOULD BE OUT OF ORDER. THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY ISSUE. BUT TONY WOULD GET YOU.
EXAM SESSION HAS TO HAPPEN OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING. I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY JUST GO THROUGH THIS IF WE CAN GO THROUGH IT RELATIVELY QUICKLY.
HAVE YOU MET THESE FIVE? DO YOU JUST WANT TO GO ONE BY ONE OR HOW YOU GUYS GONNA DO IT? THERE SEEMS TO BE RED MARKS ON ALL OF THEM.
GOTCHA. DO WE WANT TO CHANGE IT TO START AT 6? THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION.
AND I'LL JUST GIVE MY ADVICE TO. THIS IS A POLICY CHOICE.
THERE'S NO LEGAL CONSTRAINT ON STARTING AT SIX. SO THAT IS UP TO YOU.
AND I WROTE THAT AGAIN, COMING FROM PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH STARTED AT 6 AND DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT MADE A DIFFERENCE TO ANYBODY. AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A STRONG OPINION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IT WAS MORE JUST THAT THERE WAS A DISCUSSION POINT WHERE SOMEBODY THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO STAY AFTER STUDY SESSION INSTEAD OF LEAVING, THEN THAT 6 O' CLOCK WOULD KEEP YOU IN THAT WINDOW THERE WHERE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO PROBABLY LEAVE IN BETWEEN.
I WOULD SAY, AS SOMEBODY WHO GOES HOME AND HAS KIDS AND MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THEM IN BETWEEN, STAY. IT'S NICE TO BE ABLE TO GO HOME, SEE THEM, AND THEN COME BACK IF WE HAVE TIME. WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF TIME, BUT THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.
LIKE, IF WE GET DOWN HERE AT 06, I CAN GO HOME FOR A HALF HOUR, SEE THE KIDS. SEVEN TO EIGHT, WE'RE HERE. EIGHT THIRTY, THEY'RE IN BED.
THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.
EITHER WAY, I DON'T HAVE KIDS.
SO YOU GOT DOGS? I HAVE A DOG. I DO LOVE SEEING HER BETWEEN MEETINGS.
I WOULD JUST. THAT'S MY PERSONAL THING. KEEP IT A SEVEN.
YOU GOT KIDS? I HAVE KIDS, BUT I DON'T GO HOME AND SEE THEM BECAUSE BY THE TIME I GET HOME, THEN IT'S. THEN THEY'RE LIKE, DAD, WHERE ARE YOU GOING? AND I KNOW.
I'M GLAD DOUG BROUGHT THIS UP.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT MY AMENDMENT FOUR. SO I PROVIDED A HANDOUT TO EVERYBODY THAT HAS THE CITY LOGO AT THE TOP.
AMENDMENT FOUR. I'M SORRY, LET ME LOOK AND SEE WHERE I'M AT.
AMENDMENT 4 IS RULE 70, PARTICIPATION AT REGULAR AND SPECIAL MEETINGS.
SO AMENDMENT FIVE, THIS IS A FIX THAT. THAT MAKES SURE THAT OUR CITY COUNCIL RULES AND OUR CHARTER ARE COHESIVE. SO BASICALLY, THE MAYOR MAY CALL A SPECIAL MEETING ONLY WITH THE CONSENT OF A MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. OUR COUNCIL RULES ALLOWED THE MAYOR TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING, BUT THAT WAS INCONSISTENT WITH OUR CHARTER. SO THE AMENDMENT PROPOSED THERE IN AMENDMENT 5 ENSURES THAT. I MEAN, AND REALLY THIS HAPPENS IN PRACTICE, WHERE JODY CALLS AND GETS AND TAKES A POLL OF YOUR AVAILABILITY. SO THAT'S REALLY JUST TO CLEAN UP.
CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO ABILITY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, DOUG, ABOUT IS THE MAYOR THE ONLY PERSON? THE ANSWER IS YES, THE ONLY SINGULAR PERSON.
BUT IT'S WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL. THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL COULD OTHERWISE CALL A SPECIAL MEETING, BUT THAT.
WE NEED TO CLEAN THAT UP TO ALLOW THE MAYOR TO DO THAT AS WELL.
IF JODY WERE TO GET IN TOUCH WITH US, SHE'S ASKING US, ARE YOU AVAILABLE FOR A MEETING? IS THE QUESTION REALLY, DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING? THAT'S A FAIR POINT. SO IT SHOULD. THAT SHOULD BE MORE OF THE QUESTION, I GUESS.
YEAH. I FEEL LIKE THE QUESTION WOULD BE, DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING ABOUT XY ABOUT FURTHEST TOPIC. SO, YEAH.
AND IF SO, WHEN ARE YOU AVAILABLE? RIGHT.
OR I'VE ALREADY GOTTEN THE MAJORITY. WE'RE HAVING A SPECIAL MEETING. WHEN ARE YOU AVAILABLE? YEAH.
CORRECT. IF THE FIRST THREE YOU CALL, YEAH. SAY, YEAH, HEY, WE'RE HAVING ONE. OR YOU.
AND SOMETIMES, LIKE WITH THE FIREWORKS THINGS THAT WOULD BE.
THAT WAS MY OFFICE REQUESTING THE SPECIAL MEETING. NOT NECESSARILY THE MAYOR OR ANYBODY ELSE.
BUT AGAIN, YOU CALL US IF WE SAY NO.
OKAY. ITEM C IS STUDY SESSIONS SHALL CONCLUDE BY 5PM THIS IS STEVE'S AND THIS IS A POLICY
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CHOICE. THERE'S NO LEGAL ISSUE.MY CONCERN IS FOR THE STAFF THAT'S HERE TILL THEY'VE BEEN RUNNING OVER.
SOMETIMES THEY'RE WAY LATE INTO THE NIGHT. I'D LIKE TO JUST SEE US MANAGE OUR TIME AND RESPECT THEIR TIME BECAUSE THEY'RE AWAY FROM FAMILY FOR EIGHT HOURS AND I THINK WE CAN DO OUR BUSINESS BETWEEN AND ARE YOU SAYING MOVE COUNCIL STUDY SESSION UP ? NO, I, I'M AT . I JUST TALKING OUT.
YEAH, WOULDN'T. I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND AND I GET YOUR POINT. I DON'T, I DON'T. I. I THINK 11 YEARS SITTING HERE, THAT'S TOUGH WITH. I FEEL LIKE OUR AGENDAS ARE MORE FULL NOW THAN THEY EVER HAVE BEEN.
I THOUGHT THERE'D BE A LOT OF MEETINGS WHERE WE'D BE RUSHING THROUGH.
I THINK IF STAFF. I THINK IF THERE'S NOT AN IMPORTANT ITEM ON THE AGENDA OR IF WE'VE REVIEW, IF WE'VE REVIEWED EVERYTHING THAT STAFF.
LIKE IF ANTONIA FROM THE LIBRARY DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THERE, I THINK SHE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE. RIGHT. IF MATT COX HAS A BRIDGE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE CITY, I THINK THAT'S JUST AS IMPORTANT AS ANYTHING.
THEY SHOULD BE HERE TILL WE'RE DONE TALKING ABOUT IT AND THEN THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO LEAVE. BUT I, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF, LIKE I SAID, THE LIBRARY GAL, ANTHONY DOESN'T NEED TO SIT HERE UNTIL 7 O' CLOCK IF SHE DOESN'T HAVE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
OR ANDY. YEAH, THAT'S MY OPINION.
AND I MEAN ANDY JUST CAME TONIGHT.
YEAH, HE NORMALLY. BUT LIKE EVEN, EVEN FINANCE.
RIGHT, FINANCE. NOTHING ON THE.
IN THE INTEREST OF THAT THOUGH, WHAT DO WE NEED TO MAYBE CONSIDER CHANGING OUR START TIME FOR THE STUDY SESSION TO 3 O' CLOCK TO MAKE SURE SURE WE'RE OUT BY THAT TIME TO BACK IT UP SOME. THAT WAY WE'RE SPENDING MORE TIME WITHIN THEIR REGULAR WORKING HOURS.
I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE.
AGAIN, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT IS THEIR WORKING HOURS.
THAT GIVES US BOTH. GIVES TWOFOLD. IT GIVES US MORE TIME OF THEIRS THAT WE'RE ALREADY.
RIGHT. IT HELPS IN THAT REGARD. BUT THEN IT ALSO DOESN'T KEEP US. IF WE'RE CONCERNED WITH THIS IS THAT AN HOUR AND 15 MINUTES IS TOO SHORT. IT GIVES US.
IN THEORY TWO HOURS AND, AND MOST THE TIME WE SHOULD.
WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO GET DONE BEFORE AGAIN.
BUT IF WE HAVE A. OBVIOUSLY YOU SAW TONIGHT WE HAD A RATHER, YOU KNOW, COLORFUL DISCUSSION AT POINTS AND SOME OF THOSE. I DON'T WANT TO CUT A DISCUSSION SHORT UP HERE BECAUSE FIVE O'CLOCK.
BECAUSE WE'RE AFRAID OF. OF TWO HOURS OR TWO MINUTES OVERTIME.
IT'S NOT REALLY ANYTHING ELSE.
I WOULD ALSO BE AMENABLE, WHICH I AGREE. I THINK WE SHOULD IF TO RELEASING PEOPLE MAYBE AFTER A CERTAIN POINT THAT.
BUT THEN WHO. IF YOU ALWAYS MAKE MATT COX GO LAST, HE'S GONNA GO, WELL WHY DO I GOTTA GO LAST EVERY TIME? YEAH.
I DON'T THINK MAYBE WE DO A ROUND ROBIN TYPE OF THING.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND I THINK.
I MEAN THE DIRECTORS, IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING IMPORTANT, THEY WILL STAY BECAUSE I THINK THEY WANT TO BE INVOLVED.
WELL. AND I THINK WHAT THEY'VE LEARNED IS THAT THESE DISCUSSIONS SOMETIMES TAKE A LEFT TURN AND WE PULL PEOPLE UP TO ASK ABOUT SOMETHING.
I LIKE HAVING THEM THERE JUST FOR THAT EXACT REASON.
SO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, STARTING AT 3. 3 INSTEAD OF.
ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH 3 O'? CLOCK? I'M GOOD WITH 3.
I'M OKAY WITH 3. BUT I WAS GONNA SAY I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SET A HARD CUT OFF OR TWO.
WE'LL COME FOR APPROVAL AT THE NEXT MEETING.
I THINK A HARD CUT OFF AT 5 IS TOUGH, BUT I THINK STARTING EARLIER MIGHT JUST HELP IN GENERAL.
YEAH, YEAH. YOU'RE JUST CONCERNED.
THOUGHT SOME OF THEM HAVEN'T ATE DINNER AND THEY'RE SITTING THROUGH LIKE ME.
ME TOO. BUT THEY'VE BEEN HERE ALL DAY.
NO, I UNDERSTAND. NO, I AGREE WITH MICHELLE HAD TO STICK AROUND AFTER THE MEETING. THE ONE TIME. POOR GAL HAD TO HANG OUT TILL LIKE 9 O'.
YEAH. NO, I, I THINK. I THINK STARTING AT 3 WILL HELP YOUR THOUGHT IN GENERAL. SO I, I AGREE WITH THAT.
BUT THE HARD STOP IS TOUGH BUT.
SO CAN YOU HAVE A RESOLUTION ON THE NEXT AGENDA? SO THAT WON'T START UNTIL AUGUST MEETING.
JUST REMIND US BECAUSE I'LL SHOW UP AT .
YEAH. WE'RE LIABLE TO SCREW THIS UP, JENNY.
MORE THAN LIKELY THE BABYSITTING PORTION OF MY JOB. OKAY.
FOR THE DRESS CODE. YOU MAY ADOPT A DRESS CODE, BUT ENFORCEMENT WILL BE TRICKY BECAUSE YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY YOUR
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OWN BOSSES. SO IT WOULD BE LIKE PEER PRESSURE, YOU KNOW, I FEEL.I WAS GONNA SAY THE LAST ONE IS VERY TARGETED TO ONE INDIVIDUAL.
I DON'T HAVE ANY HAIR ON MY HEAD.
LUCKILY YOU GOT A GOOD CATHOLIC EDUCATION, BUDDY.
THE PROBLEM IS, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS, LIKE, RACIAL PROFILING.
ALL YOU GUYS GOT FULL HEADS OF HAIR, AND I'M OVER HERE SITTING HERE BALD, A LITTLE LIGHT UP.
I WOULD SAY THAT JOE AND ROGER ARE GENERALLY RUNNING FROM WORK, SO.
TOO. AGREED. THAT'S WHERE I'M.
I'M TIP. I COULD BE TAKING A POST HOLE AT . RIGHT. LIKE, HE COULD BE ON THE FRYER AND, YOU KNOW, WEAR A POLO SHIRT.
I. I DON'T TYPICALLY WEAR A HAT, BUT, I MEAN, I COULD IF YOU WANT ME TO.
I KNOW EVERYBODY'S PROBABLY LIKE, MAN, I CAN'T BELIEVE DOUG DIDN'T BRING THIS UP.
BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU GUYS COME FROM. I'LL JUST TELL YOU MY THOUGHTS. WE REPRESENT THE CITY WHEN WE'RE SITTING UP HERE. AND TO ME, THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT JOB.
AND SO I WANT TO TRY AND PRESENT MYSELF AS BEING A PROFESSIONAL IN THAT PARTICULAR CAPACITY.
BUT I'VE ALWAYS DONE THAT, RIGHT? MY JOB HAS BEEN IN BANKING. THAT'S WHERE I CAME FROM. THAT WAS MY WORLD. I GET IT. YOU GUYS, YOU MAKE YOUR MONEY A DIFFERENT WAY, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY IT'S BAD FOR THIS PARTICULAR JOB. I'VE ALWAYS FELT THAT I WANTED TO PRESENT MYSELF IN A WAY THAT WAS PROFESSIONAL SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE SAW ME, THEY WOULD SAY, OKAY, YEAH, HE'S TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY, AND THIS WAS HIS DEAL. THAT'S MY OWN TAKE. I DIDN'T.
THAT WAS MY THOUGHT PROCESS WHEN I SUGGESTED THIS.
WELL, AND FOR ME, ON THE FLIP SIDE, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT I THINK JOE AND I REPRESENT THE PEOPLE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN.
RIGHT. LIKE, NOT THAT IT'S EITHER SIDE, GOOD OR BAD. WE REPRESENT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, IN THE OFFICE. I'M OUT IN THE FIELD, OR HE'S IN THE BACK OF THE KITCHEN OR, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER. COLE CAME FROM THE JAIL. YOU COULD HAVE CAME IN YOUR UNIFORM, RIGHT? THAT YOU.
I MIGHT GET IN TROUBLE IF I WAS. IF I HAD THE SHERIFF'S LOGO ON MY CHEST.
BUT, I MEAN, SOME DAYS I CAN GO CHANGE.
TODAY I TOLD YOU I WAS IN SHORTS AND A T SHIRT. I WENT AND PUT ON A POLO.
WHICH TO ME IS WHAT I WEAR IN MY PROFESSIONAL.
RIGHT. WHEN I'M NOT IN THE FIELD. LIKE THIS IS.
IN A MATTER. WE PUT A DRESS CODE OUT FOR THE REST OF THE CITY. AND WHEN WE'RE ASKING OTHERS TO DRESS PROFESSIONALLY IN THEIR POSITION OF WORK IN THE CITY, THEN I FEEL THAT I SHOULD REPRESENT THAT PROFESSIONALLY HERE. AND THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN A SPORT COAT, BUT IT DOES MEAN.
DO YOU THINK THIS IS ACCEPTABLE, DRESS CASUAL? YEAH.
I'M NOT BEING CASUAL. I'M JUST ASKING, LIKE THIS, IS THIS PROFESSIONAL? I MEAN, I WOULD RATHER SEE A DRESS SHIRT.
YEAH. ROG. AND I USUALLY WEAR POLO SHIRTS.
BUT LIKE WHEN I, WHEN I WORK, LIKE I MEET WITH ANYBODY AT THE BEEF, WHATEVER IT IS LIKE BUSINESS CASUAL TO US IS POLOS.
LIKE NOBODY. I MEAN, IF, IF YOU WANT TO WEAR A BUTTON DOWN, YOU CAN.
BUT BUSINESS CASUAL, THIS IS BUSINESS CASUAL TO ME.
I WOULD SAY IN WINTER TIME, I'M WEARING SWEATERS. YOU KNOW, I THINK, WHAT IS OUR BUSINESS BUSINESS CASUAL FOR THE CITY? WELL, THERE WASN'T ONE STAFF WITH A COAT ON. RIGHT. SO I THINK, MATT, LIKE, IF THAT'S MEETING THE VISUAL BUSINESS CASUAL OF WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING OUT OF STAFF, THEN I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
I THINK IT IS. I WOULD SAY THIS IS BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF OUR STAFF HAD POLLS ON TODAY.
SO I. BUT I AGREE. I WOULD NEVER STUDY SESSION. THERE'S TIMES WHEN I'VE SHOWED UP IN A T SHIRT. I MEAN, I'M JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU. AND THERE'S GOING TO BE TIMES WHEN IT HAPPENS, BUT TYPICALLY, IF WE HAVE TIME TO GO AND CHANGE, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY PUT ON A POLO BUSINESS CASUAL AS BEST WE CAN. AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT'S IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT.
AGAIN, I'M UP HERE COMING FROM THE GYM, COMING FROM THE BACKGROUND THAT I WANT THE EXPECTATIONS TO BE UP HERE. I DON'T WANT TO JUST CRAWL OVER THE BAR.
AND SOMETIMES THAT MEANS HOW YOU PRESENT YOURSELF AND WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE AND OKAY, YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE HOT.
IT'S ALWAYS EASIER, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'D BE EASIER FOR ME TO WEAR SHORTS AND T SHIRT EVERY DAY. I'M SWEATING RIGHT NOW.
SO I JUST. THAT'S MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON IT. IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD IF WE DON'T DO IT.
I TOTALLY GET THAT. I THINK THESE GUYS WOULD AGREE. MAYBE WE CAN JUST AGREE TO DRYING UP THE GAME A LITTLE BIT. LIKE, LET'S JUST TRY IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND BE A LITTLE BETTER.
THAT'D BE A SWEET LOOK ON YOU.
SO WE DO NOT HAVE A FIRM DIRECTIVE FOR A CHANGE.
BUT WE ALL AGREE ON WHERE WE'RE AT.
GENTLEMEN. SAME GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT.
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THE REST OF THE STAFF, I MEAN, DRESSED FROM.WITH THE UNDERSTANDING WE'RE AT LEAST BUSINESS CASUAL.
THERE IS THE DESIGNATION OF MAYOR PRO TEM IS SILENT.
WELL, IT'S THE MAYOR'S DESIGNATION AND THE MAYOR'S ALONE. AND IT'S SILENT ON WHETHER SHE CAN CHANGE IT MIDTERM. SO AT THIS POINT, THE CHART AND THAT'S PUT FORTH IN THE CHARTER ARTICLE 3, SECTION 3. SO THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, SHE CAN REDESIGNATE AT ANY TIME. AND I ADVISED HER BECAUSE INITIALLY I HAD DRAFTED A RESOLUTION. I SAID, OH, WAIT A SECOND.
THIS POWER LIES SOLELY WITH THE MAYOR. SO A RESOLUTION WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THAT WOULD PUT IT TO A VOTE OF THE COUNCIL. SO THEN WE CHANGED IT AND JUST DID A FORMAL DECLARATION.
DO WE NEED TO SPECIFY THAT IN OUR COUNCIL RULES? IF IT'S IN THE OTHER ONE TO SAY A CHANGE CAN BE MADE AT ANY TIME AT MAYOR'S DISCRETION.
YOU'RE SAYING IT'S ALREADY IN THE. IT'S ALREADY CODIFIED UNDER. UNDER HER CHARTER.
IT'S SILENT ON THAT ISSUE IN THE CHARTER. SO WE'RE FINE RIGHT NOW WITH IT.
AND ACTUALLY, MAYOR WALSH OFTEN DIDN'T HAVE ONE.
HE WOULD WILLY NILLY JUST CALL SOMEBODY.
HE DID THAT ONE TIME AND THEN WAS AT THIS LAST.
HE WAS AT THE P. SPEAKING ON MATT'S BEHALF.
ARE THERE LIMITS ON WHAT THE MAYOR CAN DISCUSS OR PRESENT DURING DISCUSSIONS AS THEY. AS THE MAYOR HAS NO VOTE, IS THE MAYOR ABLE TO CONTINUE TO LOBBY THEIR POSITION WITHOUT LIMIT? SO THERE'S NO STATUTORY OR CHARTER LIMIT ON DISCUSSIONS. THE CHARTER EXPRESSLY LETS THE MAYOR TAKE PART IN DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDED MEASURES. THE COUNCIL CAN ADOPT DEBATE LIMITS IF IT WOULD LIKE, BUT IT CAN'T BAR THE MAYOR FROM DISCUSSION ALTOGETHER WITHOUT CONFLICTING WITH THE CHARTER. AND THEN WE'VE TALKED ALSO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC RULES OF, WELL, THIS, THIS DIED. IT DIDN'T GET VOTED DOWN. SO THEN THAT COULD STILL BE A LIVE ISSUE AS OPPOSED TO GETTING VOTED DOWN. ALSO THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, LET'S SAY THE MORATORIUM, WHICH GOT VOTED DOWN 5, 0 PUBLIC CAN COME AND SPEAK ON ANYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO SPEAK ON. AND SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT DOES. AND THE REASON WHY I WAS BRINGING THAT UP WAS WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS AT STUDY SESSION AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS WHERE WE, WE ASK THEM TO SPEAK AND WE HAVE PARTICULAR QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM, OR IF YOU'RE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, THEN WE ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OF THOSE FOLKS. SHE HAS KIND OF AN ABILITY TO SPEAK AS FACILITATOR OF THE MEETING. AND SO IF SHE HAS THE ABILITY TO SPEAK WHENEVER AS SHE'S PRESENTING THE THINGS.
BUT THEN IS SAYING, WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO DO X, ARE WE STILL WITHIN THE RULES OF THE MEETING WHEN WE'RE HANDLING IT THAT WAY? THAT'S KIND OF, KIND OF WHERE THIS WAS COMING FROM IS ARE THERE ANY LIMITS WHEN SHE'S FACILITATING THE MEETING, BUT THEN SAYING, WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING X.
BECAUSE WE ALWAYS HAVE OTHER PEOPLE. THEY HAVE LIMITS.
YEAH, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A LIMITATION CURRENTLY.
WELL, IF WE ASK THEM QUESTIONS.
AND SPEAK WITHOUT SAYING, HEY, YEAH, YOU COULD. THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE YOU COULD ADOPT UNIFORM LIMITS.
BUT THEY WOULD APPLY. THEY WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO APPLY EQUALLY TO THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
OKAY, BUT WE CAN CALL FOR THE VOTE.
WHAT'S THAT? YEAH, WE CAN CALL FOR THE VOTE.
WHAT IF THE COUNCIL MEMBER WAS NOT ON THE PREVAILING SIDE? WHAT ARE THEIR OPTIONS FOR RECONSIDERATION? DOES THIS NEED TO BE OUTLINED? SO UNDER ROBERT'S RULES, ONLY A PREVAILING SIDE MEMBER MAY MOVE TO RECONSIDER. AND THAT IS INTENTIONAL KIND OF FOR WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE ON THE LOSING SIDE AND YOU WANT TO RE. BRING IT UP. RE. BRING IT UP. I MEAN, THAT WOULD REALLY CONTRADICT WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT EARLIER. SO A MEMBER ON THE LOSING SIDE COULD MOVE AT A LATER MEETING TO RESCIND OR TO AMEND SOMETHING PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED OR TO BRING A MATTER BACK AS A NEW AGENDA ITEM UNDER RULE 2C.
BUT NO, THE. I THINK THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE RULE THAT ONLY THE PREVAILING SIDE
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MEMBER MAY RECONSIDER.YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. I MEAN, SO HAPPENED WITH THE MEDIANS.
YOU'RE NOT NEW COUNCIL MEMBER OR A PREVAILING SIDE ONE.
BROUGHT IT BACK UP TO RE FOR RECONSIDERATION AND IT WAS CHANGED. OKAY.
I WILL LET COLE SPEAK TO HIS PROPOSAL, BUT I WILL SAY THAT IT'S LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE TO CHANGE KIND OF OUR.
PRACTICE OF DISCUSSION VERSUS MOTION.
NOTHING IN IOWA LAW OR THE CHARTER REQUIRES A MOTION BEFORE DISCUSSION.
SO WE MOVED ON TO KIND OF CHANGING THE WAY. SO THIS IS REALLY JUST A DECORUM PREFERENCE FOR YOU TO CHOOSE.
I THINK YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT IT AT ONE POINT.
WE DID. I THINK WE WERE OUT OF THE MEETING. SO IT WAS JUST ME AND DOUG WERE IN THE ROOM AND WE WERE KIND OF DISCUSSING IT WITH JILL A BIT. AND WE'VE KIND OF DONE BASICALLY WHAT ME AND DOUG ARE KIND OF SUGGESTING IS WHAT WE'VE DONE AT SOME OF THE ITEMS, LIKE, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS THE MORATORIUM OR THE BREED BAN ONE, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A MOTION INITIALLY TO APPROVE OR REJECT. WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE LET THE PUBLIC SPEAK AND THEN THE COUNCIL SPOKE ON THEIR OPINIONS ON THE ISSUE. I WANT TO SAY IT WAS THE BREED BANKS. I KNOW I WAS THE ONLY ONE ON THAT ONE.
AND SO THEN WE HAD THE DISCUSSION AND THEN THE MOTION WAS MADE AND THEN WE VOTED, WHICH I THOUGHT BECAUSE THERE WAS OTHER ONES, LIKE THE STEM SCHOOL, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE WE HEARD FROM ALL THE PUBLIC. BUT THEN BECAUSE THE MOTION DIDN'T GET A SECOND, IT DIED WITHOUT ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE COUNCIL.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH HOW I'VE SEEN IT DONE ON OTHER GOVERNING BODIES. I KNOW A LOT. YOU KNOW, SO THIS. THIS I JUST THINK WOULD BE A MORE FAIR WAY TO DO IT. IT'S. IT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM.
SHE READS IT, EVERYBODY GETS TO TALK.
PUBLIC GETS TO TALK. THEN COUNCIL, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SO THAT'S HOW PUBLIC HEARINGS HAPPEN TODAY. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING THAT FOR EVERYTHING.
BECAUSE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE THAT WAY TODAY, RIGHT? YEP.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. FOR RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES.
SO THEN DISCUSS BEFORE ANY MOTIONS.
SAY I HAVE A PUBLIC AND COUNCIL. BECAUSE LIKE, EVEN RESOLUTIONS, THEY GET FIVE MINUTES.
SO YOU WANT TO HAVE DISCUSSION BEFORE ANYBODY MAKES A MOTION.
BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID BEFORE, YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION AND THEN VOTE IT DOWN.
OTHER TIMES THERE'S MOTIONS THAT YOU CHANGE BASED ON YOUR DISCUSSIONS.
THAT'S WHAT I'M CHANGE. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, YOU KNOW, SO WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND, YOU KNOW, SO SAY I HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT I WANT TO PROPOSE, AND RIGHT NOW YOU GUYS ARE ALL ON THE FENCE, SO NOBODY WANTS TO SECOND IT FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME REASON. AND, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC OR GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I HAVE POINTS THAT I THINK, OH, IF I CAN JUST SAY THESE POINTS TO YOU GUYS, MAYBE YOU'LL.
THAT NEW INFORMATION WILL CHANGE YOUR OPINION, AND THEN YOU'LL BE LIKE, OH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I DIDN'T THINK OF THAT. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION NOW.
THAT MAKES SENSE, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND I THINK IT DOES KEEP US A LITTLE MORE IN LINE WITH THE OTHER CITY BOARD THAT I WAS ON WITH PLANNING COMMISSION, WHERE IT ALLOWS THAT DISCUSSION PRIOR TO ANY MOTION BETWEEN COUNCIL MEMBERS, BECAUSE IT IS A LITTLE AWKWARD.
I AGREE. I FELT BAD WITH THE STEM SCHOOL IN THAT I WAS A NO VOTE.
BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY GET TO TALK ABOUT IT.
TALK ABOUT AND JUSTIFY TO LET THEM KNOW WHY, BECAUSE IT SEEMED ODD TO ME THAT I WOULD MOVE IT FORWARD WITH THE MOTION AND THEN TURN AROUND AND VOTE IT DOWN. AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE SAY, NOPE, THAT'S FINE. THAT'S A PART OF THE PROCESS. AND WE HAD THE DISCUSSION PRIOR TO ANY MOTION. THEY WOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM. NOW SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION AND THEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE VOTE.
SO LET ME ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION. DO YOU JUST WANT THE COMMENTS DONE? BUT THE WAY HOW IT'S WRITTEN IS THERE'S TWO VOTES THEN ON EVERY ITEM. A MOTION TO CLOSE DISCUSSION AND VOTE ON THAT, AND THEN A MOTION ON THE ITEMS. YEAH.
SO IT CALLS THE PUBLIC HEARING, I THINK, ONLY NOT LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE.
MOTION TO CLOSE DISCUSSION AND APPROVE OR REJECT THE PROPOSAL.
SO BASICALLY, IF THE DISCUSSION KEEPS GOING AND GOING AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO, LIKE. ALL RIGHT, I. I THINK WE'VE HEARD.
RIGHT, RIGHT. IT'S JUST CLARIFYING, LIKE, THE PROCESS OF THAT. SO IF, IF. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO.
SEEING NONE. WELL, YOU KNOW, IS THERE. IS THERE A MOTION, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE DISCUSSION HAS HAPPENED? BUT IF THE DISCUSSION JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON AND ON AND SOMEBODY'S LIKE, ALL RIGHT, I, YOU KNOW, I. MOTION
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TO CLOSE DISCUSSION AND GO INTO A VOTE, THEN IS THERE ANY OBJECTIONS? NO.BUT IF SOMEBODY ELSE IS LIKE, WELL, I WANT TO HEAR MORE, THEN. OKAY, YOU OBJECT. DO YOU WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION? YOU KNOW, YES. OKAY, THEN WE'LL KEEP DISCUSSING.
AND WE DON'T HAVE TO IF YOU GUYS AREN'T. THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN DONE ON OTHER GOVERNING BODIES WHERE IF YOU KNOW IT.
AND IT'S MORE APPLICABLE TO LARGER GOVERNING BODIES WHERE THERE'S TONS OF PEOPLE IN THERE.
BUT THAT WAS THE PROCESS WHERE, IF, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR EXAMPLE, I WAS ON THE STUDENT SENATE AT IOWA STATE AND THERE WAS 30 OF US.
AND SO SOME OF OUR MEETINGS WENT TILL ABOUT 4AM AND.
SO WE WERE. SO WE'D BE DISCUSSING. AND IF THE COMMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, FEEDBACK FROM THE SENATORS JUST KEPT GETTING REDUNDANT AND LIKE, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY NEW INFORMATION AT ANY POINT.
BUT ANYWAY, I THINK JODY KNOWS WHAT WE WANT.
WE SHOULDN'T BE GETTING REPETITIVE COMMENTS. COMMENTS REPETITIVE IN NATURE ANYWAYS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, RIGHT? YEAH.
WE ONLY DID PLANNING. WE DID ONE.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO WRITE OUT.
I FEEL LIKE ROBERT'S RULES KIND OF WHAT TO PUT IN THERE.
LET'S WE DO THAT. SOME OF THAT STUFF ANYWAYS.
SHE'S GETTING PAID. SHE DON'T CARE.
SHE'S JUST RAKING IN THAT CASH.
ALL RIGHT, SO SEVEN, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
NOTE TO SELF. JOE DID NOT MAKE A COMMENT LIKE THAT.
WHAT? JUST A PUBLIC NOTE. JOE DID NOT MAKE A COMMENT.
WELL, I AGREE. I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T CARE. I'M SAYING SHE DOESN'T CARE.
ARE WE ON TO. YEAH. RULE SEVEN, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
SO I THINK WE'VE GOT THIS DOWN PRETTY WELL, WHICH IS THAT WE ARE. WE CAN WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE HOME ADDRESS. AND SO PERHAPS, I GUESS, I'M NOT SURE WHEN YOU SUGGESTED THIS, DOUG, IF YOU ARE WANTING TO KIND OF SOFTEN THE RULE A LITTLE BIT, YOU COULD JUST REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, THEM TO GIVE, LIKE THEIR HOME CITY.
BUT IT'S LEGAL TO ASK THEM TO PROVIDE THAT.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO WAIVE IT, YOU ALSO CAN. CAN DO THAT.
I JUST. WE HAD THE ONE FOLKS COME UP AND THEY WERE HESITANT.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE THE NAME AND ADDRESS BECAUSE THEY WERE FEELING THEY MIGHT GET SOMETHING BACK ON FROM THEIR EMPLOYER. I'VE ALSO SEEN IT THEN COMING THROUGH WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THEIR BUSINESS ADDRESS, BUT WE DON'T SPECIFY IT IN ANY WAY. THEY JUST GIVE A BUSINESS.
SAY YOUR COUSINS OR YOUR MOM'S OR WHATEVER.
I LITERALLY COULD STAND UP THERE AND SAY.
SO THIS WAS MORE JUST QUESTION, MIMI, AS I WAS GOING THROUGH IT, TO SAY, OKAY, DO WE.
DO WE NEED THIS? DO WE NEED THIS? RIGHT.
DO YOU WANT NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE? I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE A NAME AND ADDRESS. THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE AN ADDRESS.
DO I HAVE TO GIVE THEM ADDRESS? NO, YOU REALLY DON'T.
I DO THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE FROM COUNCIL.
I THINK IT'S PERTINENT TO KNOW IF THEY'RE ACTUAL.
LIKE I WOULD SAY IF WE REPRESENT THEM OR NOT.
I CAN SOFTEN THAT LANGUAGE AND.
AND MUST STATE NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. I CAN SOFTEN THAT A LITTLE BIT TO KIND OF ACHIEVE YOUR GOAL THERE.
DO YOU WANT HOME ADDRESS? YOU DON'T WANT THEIR BUSINESS ADDRESSES? OR WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE.
I'M OKAY. THAT THEY GIVE THEIR BUSINESS. I JUST WONDER IF THEY SHOULD IDENTIFY BUSINESS.
WE HAD AN OFFICER SPECIAL SPEAK. I DON'T THINK HE WANTS TO GIVE HIS HOME ADDRESS. A LOT OF THOSE GUYS ARE CORRECT.
SHOULD THEY SPECIFY WITH THE ADDRESS. THIS IS A BUSINESS ADDRESS. YOU KNOW, WHEN JOHN COMES IN FROM HEARTLAND, HE'S GOING TO SAY 535 WEST BROADWAY. ALWAYS.
RIGHT. HIS HOME ADDRESS IS NOT THAT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT MATTERS TO US.
AGAIN, IT'S A NAME AND ADDRESS.
IF SOMEBODY SAYS, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE MY ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, NO, THEY'RE OKAY. SO, OKAY, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED.
OKAY, SO I'LL JUST CHANGE THAT MUST THEN. AND MAKE THAT PERMISSIVE FOR THE ADDRESS PART.
OKAY. THE KEY PART WANTED TO PUT IN THERE THAT WE DON'T ALLOW PUBLIC TO ATTEND VIRTUALLY.
LIKE, WE'RE BACK TO, LIKE, GOD FORBID, WE'RE BACK TO COVET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. DO YOU WANT THAT AS A HARD RULE? AND I WILL SAY WE DON'T TAX.
IT WAS A MESS. FOR COVID AND I DON'T. AND SO. OR IF YOU DON'T WANT IT IN HERE. AND IT'S JUST MY GENERAL RULE THAT I'M GOING TO TELL PEOPLE NO, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. CUZ THAT'S WHAT I DO. DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN HERE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.
WE COULD, I WOULD SAY IF YOU'RE GOING
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TO DO. I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO CARVE OUT ADVERTISE TO THE PUBLIC.WE'RE NOT GOING TO OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC.
NO, ZOOM IS NOT. BECAUSE IT WAS A NIGHTMARE DURING COVID OKAY.
DO WE HAVE AN ADA COMPLIANCE ISSUE WITH THAT? I WOULD THINK SO TOO.
I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY LIKE WE COULD INCLUDE.
YEAH, DO WE NEED TO CARVE THAT? THERE IS, YOU KNOW, EXISTENTIAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
WILL JUST PLAY THE SOUND OUT THERE.
BUT THEY HAVE NO OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE. AN ADA COMPLIANCE ISSUE.
AND I'M FINE WITHOUT YOU MAKING IT A HARD RULE THAT THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE MY.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE AND THAT'S ONE OF MY PROPOSED CHANGES FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS, BUT NOT FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
WOULD YOU ADA REVIEW THAT? I JUST DON'T. I FEEL LIKE SOMEONE'S GONNA.
DID YOU GET INTO THE WEEDS ON THAT PART OF IT? NO, I, I, THAT WAS A QUICK RESEARCH FOR THE AMENDING AND I BELIEVE THAT TO BE TREW.
BUT IT WOULD NEVER HURT TO HAVE WHITNEY TAKE ANOTHER LOOK.
WELL, I JUST. SOMEONE WANTS TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING THAT DIRECTLY AFFECTS THEM AND WE SAY, WELL, YOU CAN'T WALK, SO YOU CAN'T COME IN HERE BECAUSE OUR LEVATOR IS DOWN.
LIKE, SORRY. I MEAN, IF YOU GET US IN TROUBLE.
WELL, AND MOST PEOPLE WHO HAVE MOBILITY ISSUES, THEY TELL US AND HEY, WE'D REALLY LIKE TO COME TO YOU.
YOU CAN DO WELL AND WE CAN ADD THAT. SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO THIS.
OKAY. WE CAN LET IT LIE FOR NOW UNTIL WE GET MORE INFORMATION BACK, I GUESS LEAVE IT AS IT IS, I SUPPOSE.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SILENT ON IT.
WELL, AN ACCOMMODATION. I DON'T. IF THEY REQUEST TO DO IT, I JUST, I TELL THEM THAT WE DON'T ALLOW THAT. AND NOBODY HAS EVER SAID BECAUSE OF ANY SPECIFIC. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. AND LIKE THE GUY THAT WAS IN THE WHEELCHAIR, REMEMBER? YEAH, WE GOT THAT WORKED OUT.
MATT. YEAH, MATT WENT OUT AND BROUGHT HIM HERE.
AND SO IF WE. IF THERE'S SOME BETTER LANGUAGE THAT YOU WANT TO PUT THERE TO COVER US, JUST. WE CAN DO THAT.
FOR THE RETALIATION ISSUE, THE ANSWER IS YES. THERE.
IN SUBSTANCE, THERE'S AN ASSURANCE OF NO RETRIBUTION BECAUSE AN EMPLOYEE SPEAKING IS PROTECTED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT, AND RETALIATION WOULD EXCLUDE THE CITY TO LIABILITY. YOU COULD PUT A SENTENCE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, THAT NO EMPLOYEE SHALL BE SUBJECT TO RETALIATION FOR COMMENTS MADE UNDER THIS RULE, BUT THE PROTECTION EXISTS WHETHER OR NOT YOU ADD THAT SENTENCE.
DO WE WANT TO SPECIFY YES IN OUR CITY CODE? COUNCIL RULES.
EITHER WAY, IF YOU FEEL STRONGLY IT SHOULD BE IN THERE, WE CAN ADD IT AGAIN.
IT JUST MORE OF A QUESTION TO SAY, DO WE HAVE SOME PROTECTION THERE? YOU'RE SAYING WE DO THROUGH FIRST AMENDMENT. DO WE NEED TO OUTLINE IT FURTHER WITHIN THIS, OR DOES THAT CREATE MORE PROBLEMS FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT? I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S PRETTY CUT AND DRIED, BUT I THINK IT'S. I. I'D PROBABLY LEAVE IT OUT. I THINK IT'S. WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE PROTECTED AND. AND NOBODY. THE EMPLOYEES DON'T NECESSARILY SEE COUNCIL RULES OR. THAT WOULDN'T BE WHAT THEY GO TO. THEY WOULD GO TO THEIR OWN THING. OKAY.
I THINK, JODY, THIS ONE'S YOURS.
AND MY. BEFORE YOU SPEAK ON IT, I'LL JUST SAY THIS IS COUNCIL'S CALL, RIGHT? YEAH, IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE PUT IN LAST TIME OR TWO TIMES, GO, WHATEVER, THAT WE DID THIS, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY HANDLED THAT WAY. SO TO ME, THIS SPEAKS TO JUST COUNCIL'S EMPLOYEES, SO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND YOU.
AND SO I HAVE. IN THE YEAR THAT I'VE BEEN CITY ATTORNEY, THERE'S NOT BEEN ANYBODY. THIS ONE I HAD TO REVIEW. I KNOW YOU DID IT SHORTLY BEFORE I BECAME CITY ATTORNEY, AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS PROCESS WAS FOLLOWED BY. OR I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS FOLLOWED.
I THINK THAT EACH OF THEM SHOULD BE. JUST BE
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HANDLED INDIVIDUALLY AS THEY COME TO YOU GUYS, RATHER THAN HAVE THIS, LIKE. I MEAN, THIS WHOLE PROCESS.DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER THIS PROCESS? YEAH.
YEAH. I MEAN, SO YOU JUST WANT TO X OFF THIS WHOLE SECTION.
THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE THIS. I MEAN, IT'S NOT HOW. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THIS ISN'T HOW WE'VE FOLLOWED IT.
WHY WAS IT PUT IN? DO YOU REMEMBER? SO JODY'S POSITION IS UNIQUE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SHE'S IN THE BUILDING WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S. SHE DOESN'T HAVE A BOSS. I DON'T HAVE A BOSS HERE. YOU'RE IN THE BUILDING.
YOU'RE OUR BOSSES. SO I THINK THIS JUST PROVIDED A MECHANISM TO COME TO YOU AND SAY, HEY, I WANT TO RAISE.
WHO WAS IT? WE PUT THIS IN AFTER WE WENT THROUGH THE THING THE LAST TIME WHEN MINE WAS CHANGED.
YEAH, BUT WOULD IT BE HELPFUL TO DO IT THIS WAY OR WE'RE JUST NOT DOING IT OR DOES IT MAKE SENSE JUST NOT TO DO IT THIS WAY? THIS IS A WEIRD SITUATION.
WOULDN'T YOU WANT IT, JODY? WOULDN'T YOU, MIMI? WOULDN'T YOU GUYS WANT IT TO BE AN OPTION TO HAVE A CLOSED SESSION? I MEAN.
WELL, WE CAN DO THAT. WE CAN REQUEST THAT AS AN EMPLOYEE ANYWAY. RIGHT? WELL, IF THERE'S A PERSONNEL MATTER, BUT I DON'T THINK COMPENSATION FALLS UNDER THAT. SO PERSONNEL MATTER IS THAT FOR CLOSED SESSION IS GENERALLY SOMETHING THAT WOULD DAMAGE YOUR PROFESSIONAL REPUTATION.
IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COMPENSATION. IT COULD.
I DON'T. CAN YOU PULL UP THAT CHAPTER, TONY? RIGHT.
YES, BUT IF. AND IF IT WAS AND.
AND THAT THERE WAS A SUPREME COURT CASE CASE THIS YEAR WHERE THERE JUST HAS TO BE THE POSSIBILITY THAT IT'S DAMAGING TO YOUR REPUTATION. WHEREAS PREVIOUSLY IT WAS LIKE THERE WAS. THERE WAS LIKE A SIX MONTH PERIOD WHERE THE.
THERE WAS CASE LAW THAT YOU HAD TO PUT ON EVIDENCE AS TO WHY IT WOULD BE DAMAGING, WHICH WAS NONSENSICAL BECAUSE THEN YOU PUBLICLY STATING THAT YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE REPUTATION. YOUR REPUTATION FOR THESE REASONS.
SO THIS WOULD BE AN EXISTING EMPLOYEE ASKING. SO THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ASK FOR A SESSION.
SO I HAVE THE INFORMATION FROM THE FORMER CITY ATTORNEY THAT SAID TO EVALUATE THE PROFESSIONAL COMPETENCY OF AN INDIVIDUAL, AN APPOINTMENT, HIRING, PERFORMANCE, DISCHARGE, BLAH BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. IT STATES THE LAW AND THEN IT SAYS ENSURE. IF WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THE COMPENSATION, IT IS MOST LIKELY TO INVOLVE THE DISCUSSION OF YOUR PERFORMANCE, NOT KNOWING WHAT WILL BE STATED IN THE DISCUSSION. AND IT COULD POSSIBLY NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE REPUTATION OF THE PERSON. AND THEREFORE IF THE PERSON REQUESTS IT, WE COULD BE SO.
YEAH, YEAH, WELL YOU GUYS CAN GET.
BECAUSE IF THAT CASE IS SINCE THEN.
YEAH. AND THAT'S NOT WHAT'S IN THE RULES ANYWAY. THAT'S JUST A SEPARATE.
JUST GET BACK TO US. I THINK ON THAT. SO WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE DISCUSSING HYPER HYPO HYPOTHETICALS.
ON WHAT YOU GUYS THINK, HOW THIS SHOULD BE HANDLED BECAUSE THIS LITERALLY APPLIES TO THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.
SO, OKAY, IF YOU TURN TO MY PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, THEY'RE PRETTY NON CONTROVERSIAL. SO I THINK WE CAN SKATE THROUGH THESE.
AMENDMENT ONE IS CHANGING RULE ONE G TO CONFORM TO IOWA CODE SECTION 21.8. IT WAS AMENDED.
AND SO NOW OUR RULE SAYS WHEN TECHNOLOGICALLY POSSIBLE, WE HAVE TO MAKE ZOOM AVAILABLE FOR THE ELECTORATE, ELECTED OFFICIALS. THE RULE NOW SAYS THAT WE SHALL PROVIDE IT.
AND PREVIOUSLY THEY WERE. YOU WERE REQUIRED TO GIVE JODY 72 HOURS NOTICE. NOW YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GIVE JODY 72 HOURS NOTICE IF YOU NEED TO BE. BUT BY ZOOM, SHE NEEDS TO BE READY TO MAKE THAT AVAILABLE.
I WOULD LIKE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET IT. LIKE IT WASN'T A LIBRARY WHERE I COULD SEE EVERYBODY.
MARK'S DOING IT. HE WAS GONNA HAVE IT DONE FOR THIS ONE, BUT SINCE WE DIDN'T NEED ZOOM FOR THIS ONE, NOBODY VIRTUAL.
WE'RE GETTING NEW MICROPHONES AND WE'RE GETTING AN OWL CAMERA.
A CAMERA SO YOU CAN SEE THE WHOLE ROOM.
IT'S WHAT WAS OVER IN THE LIBRARY.
WELL, THAT'S UNDER THE IT BUDGET, BUT CAN'T AFFORD IT.
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THAT ONE'S PAINFUL.AMENDMENT TWO IS JUST REFLECTS THAT NEW RULE THAT YOU ALL TAKE THAT OPEN MEETINGS TRAINING AND THAT JODY KEEPS A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION ON FILE.
IS THAT FOR NEW PEOPLE OR LIKE I'VE BEEN ON. DO I HAVE TO? I DON'T KNOW IF I EVER TOOK IT.
NO, YOU DIDN'T BECAUSE YOU WERE ALREADY.
IT WAS RIVET. IT WAS RIVETING STUFF.
I DID. I'VE DONE SOME EXCITING THINGS. THAT IS NOT ONE OF THEM THAT I'M EXCITED ABOUT.
OKAY. AMENDMENT THREE JUST AGAIN CHANGES OUR RULES TO COMPORT WITH STATE LAW.
IOWA CODE SECTION 380.4 REQUIRES THIS LANGUAGE HERE.
THAT IS THE PORTION I ADDED IN.
SO I RECOMMEND YOU MAKE THAT TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW.
AMENDMENT FOUR, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THIS IS JUST SIMPLY A GRAMMAR CLEANUP BECAUSE IT SAID THEY INDICATES AND AMENDMENT TALKED ABOUT 5.
SO AGAIN NOW THIS CLEANUP WILL MAKE OUR RULES COHESIVE WITH THE CHARTER. AND THEN THERE'S JUST SOME NON SUBSTANTIVE CORRECTIONS TO GRAMMAR THAT I PROPOSE. YOU GOOD WITH ALL THOSE? I HAVE NO OBJECTIONS.
OKAY, IF WE ARE GOOD WITH THOSE, THEN, MAYOR, NOW IS THE TIME TO DISCUSS STRATEGY WITH COUNSEL IN MATTERS THAT ARE PRESENTLY IN LITIGATION OR WHERE LITIGATION IS IMMINENT PER CHAPTER 21.5, SUBSECTION 1, SUBSECTION C. SO I'D ASK FOR A MOTION FOR A CLOSED SESSION.
SECOND, AND I WANT TO SAY TWO THINGS REAL QUICK.
NO, IT'S NOT OFF YET BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T MOTIONED IN AND VOTED YET.
SO IN OPEN, NOTHING'S ON YET. I'M TRYING TO STATE THAT BEFORE WE ENTER THE CLOSED SESSION, THE REASON FOR. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS STEPPING ON YOUR TOES A LITTLE BIT, MAYOR. WE CAN KIND OF WORK THAT OUT. BUT I WANT TO STATE THAT REASON THAT WE ARE TAKING THE MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION BEFORE WE TAKE IT. AND ONE THING I FORGOT TO SAY EARLIER, AND I DON'T WANT TO FORGET TO SAY IS THAT IN TERMS OF SAVING TIME, I'VE TOLD MAYOR AND ALSO JODY THAT THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA DO NOT HAVE TO BE READ IN FULL. THE WRITTEN DETAILS PRINTED IN THE NOTICE. THAT IS WHAT THE LAW SAYS ABOUT NOTICE. SO WE DO NOT HAVE TO READ LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS. WE DON'T HAVE TO READ IT VERBATIM. SHE CAN SUMMARIZE BECAUSE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, THAT'S THE NOTICE. SO A LITTLE WAY TO SAVE TIME.
SO, LIKE WHEN I READ ALL THE ITEMS, I CAN JUST SAY THE RESOLUTION NUMBER.
I MEAN, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST FOR EVERYBODY'S, FOR OUR KNOWLEDGE IF YOU GIVE A LITTLE TITLE OR A LITTLE SUMMARY, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ IT VERBATIM.
SO I DON'T HAVE TO HEAR THE LEFT THIRD QUARTER ACRE OF THE LEFT THIRD QUARTER ACRE.
I THINK SOME OF THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN UP.
BUT LIKE THE STANDARD, LIKE, I MEAN, SCROLLED IN REGARDS TO THIS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND.
SO ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, ORDINANCE 6A, I THINK SHOULD BE READ 6B, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO GET. I MEAN, THAT ONE.
NOBODY CARES ABOUT THAT. BUT I THINK THE FIRST PART SHOULD BE READ AND THEN, WELL, THANK GOD WE DO CARE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE CARE ABOUT THAT.
THEY DON'T CARE. IT'S 1.4 0.1018.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MAYBE JUST A BRIEF ORDINANCE.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ADVISE AMENDING THE COUNCIL OF CIVIL RIGHTS.
PEOPLE SITTING DOWN THERE WANT TO KNOW, HEY, WHAT IS THIS? BECAUSE IF THEY DIDN'T GRAB A, A PAPER ON THE WAY AND THEY WERE, OH, HEY, THIS IS THE ORDINANCE ON YOU KNOW, DRESS.
CIVIL RIGHTS COMMISSIONS ARE GENERALLY VERY SHORT.
THE ORDINANCES. AND WE STARTED DOING THAT WHEN AMANDA WAS HERE WITH THE 1 4TH.
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. WE JUST SAID IT'S PROPERLY KNOWN AS THIS LOCATION. INSTEAD OF DOING THE.
WELL, AND WE NEVER USED TO HAVE.
NO, I TOLD YOU WHEN YOU GOT BACK.
WE NEVER USED TO HAVE THE COMMON ADDRESS. WHICH I THINK IS MOST IMPORTANT BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE LEGAL ADDRESS.
AND I DON'T TURN THE RECORDING OFF UNTIL WE MOTION IN AND YOU DO YOUR VOTE, THEN I TURN IT OFF. OKAY. SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.
[1) PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
JOE DESALVO.NOW I'M SHUTTING THE RECORDER OFF.
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ALL RIGHT. IF YOU CAN PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS,
[2) CALL TO ORDER]
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE[3) CITIZENS REQUEST TO BE HEARD]
FOR ALL. GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE HERE AND PRESENT.FIRST UP IS CITIZENS REQUEST TO BE HEARD. THIS IS YOUR TIME TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL. IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON.
ON THE AGENDA FOR LATER THIS EVENING. IF YOU DO, GO AHEAD AND PLEASE STEP FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
DALLAS. WILL YOU HIT THE BUTTON SO IT TURNS GREEN? YES, MA'.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DALLAS LAPSLEY, 3525 NINTH AVENUE. COUNCIL BLESS. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO CHRIS GIBBONS AND HIS STAFF AND TO THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, CHRIS. HOW DID YOU SAY? AWESOME.
AND TO THE MAYOR FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE ON HELPING CLEAN UP THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
I KNOW THAT THE LITTLE LADY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ME, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THEM IS VERY GRATEFUL ALSO. I HOPE AFTER THE NEXT 30 DAYS IT STILL STAYS THAT WAY. WE'LL FIND OUT, BUT WE'RE HOPING. SECOND THING THAT CAME TO MIND WHEN I WAS SHOWING SOME PEOPLE MY NEIGHBORHOOD HOW THE 311 THING WORKED. WE ALL NOTICED THAT IT LOOKED LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES DEALING WITH THE WEED AND HIGH GRASS.
AND I WAS JUST THINKING THAT AGAIN, GOING BACK TO WHEN I BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE ORDINANCES THAT I BROUGHT UP A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I STILL THINK THE CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO LOOK AT. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S AN ISSUE THERE. IF THAT'S THE BIGGEST AGENDA ON THE 311 ISSUE, I ALSO THINK THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF LOOK TO SEE ABOUT MAYBE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT DEAD VEHICLES AND JUNK CARS. I STILL HAVEN'T SEEN THAT ON THE 311. I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE, THAT THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF PEOPLE TO PUT SOME OF THAT ON. BUT AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT I SEEN IN THE COUNCIL BLESS AREA IS THE HIGH WEEDS, THE HIGH GRASS, AND ALL OVER COUNCIL BLUFFS. IT IS YOUR BIGGEST PROBLEM. AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I THANK EVERYBODY THAT WAS INVOLVED IN FIVE AND A HALF YEARS I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THESE PEOPLE AND HOPEFULLY IT CONTINUES TO STAY THAT WAY.
YOU'RE WELCOME. AND DALLAS, JUST SO YOU KNOW, SO THE WHAT'S OUT THERE ON MAYOR'S 311 RIGHT NOW, THAT IS TWO OF THREE PHASES.
SO THE THIRD PHASE WILL HAVE ALL THOSE ADDITIONAL CATEGORIES. THE FIRST PHASE WAS THE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT. THE SECOND PHASE WAS REPLACING EVERYTHING THAT WAS ON REPORTED CONCERN. AND THEN THE THIRD PHASE WILL BE ALL THE EXTRA NEW CATEGORIES THAT ARE COMING ON. SO THAT ONE IS STILL COMING TO BE BUILT OUT.
OKAY, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND I JUST HOPE YOU LOOK AT THIS AT THE CITY ORDINANCES REGARDING THE HIGHWAYS, PLEASE.
ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL? YEP.
COME ON UP. YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
HI, MY NAME IS SHAWNA KAGOY AND BASICALLY I TRIED TO PUT IT TO AN EMAIL FOR EVERYONE AND YOU HAVE YOUR ADDRESS TO SHORTEN IT A LITTLE BIT.
SHAA, CAN YOU HAVE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE 21327 ASHWOOD LANE? THANK YOU, COUNCIL BLISS, IOWA 51503. IT'S OKAY IF I PASS THESE? I HOPE, RECEIVE AND FILE FOR EVERYBODY.
SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
SHAUNA. I'M SORRY, I'M TRYING TO FIND IT ON MY PHONE.
I'M SORRY, I'M A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS.
SPEAKING IN FRONT OF PEOPLE, BASICALLY, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.
WABA, THIS IS NOT WHAT IS IN HERE. THIS IS FOR YOU TO READ AT YOUR LEISURE.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WABASH AVENUE IS ONLY A TWO LANE HIGHWAY. HOW WILL IT HANDLE THE TRAFFIC AT GOOGLE? IF THEY SHOULD ANNEX THIS PROPERTY OF THE FARMER? WHERE WILL THE ENTRANCE BE? WHAT ABOUT BUSES GOING UP AND DOWN WABASH? WHAT ABOUT THE NOISE FOR THE COMMUNITY LIVING AROUND THE AREA AND ALL OTHER CONCERNS ASIDE FROM ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS?
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HOW IS THIS GOING TO AFFECT THE COMMUNITY? AND WHY HAS NOT THE COMMUNITY BEEN NOTIFIED THAT THIS IS BEING PUT INTO CONSIDERATION AS EXPANDING THE EXISTING GOOGLE ICLOUD PLANT ON WABASH, WHICH WE LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO. I BELIEVE THAT THE MAYOR TRIED TO MAKE A MIRANDA FOR A YEAR TO TRY AND LOOK, YOU KNOW, LOOK INTO THINGS AND STUFF.AND I GUESS THAT WAS VOTED DOWN. I'M NOT SURE FOR WHAT REASON. MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE THE OTHER ONE WAS ALREADY IN THE WORKS BY IWCC. I'M NOT SURE.
BUT CAN MORE STUDIES BE DONE ON THE EFFECT THAT IT WOULD HAVE ON THE COMMUNITY, CONFUSING THIS AS TO WHY THIS WOULD BE TURNED DOWN BY THE CITY COUNCIL? AND I'M GUESSING IT IS. AND THIS IS ONLY MY GUESS BECAUSE THE ONE WAS ALREADY IN THE WORKS BEFORE MARY SCHUDACK TOOK PLACE OR TOOK OFFICE.
BUT THE REASON I'M COMING TO THE CITY COUNCIL IS BECAUSE IF IT'S ANNEXED, THEN IT BECOMES CITY PROPERTY.
IF IT'S SOLD AND ANNEXED, IT DOES BECOME CITY PROPERTY, JUST LIKE THE LAND NEXT DOOR TO US. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE LAND BACK IN 2007 GOT ANNEXED BECAUSE WE'RE WAY MORE THAN 10 MILES FROM TOWN, BUT IT WAS ANNEXED AS THE CITY PROPERTY AT THAT TIME. SO NOW WE'RE WONDERING IF IT'S GOING TO CONNECT THIS, YOU KNOW, THESE SURVEYORS THAT WE'VE SEEN OUT THERE, IF IT'S GOING TO CONNECT TO THE EXISTING GOOGLE AND WHAT'S IT GOING TO DO TO OUR COMMUNITY? AND IS THE CITY COUNCIL CONCERNED ABOUT THE COMMUNITY? BECAUSE THERE'S A LARGE COMMUNITY OUT THERE AND WE MOVED OUT THERE FOR A REASON. IT WASN'T FOR MONEY. IT WASN'T FOR. IT WAS BECAUSE WE WANTED PEACE AND QUIET. AND SO THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE TO SAY. AND THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME.
THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA? HI, MY NAME IS GRACE FOX. I LIVE AT 122 HUNTER AVENUE AND COUNCIL BLUFFS, 51503. THERE'S A SCHOOL RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM ME. YOU KNOW, I TRY TO BE A GOOD CITIZEN, KEEP MY WALKS CLEAR.
IN THE WINTER, I'M ON MY OWN. I MANAGE TO PULL IT OFF, BUT THE OTHER PEOPLE AROUND ME CAN'T ALWAYS DO THAT.
WE HAVE ONE SIDE OF THE STREET WITH A SIDEWALK BECAUSE THAT'S THE SIDE WHERE THE CROSSING IS FOR THE SCHOOL WITH THE LIGHT THAT THEY CAN CROSS THERE. BUT CONTINUALLY PEOPLE BLOCK THE SIDEWALK WITH VEHICLES, WITH GARBAGE CANS THAT SIT THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY. THAT'S ONE ISSUE THAT I. I TAKE OFFENSE TO. I'M IN JOSH TUREK'S.
DISTRICT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS ANYTHING TO YOU GUYS, BUT HE'S A PARALYMPIAN.
THERE'S JUST. PEOPLE DON'T PICK UP THEIR DOG MANURE. IT'S RIDICULOUS. I RESENT. I'M A WALKER. I RESENT HAVING TO WALK THROUGH IT, BUY IT, SMELL IT. AND I'M JUST BOMBARDED FROM BOTH SIDES. I HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING TO CODE COMPLIANCE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT PERSON IS HERE.
OKAY, WELL, HOW CONVENIENT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN COMPLAINING.
I MOVED INTO MY HOME IN 2016, OKAY. I HAD MY LOT SURVEYED FOR $350 AND THE NEIGHBORS KEPT PULLING OUT THE STAKE. I'VE HAD THREE NEIGHBORS NOW, AND ALL THREE HAVE DONE IT.
WHEN I'VE REPLACED IT, THEY'VE. INSTEAD OF FIXING THEIR DRAINING ISSUES, THEY HAVE JUST CONTINUALLY LET STUFF RUN DOWN THE HILL AND TRY TO PUT PRETEND LANDSCAPING ON IT. THEY'VE TAKEN LANDSCAPING THAT WAS OVER 4FT TALL THAT REQUIRES A PERMIT THAT WAS PUT IN IN THE 1980S AND JUST MOVING IT. I HAVE COMPLAINED BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN THROWING GARBAGE BEHIND THEIR HOUSE AND IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE RETRIBUTION. I HAVE PICTURES WHEN THEIR WALL HAS FALLEN.
AND THEN THIS MOST RECENT TIME I'VE COMPLAINED, I GOT A NOTICE OF VIOLATION FOR LIKE ABATEMENT COST $700.
IT'S THEIR MATERIALS. IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT FOREVER. IT'S BEEN A RENTAL.
IT'S BEEN NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS. THERE'S A RENTAL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ME THAT THERE ARE DOGS THAT LIVE THERE AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY PICKS UP AFTER THEM. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT JUST LET THEIR DOGS GO IN THE ALLEY. THERE'S BEEN SO MANY ISSUES. I'VE DONE THE RIGHT THING. I. I CANNOT ACCESS MY BACKYARD. IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS. AND WHEN I CALLED THE,
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THE CODE COMPLIANCE, I HAVE ALL THE CARDS. I HAVE A BOOK WRITTEN PRACTICALLY. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A MINUTE SINCE 22017 AND THEIR WALL COLLAPSED INTO MY YARD. AND EVERY TIME I'VE TRIED TO GET HELP FROM THE CITY, I'VE BEEN TOLD, OH, IT'S A CIVIL ISSUE. WELL, IF YOU WOULD HAVE COME OUT, IF SOMEONE WOULD HAVE HELPED ME IN THE FIRST PLACE, IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED. I'M GRATEFUL. I HAVEN'T BEEN HURT. I'VE BEEN TREATED FOR POISON IVY SEVERAL TIMES. I JUST GOT STITCHES AND A TETANUS SHOT. THANK GOODNESS FOR FROM TRYING TO CLEAN UP THE MESS THIS, THE WHATEVER. WHATEVER PEOPLE IT IS THAT FINALLY DID CUT DOWN THE DEAD TREE DUE TO THE RUNOFF. ALL OF THE ROOTS ON ALL OF THE DEAD TREES ARE EXPOSED.THERE'S STILL ONE LIVING, BUT HOW LONG WILL THAT BE? IT'S GOT GOALS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. IT'S AN EYESORE. NO ONE WILL HELP. AND IT'S RIDICULOUS.
IT'S NOT. I. I MEAN, IF NO ONE, LIKE, IS GOING TO WORK WITH PEOPLE ON COLD COMPLIANCE, IT'S JUST EMBOLDENING PEOPLE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT, IN MY OPINION. I'VE BEEN HASSLED.
I'VE BEEN CATCALLED, YOU NAME IT. THE PEOPLE COMING WITH NEBRASKA PLATES AND DOING WORK, WHICH THEY DIDN'T EVEN BARELY DO ANYTHING, THEY PUT SOMETHING ON THE ELECTRIC POLE BEHIND ME, MEANWHILE GOING, HEY, WE'LL CUT DOWN YOUR TREES FOR YOU. I WOULDN'T TRUST THEM TO CUT MY LAWN. THE FIRST TIME THEY CAME AND TRIED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE POLE, THEY HAD TO LEAVE. THERE WERE SIX PEOPLE. THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE PROPER EQUIPMENT. WHEN THEY CAME BACK THE NEXT DAY, THEY JUST THREW THE SPRAY CANE PAINT CAN IN THE GUY'S YARD. IT STILL SITS THERE. IT'S. THE AMOUNT OF STUFF THAT'S GOING ON IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS RIDICULOUS.
I'M BEING. I AM BEING HARASSED.
I MEAN, LITERALLY, THEY'VE THREATENED ME. OH, YOU BETTER LAWYER UP. WELL, I WISH THEY WOULD SUE ME, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING, BUT I HAD TO WALK BECAUSE MY BATTERY WAS DEAD. I APOLOGIZE, BUT I THINK SOMEONE SHOULD SERIOUSLY TRY TO DO THAT JOB. I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE WORLD IS SHORTHANDED, BUT IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. IS THAT A TIMER? YEAH. THAT'S OKAY. I'VE GIVEN YOU MY CARD BEFORE, RIGHT? I'M NOT SURE.
OKAY, LET'S. AND LET'S GET SOME TIME TO SIT DOWN THIS WEEK AND TALK THROUGH EVERYTHING AND ALL CODES. AND I WOULD LIKE TO CALL ON THE NEW NUMBER BECAUSE.
WHAT. WHEN I CALLED ON THE COMPLIANCE THING BEFORE, LIKE I SAID, IT FELT LIKE RETRIBUTION. I HAVE PICTURES OF EVERYTHING FROM WHEN I LIVED THERE. I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO SPEND 5 TO $15,000 TO GET THIS RESOLVED WHEN IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR 10 YEARS.
HOPEFULLY, LIKE THE GENTLEMAN, FOR YOU, WE CAN WORK ON IT AND GET YOUR ISSUES RESOLVED. I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE YOUR HOUSE PRETTY MUCH FROM WHERE YOU'RE AT.
WELL, YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT GOES ON BEHIND IT. THE SAME ISSUE THAT I COMPLAINED ABOUT HAS ACTUALLY GOTTEN WORSE.
THEY'VE PUT MORE JUNK UP ON THE HILL AND IT'S FALLING INTO MY.
WE CAN WORK THROUGH IT JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE OTHER GENTLEMAN.
WE CAN SUBMIT IT IN AND WE CAN WORK THROUGH IT.
WHAT'S THE TIME LENGTH ON THE ISSUES, LIKE THE CARS WITH NO LICENSE PLATES.
THERE'S WRECKED CARS. WE, I MEAN, YEAH, WE'LL GET A TIMELINE FOR THAT. WHEN THAT THIRD INSTALLMENT'S GOING TO BE.
NO, BUT WE CAN GET IT TAKEN CARE OF. WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR IT. WE'LL GET IT TAKEN CARE OF.
ALL RIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JEFF BALLINGER. I LIVE AT 12606 GREYSTONE COURT. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR SERVING.
MY FATHER WAS A COUNCILMAN AND A MAYOR FOR ONE YEAR. AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT IN IT FOR THE MONEY, SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. I DO APPRECIATE THAT. I'M HERE TO GATHER INFORMATION AND I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. IT'S IN REGARD TO THE DATA CENTER. I LIVE UP OFF OF WOODLAND TRAIL AND I'VE BEEN HEARING CONCERNS AND I CALLED THE ASSESSOR TODAY ABOUT A POTENTIAL ANOTHER DATA CENTER THAT'S POTENTIALLY NORTH OF THE ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.
THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE IS HOW MANY JOBS WERE PROMISED AT THE GOOGLE CENTER WHEN IT ORIGINALLY CAME TO TOWN AND HOW MANY WERE DELIVERED? AND I'M NOT TRYING TO STUMP ANYBODY,
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BUT MAYBE SOMEONE CAN GET BACK TO ME ON THAT. I'M JUST CURIOUS ON THAT. I UNDERSTAND. AND MAYOR, MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS OR ROGER OR COUNCILMAN SANDAU, IN TALKING TO THE ASSESSOR TODAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE TAX INCENTIVES FOR THESE DATA SETS, OF COURSE YOU GOT A 90% ROLLBACK, BUT THEY GET 80% TAX REDUCTION ON WHAT THEY PAY. IS THAT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS? THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IT'S 70%. IS THAT CORRECT? SO EACH DEVELOPMENT COMES TO THE COUNCIL FOR THE INCENTIVE PACKAGE.>> SO I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS FACT 100%, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT'S ABOUT A 1.6 BILLION DOLLAR PROJECT DOWN THERE. IS THAT FAIR? SO IF THAT'S THE CASE AND THEY'RE PAYING PROBABLY AT THIS POINT 30% OF THE TAXES THEY OWE, THAT'S BETWEEN A 22. THIS IS COUNCIL PLUS ABRAHAM LINCOLN MATH.
OKAY, SO STICK WITH ME. I LOVE THAT SCHOOL.
THIS, THAT'S ABOUT A 22 TO A 30 MILLION DOLLAR TAX BRACKET FOR A BIG, BIG COMPANY THAT GREG ABEL JUST BOUGHT $26 BILLION WORTH FOR WARREN BUFFETT. WELL, MY QUESTION IS, WHAT ABOUT US? I DON'T THINK THESE ARE GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND I THINK YOU OUGHT TO TELL THESE GUYS TO GO FISH. QUITE FRANKLY, IF THEY WANT TO COME TO COUNCIL BLUFFS.
WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GOOGLE IT AND LOOK AT HOW MANY GROUPS ARE SPRINGING UP AND SAYING, WE DON'T WANT YOU. THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, THE SOUND ISSUES. THIS GENTLEMAN HERE SAYS HIS HOUSE SOUNDS LIKE A LAWNMOWER EVERY NIGHT. I DON'T WANT TO DRIVE HOME EVERY NIGHT AND SEE THIS.
WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GET THE ELECTRICITY FROM? THE COST OF THE ELECTRICITY, THE WATER THAT IT TAKES. THESE ARE ALL THINGS YOU'VE HEARD BEFORE. I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, WHEN IS IT GOING TO STOP? QUITE FRANKLY, MAYOR SCHUDACK, I DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAY, BUT I THINK YOU WERE SPOT ON WITH THE MORATORIUM, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. WE NEED TO JUST TAKE A BREATH AND WE NEED TO TRY TO ASCERTAIN EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THESE THINGS ARE DOING. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT SINCE I KNOW MY TIME IS SHORT.
YOU'RE GOING TO CREATE 1500 JOBS POTENTIALLY. OKAY? THOSE AREN'T LONG TERM JOBS. THOSE GUYS ARE GOING TO GO TO TAYLOR'S OIL AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEIR SMOKES AND THEIR COKES. THEY MIGHT GO DOWN TO 712, WE HOPE, OR ONE OF OUR FINE EATING ESTABLISHMENTS.
AND I'LL BET YOU A CHEESEBURGER FROM KRISTY GREEN THAT DOESN'T TAKE 1500 PEOPLE TO RUN A DATA CENTER. IT TAKES 50 TO 100. SO THIS IS NOT LONG TERM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR COMMUNITY, AND YET WE'RE GIVING THEM 20 TO 40 MILLION DOLLARS IN TAX BREAKS. THERE'S NO COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS TO THAT THAT YOU CAN SELL ME.
WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THE TAX DOLLARS? IS ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BE DOING WITH THE TAX DOLLARS THAT THEY CREATE? I BELIEVE YOUR BUDGET HERE IS $176 MILLION. IS THAT CLOSE? CLOSE.
ACCORDING TO THE IOWANS FOR TAX RELIEF, OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, THE POPULATION IN COUNCIL BLUFFS HAS BEEN UP 1/10 OF 1%. INFLATION'S 34.3%.
REASONABLE TAX GROWTH WILL BE 34.4. PROPERTY TAX GROWTH IS 49.2%. SO YOU'RE OVERSPENDING.
AND I GET IT. BELIEVE ME, I DO. YOU'RE LIKE, WHAT DO WE DO? HOW ARE WE GOING TO GROW THE COMMUNITY? HOW ARE WE GOING TO GROW THE TAX BASE? MY ONLY COMMENT, AND YOU KNOW, IF I'M SO SMART, WHY DON'T I HAVE THE ANSWER? I DON'T, BUT I DON'T THINK THE ANSWER IS TO BRING IN A DATA CENTER.
LOOK AT THE EASTERN PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. WE HAD A BEAUTIFUL COLLEGE OUT THERE.
AND I GET IT, SOMEBODY MADE A NICE COMMISSION ON THE SALE OF LAND. BUT THAT'S THE FIRST THING YOU SEE WHEN YOU COME INTO COUNCIL PLUS, IS A DATA CENTER NOT THAT BEAUTIFUL. IOWA WESTERN COMMUNITY COLLEGE. IS THAT WHO WE WANT TO BE? THAT'S JUST A QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU. WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE OF THE CENTERS? AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY AT THIS POINT I'M STAUNCHLY OPPOSED TO THEM. AND LIKE HER, LIKE THE YOUNG LADY THAT SPOKE BEFORE ME, I MOVED SOUTH OF TOWN NOT TO BE IN THE LEWIS CENTRAL SCHOOL DISTRICT.
I MOVED. I'M A PROUD ABRAHAM LINCOLN GRADUATE, BUT I MOVED SOUTH TO TOWN BECAUSE IT WAS QUIET AND I FOUND A NICE HOME. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING. I WOULD LIKE AN ANSWER TO SOME OF MY QUESTIONS. MAYOR, IF YOU CAN GET BACK TO ME OR COUNCILMAN SANDAU, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU, JEFF. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL THIS EVENING ON AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA? WELL, I'M REALLY NOT SURE IF IT'S ON YOUR AGENDA, BUT MY NAME'S ROGER WILLIAMS. I'LL LEAVE IT 10605 WABASH AVE. COUNCIL BLUFFS 51503. AND MY ASSUMPTION WAS THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT ANNEXING MORE, MOVING THE CITY LIMITS OUT NEAR MY AREA AGAIN ON GROUND THAT KIRK FISHER
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OWNS. AND I GUESS THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY ABOUT THAT IS MY DEALINGS WITH GOOGLE J. DUNN CONSTRUCTION HAVE NOT BEEN GOOD NEIGHBORS. NOT AT ALL. THEY TOLD ME WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. THAT'S A BUNCH OF. I WON'T SAY IT, BUT THEY PROMISED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH MY FOUNDATION AND MY HOUSE. THEY HAVEN'T CONTACTED ME. I TOLD YOU ALL ABOUT THAT ROUGHLY A MONTH AGO.THEY HAVEN'T MADE ONE ATTEMPT TO CONTACT ME ABOUT RESOLVING THE ISSUE. SO LIKE I SAY, THEY ARE NOT GOOD NEIGHBORS TO HAVE MY PARENTS LIVE CADDY CORNER FROM THAT PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO BUY. AND I PROMISE YOU THEY DON'T WANT THE NOISE, THEY DON'T WANT THE HEADACHES, THE VIBRATIONS, ALL THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT.
AND I CAN TELL YOU IF YOU DO THAT, LOOK UP, SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY'RE EMPLOYING. I'LL BET YOU THEY'RE EMPLOYING ABOUT 125. MOST OF THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS THAT ARE SUPPOSEDLY WORKING THE UNION JOBS ARE ONLY PARTIAL UNION JOB WORKERS. THERE'S A LOT OF NON UNION JOB WORKERS THERE.
AND IF YOU DRIVE DOWN TO THE GLENWOOD EXIT, YOU'LL SEE THAT LITTLE TRAILER PARK THAT WITH ALL THEM CAMPERS THERE FROM TEXAS, ARKANSAS, MISSOURI, OUT OF STATE WORKERS, ELECTRICIANS AND SUCH SENDING THAT MONEY HOME. YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA BUY A CHEESEBURGER AT MCDONALD'S AND THEY'RE BUYING A FEW THINGS.
YOU'RE NOT MAKING MONEY ON THAT DEAL. I SWEAR TO YOU.
AND I DEALT WITH ERIC SORENSEN, WITH JAY DUNN ABOUT MY SITUATION, WAS TOLD NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS. HE'S A BALD FACED LIAR AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. I'VE HAD NO RESULTS AND I PROMISE YOU I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT. I HAD A MILLION DOLLAR VIEW THAT LOOKS LIKE DAMN SHOPPING MALL ACROSS FROM MY ROAD RIGHT OR HOUSE RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S ENOUGH OF MY COMPLAINT FOR TONIGHT.
BUT I WOULD SUGGEST IF YOU HAVE ANY INTENTIONS AT ALL ABOUT MOVE CHANGING THE CITY ANNEX IN FROM AGRICULTURE TO INDUSTRIAL, I WOULD VOTE NO ON THAT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO COME OUT AHEAD ON THAT.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF MAD NEIGHBORS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ROAD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
REAL QUICK, LET YOU KNOW WE DID GET AN EMAIL FROM SOMEBODY WHO HAD REACHED OUT TO GOOGLE AND SAID THAT THEY WERE LOOKING INTO IT WITH THEIR FOLKS. SO IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN CONTACTED I'LL REACH OUT TO THEM AND SAY HEY, YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BACK.
YEAH, I CALLED PAULA AFTER AND SHE SAID SHE'D GOTTEN WITH YOU SO I THOUGHT YOU WERE HAD THEY TOUCHED BASE. I WAS UNAWARE THAT THEY HAD.
SHE GOT A HOLD OF TERRY OSWALD AND AS THE STORY HAS IT HE WAS FROM HIM ANYWAY. HE WAS INVOLVED IN THIS WHOLE SCENARIO FROM DAY ONE AND HE TOLD ME LOTS AND LOTS OF STUFF. WELL I PROMISE YOU I HAVE SEEN NO ACTION. HE I'VE GOT TEXT MESSAGES ON MY PHONE THAT SAY HE CONTACTED SO AND SO AND SO AND SO AND I'M GONNA DO THIS AND I'M GONNA DO THAT.
WELL BUT FROM PAULA. DID YOU HAVE A GET A CONTACT FROM PAULA, NOT TERRY ONCE FROM PAULA AND SHE ASKED IF SHE COULD PASS MY NAME AND NUMBER ON TO HIM.
OKAY, ERIC, YOU MEAN HE, HE CONTACTED ME BUT LIKE I SAID THERE'S BEEN NO ACTION.
LOOKS LIKE TRENT FELLERS WAS THE PERSON SHE WAS TRYING TO GET, SHE GOT IN TOUCH WITH AT GOOGLE. THEY EXCHANGED EMAILS AND THEN HE WAS GOING TO LOOK INTO IT FURTHER AND THEN WOULD PROVIDE AN UPDATE ONCE THEY HAD IT. SO I'LL LET PAULA KNOW OR YEAH, WE CAN REACH OUT AND SAY LIKE I SAID, I CALLED HER THE NEXT DAY AND SHE SAW I, I, SHE SAID SHE'D SPOKE WITH YOU OUT, SHE CAUGHT YOU.
WE GOT, IT WAS A LONG MEETING THAT NIGHT. SHE SAID SHE CAUGHT YOU IN THE HALLWAY. SHE'S LIKE, OH, YEAH, I TALK IN THE HALLWAY AND WE'RE GONNA GET PEOPLE TOGETHER. SO I SAID, OKAY, WELL, IF YOU'RE TAKING CARE OF IT, THEN I WON'T BOTHER HIM AGAIN TODAY IF YOU'VE ALREADY HANDLED IT. SO. BUT FROM THE SOUNDS OF IT, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN CONTACTED.
SO I BELIEVED THAT THIS TERRY OSWALD WAS THE PERSON THAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
I SAID, TERRY'S A JUST A CITIZEN. HE DOESN'T WORK FOR GOOGLE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, FORM OR THE CITY.
YEAH, BUT PAULA HAS EXCHANGED EMAILS WITH SOMEONE FROM GOOGLE. SO, YEAH, SHE'S, SHE'S WORKING ON IT, AND WE'LL GET BACK INTO THAT.
THERE'S STILL. I APPRECIATE ANYTHING YOU GUYS CAN DO, AND I'LL BE MORE THAN WILLING TO GIVE YOU MY PHONE NUMBER AND THEY CAN GIVE ME A CALL.
THEY COME TO MY HOUSE, I'LL SHOW THEM ALL THE CRACKS AND FOUNDATIONS AND CEILINGS AND
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EVERYTHING. AND I'LL PROBABLY COMPLAIN A LOT, ADAM, BUT OKAY, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.WELL, IF YOU DON'T COME BACK, THEN I, LIKE I SAID, I REACHED OUT AND SHE SENT US AN EMAIL.
SO WE KIND OF THOUGHT MAYBE THE THINGS WERE TAKING PLACE. SO IT'S GOOD TO HEAR BACK FROM SAYING, HEY, WE GOT TO GET THIS SQUARED AWAY. YOU KNOW, I APOLOGIZE. I'M. NO, YOU'RE ALL GOOD WRITING AND LISTENING AND, BUT, AND, AND I CAN SPEAK FOR SOMEBODY ELSE. DENNIS WOLF LIVES RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
AND I PROMISE YOU, DENNIS DOES NOT WANT THAT SITED NEXT DOOR TO HIS HOUSE EITHER. ANYWAY, I'M DONE.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, DOES SAY TRENT FELLERS IS THE GOOGLE'S PUBLIC AFFAIR REPRESENTATIVE, SO.
ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL THIS EVENING? SHAUNA ANDERSON, 19377 340TH STREET. I ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE COUNTY OUT IN O.
OAKLAND, BUT AND DIDN'T REALLY PLAN ON SPEAKING TODAY, BUT AFTER HEARING THESE FOLKS SPEAK, I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ABOUT THE DATA CENTERS AS WELL.
MY CONCERNS OVER WATER USAGE AND THE NITRATES. THE MORE WATER YOU USE, THE MORE WATER EVAPORATES, THE HIGHER THE NITRATE LEVELS GO. ONCE THAT WATER LEVEL COMES DOWN, I COULD TALK TO YOU ALL DAY LONG ABOUT IT. I READ FAR TOO MUCH AND PAY ATTENTION TO IT A LOT. I'M PART OF THE.
THE NITRATE WATCH. LOOKING AT THE NITRATES IN OUR WATER AND THE ISSUES THAT IT CAUSES.
ANOTHER THING THAT COMES ALONG WITH THAT IS MY NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH OF ME, THEIR WELL WENT COMPLETELY DRY LAST YEAR.
IOWA HAS A WATER PROBLEM. WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF WATER. AND THAT IS NOT JUST FOR THOSE OF US IN THE COUNTY. IT'S AN ISSUE FOR THOSE THAT ARE IN THE CITY AS WELL. AND EVEN IF YOU ANNEX AND PUT, WHETHER IT'S BUILDING ONTO AN EXISTING CENTER OR PUTTING ANOTHER IN ANOTHER CENTER, IT OBVIOUSLY AFFECTS THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE OUT IN THE COUNTY AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF THIS BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE CITY OF COUNCIL BLUFFS HASN'T HAD THIS ISSUE. FIVE OF THE SIX WATER TOWERS OUT ON THE COUNTY LAST YEAR WERE IN THE RED FOR OVER SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR. WATER IS A HUGE, HUGE ISSUE FOR ALL OF POTAWATOMI COUNTY. I DO KNOW IN SPEAKING WITH SOME OF YOU FOLKS AND OTHER FOLKS IN THE CITY THAT THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO CLEAN OUR WATER, OUR WASTE MANAGEMENT IS NOT IN SHIP SHAPE CONDITION AT ALL. AND THESE DATA CENTERS COMING IN, THEY'RE COSTING US MONEY. IT'S GOING TO COST OUR TAXPAYER MONEY TO REPAIR AND BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE FILTH THAT THEY ARE DUMPING INTO OUR WATER. NO AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY ARE GOING TO PAY IN A TAX BASIS, ESPECIALLY AFTER HEARING THIS GENTLEMAN SAY 30% IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT IT WILL TAKE TO CLEAN UP WHAT THEY PUT IN.
ALSO. I DRIVE DOWN HIGHWAY 6 EVERY DAY. MY BUSINESS IS HERE IN COUNCIL BLUFFS. I'M RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD FROM THE NEW EDGE DATA CENTER.
GET TO DRIVE PAST THOSE GOD AWFUL UGLY GIGANTIC POSTS, ONE OF WHICH IS MAYBE 20 YARDS OFF OF HIGHWAY 6. SO IF ANOTHER CENTER COMES IN AND THEY WANT TO SOME OF THOSE GIGANTIC POLES AND THEY PUT THEM THAT CLOSE TO THE ROAD EVERY DAY WHEN I DRIVE PAST THAT NEW POST ON ITS BIG METAL FOUNDATION, I WONDER HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO BE BEFORE SOMEBODY DRIVES OFF AND DRIVES RIGHT INTO IT.
AND I JUST, I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW CLOSE TO THE ROAD THEY PUT THOSE POSTS IN ORDER TO PULL ALL THE ELECTRICITY. I WONDER WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH MY SALON HERE IN COUNCIL BLUFFS WHEN MY POWER BILL SHOOTS UP. BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO PAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DATA CENTER HAS ENOUGH ELECTRICITY AND THE CITY OF COUNCIL BLUFFS DOES NOT HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THESE DATA CENTERS.
SO I JUST REALLY WANTED TO STAND UP AND ECHO THE CONCERNS OF THESE CITIZENS AS WELL. AND ALSO SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT IT IS NOT JUST A CITY ISSUE, IT'S A COUNTY ISSUE, IT'S A STATEWIDE ISSUE. IOWA DOESN'T HAVE THE WATER TO SPARE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, SHAWNA. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL THIS EVENING ON AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA? SORRY, I'M NOT AS WELL VERSED AS EVERYONE ELSE HERE, BUT MY NAME IS MICHELLE SHUE, 22400 BERRY LANE. I LIVE OFF OF WOODLAND TRAIL. WHAT I WROTE DOWN IS WE THE PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO VOTE YES OR NO ON SOMETHING THIS IMPORTANT.
LOSING THIS MUCH FARM GROUND IS NOT GOOD SINCE SO MUCH HAS
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ALREADY BEEN LOST NOT JUST TO DATA CENTERS BUT OTHER INDUSTRIES SINCE SO MUCH ENERGY AND WATER ARE USED FOR THEM. DOES THIS MEAN IT COULD COME TO A TIME WHEN PEOPLE WILL BE DENIED BOTH SOME OF THE CENTERS KEEP GOING.WILL OUR ELECTRICITY GO UP? AND I AM ON A WELL WHERE I LIVE. I HAVE LIVED AT THE FAMILY PLACE PRETTY MUCH MY WHOLE LIFE. IF IT USED TO BE COMPLETE DARKNESS AT NIGHT, WHICH WAS WONDERFUL WITH THE DATA CENTER THAT'S OPERATING NOW, THERE IS CONSTANT WHITE LIGHT ABOVE THE HOT, TALL, TALL TREES THAT I CAN SEE FROM MY PLACE. WE WILL ALSO LOSE THE DOWNTOWN SKYSCRAPE THAT WE CAN SEE WHEN WE TURN OFF OF WOODLAND TRAIL ONTO HARRY LANGDON AND HARRY LANGDON SLASH 275. THAT'S HOW I KNOW IT. IT'S ALREADY HORRIBLE SHAPE FROM THE FIRST TIME WHEN GOOGLE WAS HAVING THIS DUMP.
AND IT'S LIKE. AND WHEN THEY START THE NEW ONE, WHERE IS IT GOING TO BE? ARE THEY GOING TO TURN RIGHT WHERE WE TURN OFF AND ON ON WOODLAND TRAIL? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT. AND HOW LOUD IS IT GOING TO BE SINCE IT WILL BE SO LARGE THAT IT GOES. THE QUIETNESS IN THE COUNTRY. THAT'S MY PARENTS. WE'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 67 AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN SO QUIET. AND NOW YOU CAN HEAR THINGS. SO THAT I APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MICHELLE. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE
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COUNCIL THIS EVENING ON AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA? OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA?[5.A) Resolution 26-236 Resolution approving the plans and specifications for the Council Bluffs Recycling Center South Yard Concrete Expansion. City Project #PW27-20 ]
MOTION TO APPROVE.MOTION CARRIES. PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING. RESOLUTION 26 TO 36. A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS FOR PROJECTS. RECYCLING CENTER SOUTH YARD CONCRETE EXPANSION CITY PROJECT DW27 TO 20. IS PROOF OF PUBLICATION ON FILE? YES, IT IS.
ANY WRITTEN PROTESTS? RECEIVED NONE RECEIVED.
ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THIS MATTER? SEEING NONE.
[6.A) Ordinance 6691 Ordinance to amend Chapter 1.40 Council Bluffs Civil Rights Commission of the 2025 Council Bluffs Municipal Code by amending Sections 1.40.020 "Construction", 1.40.040 "Establishment, Membership And Organization", 1.40.060 "Powers And Duties", 1.40.070 "Public Meetings, Records And Confidentiality", 1.40.150 "Complaint Procedures". ]
IS THERE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE? SECOND.IS THERE A DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
IT'S AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 4.4.1.40. COUNCIL BLUFF CIVIL'S RIGHTS COMMISSION. NO MOTION. NO ACTION TAKEN.
[6.B) Ordinance 6692 Ordinance to amend Chapter 1.40 Council Bluffs Civil Rights Commission of the 2025 Council Bluffs Municipal Code by amending Sections 1.40.010 "Purposes", 1.40.020 "Construction", 1.40.030 "Definitions - Civil Rights Commission", 1.40.040 "Establishment, Membership And Organization", 1.40.060 "Powers And Duties", 1.40.070 "Public Meetings, Records And Confidentiality", 1.40.080 "Unfair Employment Practices", 1.40.090 "Unfair Practices - Accommodations Or Services", 1.40.100 "Unfair Or Discriminatory Practices - Housing", 1.40.110 "Unfair Credit Practices", 1.40.120 "Unfair Or Discriminatory Practices - Education", 1.40.150 "Complaint Procedures", 1.40.160 "Conciliation", 1.40.170 "Public Hearing" and 1.40.200 "City Employment". ]
NO ACTION TAKEN.NO ACTION. I HAVE IT DOWN, TOO.
OKAY, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ORDINANCE 6692, AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 4. 1.40.
[7.A) Ordinance 6676-A (as amended 6-22-26) Ordinance to amend Chapter 4.20 Animal Control by amending Section 4.20.020 "Definitions-Animal Control"; Section 4.20.030 "Cruel Treatment of Animals Prohibited"; and enacting New Section 4.20.075 to be entitled "Management of Cat Population pursuant to Trap-Neuter-Return; Permitted Acts".]
SECOND.WE HAVE ORDINANCE 6676A, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 4.20, ANIMAL CONTROL.
[8.A) Resolution 26-215 (Continued from 6-22-26) Resolution authorizing wage increases for the Council Bluffs Fire Supervisory employees for the period of July 1, 2026 through June 30, 2027.]
SEEING NONE.RESOLUTION 26. 215. A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING WAGE INCREASE FOR THE COUNCIL BLUFF FIRE SUPERVISORY EMPLOYEES.
IS THERE A MOTION, A MOTION TO TABLE TILL FIRE UNION NEGOTIATIONS ARE COMPLETE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? DO WE HAVE TO PUT A SPECIFIC DATA ON THAT? JODY, WHEN ARBITRATION IS COMPLETED, CAN WE GET A.
CAN WE REQUEST TO GET AN UPDATE FROM HR MAYBE NEXT MEETING? BECAUSE SHE SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE A.
I'LL SEND OUT AS SOON AS WE GET THE DATE.
WE CAN MAKE SURE TO SEND IT OUT TO THE COUNCIL.
NEXT MEETING, IF NOTHING ELSE, FOR AN UPDATE ON WHEN THE HEARING MAY BE.
WELL, AND FOR EVERYONE THAT WASN'T HERE THIS AFTERNOON, WE KIND OF DISCUSSED HOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY LONG. IF THE COURT SAYS, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO BE OUT SIX, EIGHT MONTHS AND WE NEED TO MAYBE MAKE A DECISION AT THIS POINT, BUT IF IT'S GOING TO BE POSSIBLY TWO WEEKS AWAY, THEN WE PREFER TO WAIT UNTIL THAT WAS COMPLETED BEFORE WE WENT FORWARD HERE.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION? JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE MOVING IT TO THE 27TH TO THE NEXT MEETING? YEAH, IF. IF NOTHING ELSE
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TO GET AN UPDATE FROM WHERE WE'RE AT ON THE SITUATION, BUT PLEASE, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE DONE BY THAT POINT, BUT WE'LL SEE.YEAH. I WOULD ASSUME THAT IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER.
OKAY, WELL, THAT. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS ASKING THIS AFTERNOON. LIKE, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA.
[8.B) Resolution 26-216 (Continued from 6-22-26) Resolution authorizing wage increases for the Council Bluffs Police Supervisory employees for the period of July 1, 2026 through June 30, 2027.]
YEAH, NEXT TIME, ONCE WE GET A DATE, THEN YOU CAN.RESOLUTION 26 216, A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING WAGE INCREASES FOR THE COUNCIL OF BLUFFS POLICE SUPERVISORY EMPLOYEES.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE TO AMEND RESOLUTION NUMBER 262216 BY STRIKING 2.5 IN THE RESOLVED CLAUSE AND INSERTING 3.5 SO THAT THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZES A 3.5% INCREASE TO THE BASE HOURLY WAGE PAY SCHEDULE FOR THE POLICE SUPERVISORY POSITION EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2026 THROUGH JUNE 30, 2027.
SECOND, IS THERE A DISCUSSION.
WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION THIS AFTERNOON. THERE'S ABOUT NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS IN REGARDS TO KEEPING THE GAP FROM THE HIGHEST PAID OFFICER TO THE LOWEST PAID SERGEANT.
WE TALKED ABOUT STAFFING, WE TALKED ABOUT OVERTIME, WE TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS WITH THE POLICE CHIEF AND SOME OF THE SUPERVISORY STAFF WAS HERE. THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT.
DIFFERENCE, WE THINK, IN THIS SUPERVISORY PAY VERSUS OTHER JOBS IN REGARDS TO JOB DESCRIPTION AND WHAT IT ENTAILS AND HOW WE TALKED ABOUT, I REALLY COMPARED IT TO APPLES AND ORANGES. AND WE THINK THAT IN TALKING WITH SOME OF THE SUPERVISORS, WHAT THEY DO AND WHY THEY DO IT, AND AS I THINK YOU SAID TODAY, DOUG, WE DON'T HEAR A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE THINK THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB. AND HAVING THE RIGHT PEOPLE APPLY FOR THE SUPERVISORY POSITIONS IS IMPORTANT. HAVING THE STAFF IN PLACE IS VERY IMPORTANT. WE LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS. IT'S NOT A LARGE NUMBER. FROM THE 3.5, FROM 2.5 INCREASING TO 3.5 AND KEEPING THAT GAP. WE JUST, LIKE I SAID, WE DISCUSSED A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT I, I SUPPORT THE 3.5.
AND I'LL JUST KIND OF SAY LIKE THE REASON I'M INTRODUCING THIS AMENDMENT TO CHANGE IT FROM 2.5 TO 3.5 TO MAKE IT MATCH WHAT THE, THE POLICE UNION OFFICERS ARE GETTING IS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO KEEP THAT GAP BETWEEN THE HIGHEST PAID OFFICER AND THE LOWEST PAID, YOU KNOW, FIRST YEAR SERGEANT. AND ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD WITH REDUCING THAT GAP WAS IN MY OWN CAPACITY AS A CORRECTIONAL OFFICER AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, FIRSTHAND SOME OF THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT COME IF THAT GAP GETS TOO NARROW. FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD A, I BROUGHT IT UP IN THE PREVIOUS STUDY SESSION, BUT WE HAD A LIEUTENANT RETIRE RECENTLY AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SO OUR SERGEANTS WERE INVITED TO APPLY FOR IT. AND THIS IS A HUGELY IMPORTANT POSITION WITH A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY, A LOT OF LIABILITY, TERRIBLE HOURS, HONESTLY. AND WE HAVE MY PERSONAL SERGEANT FOR MY SHIFT. HE HAS BEEN THERE IN THAT POSITION FOR A VERY LONG TIME. SO HE HAS MAXED OUT IN THE SERGEANT SCALE, ON THE PAY SCALE. AND IN MY OPINION, HE WOULD HAVE MADE A PHENOMENAL LIEUTENANT.
HE KNEW THE JOB HE WOULD HAVE DONE A GREAT, WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT ASSET FOR THE JAIL AS A LIEUTENANT.
BUT THE PROBLEM WAS, WAS THAT HE LOOKED AT, OKAY, IF I APPLY FOR LIEUTENANT, BECAUSE HE CONSIDERED IT. HE SAID, IF I GET THIS POSITION.
HE. HE FOUND THAT THE RAISE, BECAUSE HE WAS MAXED OUT, HE FOUND THAT THE RAGE WAS GOING TO BE MARGINAL, AND HE DECIDED IT WASN'T WORTH IT.
HE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WORSE HOURS, MORE RESPONSIBILITY, MORE LIABILITY, MORE HEADACHES. HE SAID, I'LL JUST STAY AS A SERGEANT AND MAKE ALMOST THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY. SO BECAUSE OF THAT, WE LOST OUT ON POTENTIALLY A GREAT LIEUTENANT, YOU KNOW, IN MY. IN MY OPINION. SO I DON'T WANT TO SEE US GO DOWN THAT ROAD AND GET INTO A SLIPPERY SLOPE WHERE WE HAVE INCONSISTENT INCREASES BETWEEN THE, YOU KNOW, PATROL UNION OFFICERS AND THEIR SUPERVISORS, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL BLUFF IS SAFE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE BEST PEOPLE IN SERGEANTS AND LIEUTENANTS AND CAPTAINS,
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AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH INCENTIVE IN THERE TO GET PEOPLE TO WANT TO APPLY FOR THOSE JOBS SO THEY CAN KEEP YOU SAFE.SO THAT'S WHY I PROPOSE THIS AMENDMENT.
ANY ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION? I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I WAS LIKE, ROGER, I DID A LOT OF DISCUSSION AS WELL ABOUT THIS AND TALKED TO DIFFERENT FOLKS INVOLVED WITH THIS. AND ONE THING THAT WE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS THIS AFTERNOON IS NO MATTER WHERE WE GO TONIGHT, WE'VE GOT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT AS THAT PERCENTAGE KEEPS GOING AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNT KEEPS INCREASING AND THAT PERCENTAGE GETS. THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT GETS LARGER AND THE DIFFERENCE. AND AT SOME POINT, IT MIGHT BE TOO LARGE. AND SO WE'VE GOT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.
BUT AGAIN, I'M. I'M OF THE MINDSET. ROGER TALKED ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LOWER THE HIGHER, AND YOU SAY, WELL, HOW ARE THEY DOING OVERALL? AND I THINK AS A COMMUNITY, WE WOULD ALL AGREE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S DONE A REALLY NICE JOB. WE DON'T GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS. THEY HAVE GOOD PEOPLE IN PLACE. THEY DO A GREAT JOB WITH WHAT THEY'RE TASKED WITH.
THEY HAVE A TERRIBLE JOB TO DEAL WITH ON A LOT OF DAYS, BUT THEY DO A GOOD JOB WITH THAT. AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT OVERALL, YOU SAY, WELL, LET'S GIVE THEM THAT LITTLE BUMP. HOWEVER, LIKE I SAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AGAIN IN A YEAR OR TWO AND SAY, OKAY, IS THE GAP GETTING TOO LARGE AT SOME POINT? AND WE'LL MAKE THAT DECISION THEN. BUT AT LEAST RIGHT NOW, I DON'T FEEL THAT WE ARE. I THINK WE'RE STILL IN PLACE. EVEN IF WE DO THE 3.5, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN IN A YEAR.
WELL, MICHELLE AND CHIEF DAVIS TALKED ABOUT THIS AFTERNOON, CORRECT? THEY'RE DOING THAT ANALYSIS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE NUMBERS. I SPOKE WITH CHIEF DAVIS AT LENGTH TO TODAY. I'VE SPOKE WITH SOME OF THE OTHER PARTIES INVOLVED PREVIOUS. I KIND OF ASKED HIM IF IT WOULD BE OKAY IF I KIND OF PUT THEM ON THE SPOT THIS AFTERNOON FOR ANY OF YOU GUYS THAT MISSED THAT BECAUSE MAYBE YOU'RE WORKING OR UNABLE TO ATTEND OR SEE IT. BUT IT WAS GOOD CONVERSATION. A LOT OF IT KIND OF, AS ROGER ALLUDED TO, WENT A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE'RE DIRECTLY TALKING ABOUT HERE. BUT IT WAS GOOD CONVERSATION OVERALL TO HAVE AND HOW OUR POLICE FORCE IS PROGRESSING AND IN THE LIFE CYCLES OF SOME OF THE DIFFERENT POSITIONS AND THINGS. I ORIGINALLY I THOUGHT WE WERE. WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE TABLING OF THE FIRST ONE, I MISUNDERSTOOD. I THOUGHT WE WERE TABLING BOTH TO DO THEM AT THE SAME TIME, WHICH IS FINE, IT'S NOT A HUGE ISSUE.
BUT WE EFFECTIVELY SOUNDS LIKE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD CONSENSUS OF WHAT'S SITUATION IS.
BUT WHEN I WAS TALKING WITH THE CHIEF EARLIER TODAY, HE SAID THAT SOME FOLKS AT PD FELT AS THOUGH COMMENTS MADE IN THE PAST WERE MAYBE NOT RECOGNIZING EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS. SO IT WAS GOOD TODAY TO HAVE HIM COME TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S AWARE OF WHAT IT IS THAT OUR, THE UPPER ECHELONS OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT DO ON A DAILY BASIS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF, YOU KNOW, THEIR JOBS AND HOW MUCH THEY'RE IN THE ACTIVE LINE OF DUTY.
THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, COMMENT WAS MADE THAT HE SAID PEOPLE FELT LIKE SOMEONE HAD MADE, HAD SAID SOMETHING PREVIOUSLY THAT THEY WERE ALL DESK JOBS AND THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT THE CASE.
THAT ARE OUR OFFICERS, YOU KNOW, DO HAVE A LARGE NEED TO HAVE OVERSIGHT BY MANAGEMENT AND WE HAVE A GOOD CREW OF FOLKS THAT ARE OUT THERE WORKING HARD EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THEIR LIFE ON THE LINE TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY.
ONE BIG DIFFERENCE TOO THAT REALLY STRUCK WITH ME IS THESE ARE GAME TIME DECISIONS, INSTANT DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN A LOT OF OTHER DECISIONS THAT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO RED FLAG, THERE'S NO CHALLENGE. WE CAN'T REPLAY 90 DAYS TO FIGURE IT OUT. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE INVOLVED AND THAT REALLY STRUCK WITH ME TODAY WHEN HE SAID THAT. AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT AND I'M GLAD I'M THESE ARE TOUGH DECISIONS SITTING UP HERE, BUT THOSE ARE DIFFERENT DECISIONS. SO I'M GLAD I'M NOT MAKING THOSE, BUT WE APPRECIATE YOU GUYS DOING IT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISHING TO MAKE A COMMENT? YEAH, COME ON UP.
COME ON UP. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I HAVE TO SAY I AM DIANE WILLIAMS, AND MY HUSBAND WAS A POLICEMAN A LONG TIME AGO, AND I HAVE TO SAY POLICE ARE UNDERPAID, AND I WAS A CLERK WORKING FOR THE GOVERNMENT, AND I WAS MAKING MORE MONEY THAN MY HUSBAND WAS AS A POLICE OFFICER WITH THE THOUGHTS OF BEING SHOT SOME NIGHT. SO I HAVE TO SAY PAY THEM MORE.
THANK YOU. WE WISH WE COULD PAY
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MORE AS WELL. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.[8.C) Resolution 26-237 Resolution approving and adopting an ADA Transition Plan for Facilities in Public Right-of-Way for the City of Council Bluffs, Iowa, and authorizing its implementation]
AS AMENDED, SO MOVED.ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
RESOLUTION 26, 237, A RESOLUTION APPROVING AND ADOPTING AN ADA TRANSITION PLAN.
[8.D) Resolution 26-238 Resolution authorizing execution of a 28E Agreement between Lewis Central Community School District and City of Council Bluffs, Iowa for a School Resource Officer Program. ]
MOTION TO APPROVE.RESOLUTION 26, 238, A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF A 28E AGREEMENT WITH LEWIS CENTRAL SCHOOL DISTRICT.
ANY DISCUSSION? I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY I THINK THE RESOURCE OFFICERS DOWN THERE DO A GREAT JOB, REALLY IMPORTANT JOB WITH THESE KIDS AND DEALING WITH THAT EACH DAY. AND I THINK THEY DO A NICE JOB WITH WHAT THEY'RE TASKED TO DO. IT'S NOT EASY SOMETIMES WHAT THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH AND WHAT THEY SEE. SO APPRECIATE ALL THEIR WORK AS WELL.
SO LEWIS CENTRAL HAS NOT HAD AN SRO PREVIOUSLY. SO THIS IS A NEW ONE COMING
[8.E) Resolution 26-239 Resolution Approving an Updated Business Associate Agreement Between the City of Council Bluffs and Jennie Edmundson Memorial Hospital. ]
IN THAT THEY ARE PAYING FOR FOR THE NINE MONTHS WITH BENEFITS.YEAH, WELL, WHILE SCHOOL'S IN SESSION.
YEP. ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
RESOLUTION 2639, A RESOLUTION APPROVING AND UP AN UPDATED BUSINESS ASSOCIATE AGREEMENT WITH THE JENNY EDMONDSON HOSPITAL.
[8.F) Resolution 26-240 Resolution approving the bid of Carley Construction, LLC for the Hillcrest Avenue Reconstruction, Phase II. Project # PW26-14]
MOTION TO APPROVE.IS THERE A DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
RESOLUTION 26, 240. A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE BID OF CARLEY CONSTRUCTION FOR THE HILL AVENUE RECONSTRUCTION PHASE TWO.
[8.G) Resolution 26-241 Resolution Authorizing a Lease Agreement with L & T Properties, LLC]
MOTION TO APPROVE.IS THERE A DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.
RESOLUTION 26, 241. A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING LEASE AGREEMENT WITH T L AND T PROPERTIES LLC.
IS THERE A DISCUSSION? I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY I APPRECIATE LARRY AND TERRY DOING THIS WITH THE CITY AND. AND CAME TO AN AGREEMENT TO HELP THEM, AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT SITUATION FOR EVERYBODY. I APPRECIATE ALL THEIR WORK WITH COUNCIL BLOFFS. THEY'VE
[8.H) Resolution 26-242 Resolution authorizing the Mayor of Council Bluffs to enter into and execute a Collective Bargaining Agreement with the Communication Workers of America Clerical and Technical Employees]
BEEN A GREAT ASSET TO US.ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE APPROVED OR.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.
RESOLUTION 26, 242, A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO ENTER INTO AND EXECUTE A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT WITH CWA COMMUNICATION WORKERS OF AMERICA CLERICAL AND TECHNICAL EMPLOYEES.
[8.I) Resolution 26-243 Resolution directing the department of Community Development to conduct a zoning audit concerning the regulation of data centers in the City of Council Bluffs, Iowa]
MOTION TO APPROVE.RESOLUTION 26, 243. 243. A RESOLUTION DIRECTING THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO CONDUCT A ZONING AUDIT CONCERNING THE REGULATIONS OF DATA CENTERS OF COUNCIL BLUFF.
IS THERE A DISCUSSION? I'LL JUST SAY WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION. DISCUSSION ALSO ABOUT THIS AT STUDY SESSION THIS AFTERNOON IN REGARDS TO WHETHER THE RESOLUTION IS NECESSARY TO GET WHAT WE WANTED TO GET DONE FROM OUR FIRST MEETING. SO ESSENTIALLY, THIS IS KIND OF DIRECTING STAFF TO DO WHAT WE HAD ALREADY KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IN OUR FIRST MEETING LAST TIME IN A FORMAL WAY, WE'LL SAY, SO THAT WE CAN KEEP MOVING, OF COURSE, WITH THESE PROCESSES AND MAKE SURE THAT THE CONCERNS THAT THE PEOPLE ARE BRINGING UP ARE ADDRESSED. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITHOUT SHUTTING THINGS DOWN COMPLETELY.
SO JUST CLARIFICATION. THIS IS MY. MYSELF AND COUNCILMAN DESALVO INTRODUCED THIS. THIS IS BASICALLY DIRECTING CHRIS AND TO KIND OF WITHIN 90 DAYS, COME BACK TO US WITH A REPORT ON ANALYZING WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE REGARDING DATA CENTERS TO WHEN WE THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE ADVERSE EFFECTS TO OUR RESIDENTS LIKE THAT AND WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE AND TO KIND OF GET. GET BACK TO US WITHIN 90 DAYS ON THAT.
HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE BEFORE 90 DAYS, BUT THAT WAS WHAT THE.
THAT WAS THE TIMEFRAME THAT WE AGREED ON. SO THAT THIS IS JUST KIND OF, AGAIN, WHAT DOUG SAID.
WE KIND OF ALL UNANIMOUSLY AGREED THAT THAT WAS THE DIRECTION WE WANTED TO GO AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING. AND THIS IS JUST PUTTING IT IN FORMAL WRITING, FORMALLY DIRECTING THEM TO BEGIN TO DO THIS RESEARCH AND COME BACK TO US WITH THOUGHTS AND SUGGESTIONS ON THAT.
YEAH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL ARRIVE AT SOME POSSIBLE OPTIONS GOING FORWARD, WHAT THINGS WE CAN DO AND STEPS WE CAN TAKE WITHIN OUR ZONING CODE TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP. KEEP SOME OF THESE THINGS
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UNDER WRAPS AND. AND GO FORWARD IN A. YEAH, WE WANT TO WAIT FOR EVERYBODY.CORRECT FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS AND FOR MOVING OUR CITY FORWARD.
SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. I DO JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. SO THE STAFF WILL LOOK WITHIN 90 DAYS TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION.
HOWEVER, IT DOES NOT STOP ANY NEW BUILDS OR ANYBODY NEW COMING IN. ANYBODY FROM. IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY SPOKEN ON THIS TOPIC. ANYBODY ELSE WISHING IT'S A FAIR QUESTION TO ASK ARE YOU FOUR MORE DATA CENTERS OR NOT? I KNOW THE MAYOR'S AGAINST IT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE CAN'T DO THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. I UNDERSTAND WE'RE IN A FORMAL MEETING THOUGH AND SO BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE FOR DATA CENTERS HERE.
GUYS, WE, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A MEETING.
IT'S NOT TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL YOU CAN COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
ARTHUR KOY 21327 ASHWOOD LANE, COUNCIL BLUFF 51503 RIGHT BEFORE COMING HERE THERE WAS A NEWS CLIP ON KTV ABOUT DATA CENTERS. ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO FOLLOW THE LEAD AT SCOTTS COUNTY WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A PROPOSING AN 18 MONTH HOLD. IF WE CAN'T COME UP WITH ANY CLEAR CUT ANSWERS OR POTENTIAL ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS THAT ARE COMING UP RIGHT NOW.
I THINK WE ALL. THIS RESOLUTION IS DIRECTING STAFF TO ADDRESS SAME CONCERNS YOU GUYS HAVE. I THINK THAT'S WHERE ALL OF US ARE. WE ALL HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS. WE'RE NOT STOPPING ANYTHING THAT'S ALREADY GOING ON WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE CONCERNS.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT YOU GUYS THREW IN A 90 DAY WINDOW TO COME UP WITH SOME ANSWERS.
CASS COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION IS THROWING 18 MONTH MEMORANDUM OUT THERE TO PUT IT ON HOLD SO THEY CAN COME UP WITH SOME LEGIT ANSWERS TO THEIR CITIZENS CONCERNS. I'M ASKING ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO GIVE US THAT SAME OPPORTUNITY FOR THE LAST. HOW LONG HAS THAT CENTER BEEN GOING ON? 10 YEARS? 2007. GOOGLE IS OUR NEXT NEIGHBOR RIGHT NOW. WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THAT ISSUE FOR YEARS.
ARTHUR, THAT VOTES ALREADY HAPPENED.
AND IT WAS A 50 VOTE AGAINST THE MORATORIUM AT THIS POINT. WE'VE ASKED STAFF TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE THAT YOU HAVE THAT ALL CITIZENS HAVE.
BUT WE HAVE NOT PUT A MORATORIUM IN PLACE THAT WAS VOTED DOWN.
AT THIS POINT IT'S WORTH MENTIONING AS WELL. THE MORATORIUM WOULD HAVE AS DISCUSSED WOULD HAVE NOT STOPPED ANY OF THE CURRENT PROJECTS, ANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED. EVEN THOUGH THE CITIZENS OF POTTS COUNTY.
LISTEN FOR ONE MOMENT. LET ME FINISH MY STATEMENT IF YOU WOULD. AS, AS ONE OF OUR OUR LEGAL FOLKS HAD DISCUSSED SECTION SIX OF THAT MORATORIUM. ANY I BELIEVE THEY SAID ANYTHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED, ANYTHING MIGHT BE DISCUSSED, ANYTHING THAT MAY HAVE WHISPERED ABOUT BEING COMING INTO FRUITION. SO ANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING OR UNDER OPTION OR WHERE THERE'S BEEN MEETINGS WITH THE CITY THAT WOULD HAVE NOT. IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN LIKE A CEASE AND DESIST TO THOSE FOLKS OR THOSE PROJECTS YET.
COUNCILMAN DECEL, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY BECAUSE THERE ARE NEW PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED.
THAT IT WOULD HAVE STOPPED AND THAT'S WHAT THE PROJECT THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY SPEAKING ABOUT DOWN ON THE FARM. SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAS NOT ALREADY SPOKEN ON THIS TOPIC.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.
JUST SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE THAT THAT VOTE IS NOT FOR DATA CENTERS. THAT VOTE IS TO RESEARCH. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.
YES, IT IS A COMMUNITY IMPACT AGREEMENT IS WHAT WE'RE FOR LOOKING. LOOKING TO GET.
[8.J) Resolution 26-244 Resolution creating two new full-time Utility Worker II positions within the Public Works Department.]
FOR DATA CENTER. JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.RESOLUTION CREATING TWO NEW FULL TIME UTILITY WORKER,
[8.K) Resolution 26-245 Resolution abolishing one Traffic Engineer position and creating one new full-time Traffic Signal Technician position within the Public Works Department.]
TWO POSITIONS WITHIN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AY.
RESOLUTION ABOLISHING ONE TRAFFIC ENGINEER POSITION AND CREATING ONE NEW FULL TIME TRAFFIC SIGNAL POSITION.
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SECOND.ANY DISCUSSION? I JUST GOING TO SAY I WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT AGAIN TO MATT COX, DEPARTMENT HEAD OF PUBLIC WORKS FOR COMING BACK TO THIS AND GETTING A CORRECT POSITION IN PLACE RATHER THAN JUST MOVING FORWARD WITH WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE.
[8.L) Resolution 26-246 Resolution confirming the appointment of Michell Houseton in the position of Director of Human Resources for the City of Council Bluffs]
WHICH IS A GOOD COST SAVINGS.CORRECT. COST SAVINGS TO THE CITY.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? I OPPOSED.
RESOLUTION 26, 246. A RESOLUTION CONFIRMING THE APPOINTMENT OF MICHELLE HOUSTON IN THE POSITION OF DIRECTOR OF HR.
[8.M) Resolution 26-247 Resolution approving a Professional Services Agreement with Eide Walton, LLC for state legislative representation and government relations services and authorizing the Mayor to execute the Agreement]
MOTION TO APPROVE.IS THERE A DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
RESOLUTION 26. 247. A RESOLUTION APPROVING A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH WALTON LLC FOR LEGISLATIVE REPRESENTATION.
IS THERE A DISCUSSION? I'D JUST LIKE YOU TO LOOK INTO.
HOW HAVING THE SHARED COST AND SEE IF COUNTY OR THE AGREEMENT WITH I.D. WALTON COULD BE AMENDED TO INCLUDE IOWA IN THE COUNTY.
IF THEY'RE INTERESTED. I THINK IT'S WORTH HAVING A DISCUSSION.
[8.N) Resolution 26-248 Resolution authorizing the City Clerk to certify assessments against properties to the Pottawattamie County Treasurer for unreimbursed costs incurred by the City for the abatement of weeds and the removal of solid waste nuisances upon properties and directing them to be collected in the same manner as a propertytax.]
DISCUSSION AND YOU'LL GET BACK TO US ON THAT ONCE YOU'VE.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.
RESOLUTION 26. 248. A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY CLERK TO CERTIFY ASSESSMENTS AGAINST PROPERTIES FOR WEEDS AND SOLID WASTE NUISANCES.
[8.O) Resolution 26-249 Resolution confirming the Mayor's appointment of Rodney Schultz as Chief Building Official and head of the Building Division for the City of Council Bluffs]
SECOND.RESOLUTION 26249. A RESOLUTION CONFIRMING MAYOR'S APPOINTMENT OF RODNEY SCHULTZ AS CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL AND HEAD OF THE BUILDING DIVISION FOR THE CITY OF COUNCIL BLUFF.
IS THERE A DISCUSSION? JUST SOMETHING THAT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS. COME IN WHERE THEY'RE USED TO GOING THROUGH PLANNING. WHERE RODNEY WAS CORRECT OR WAS HE IN PUBLIC WORKS? SO NO DESCRIPT JOB CHANGES ARE HAPPENING AT ALL. HE IS JUST HIS OWN STANDALONE DEPARTMENT.
SO IF YOU REPORTED TO RODNEY FOR A PROJECT, YOU STILL GO THROUGH HIM. AND IT'S NO CHANGE THERE. EXCEPT HE'S HIS OWN LITTLE DEAL.
HE REPORTS TO JILL NOW INSTEAD OF REPORTING TO CHRIS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
[8.P) Resolution 26-250 Resolution authorizing a Construction Staging Area Lease Agreement between the City of Council Bluffs and First Avenue Freeze Out, LLC]
HE HAS TIME CARDS TO SIGN OFF ON. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OPPOSED.RESOLUTION 26250. A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING A CONSTRUCTION STAGING AREA WITH FIRST AVENUE FREEZE OUT LLC.
[8.Q) Resolution 26-251 Resolution approving and authorizing execution of an Amended and Restated Agreement for Private Development by and between the City of Council Bluffs and Cornerstone CB Power Drive Partners LP. ]
MOTION TO APPROVE.IS THERE A DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
RESOLUTION 26 251. A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF AN AMENDED AND RESTATED AGREEMENT FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF COUNCILOR AND CORNERSTONE CB POWER DRIVE.
MADAM CLERK, I'LL HAVE TO ABSTAIN FROM THIS ROLL CALL.
[9.A) Retail Tobacco Permit Renewal (2)]
[9.B) Liquor License Renewals 1. Ameristar Casino, 2200 River Rd. 2. Ameristar Casino, 2200 River Rd. - Outdoor Area 3. Caddy's Kitchen And Cocktails, 103 W Broadway 4. Dusty’s Lounge, 1501 Ave. A5. Mega Saver, 3607 9th Ave. 6. Pilot Travel Center, 2647 S 24th St. 7. Puerto Vallarta Mexican Restaurant, 3312 W Broadway 8. Streetside Lounge, 319 N 16th St.9. Valentino Family Market, 2543 2nd Ave. (NEW)10. Walgreens #03700, 535 E Broadway 11. Walgreens #04405, 2508 W Broadway 12. Walgreens #05306, 301 W Bennett Ave. ]
ROGER SANDAU.APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS AND CANCELLATIONS, 9A AND 9B, 1 THROUGH 12.
MADAM CLERK, ANY OTHER CITY COUNCIL ACTION ITEMS? I HAVE NONE.
ANY OTHER BUSINESS? ALL RIGHT.
I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THEM.
OPPOSED? AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.